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 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
RE: Dorn, per the novel Space Marine by Ian Watson his skeleton is mounted in the Fist's fortress monastery and chapter masters inscribe their names on his bones when they take office.

So if he's alive he must be really pissed.

Those are just the bones of his hand. Not his entire skeleton. His body was not found. So as far as we know he is still hiding, captured or wandering around and going by the name "Stumpy" now.

I reread the book this summer it's his whole body as of 1990 or so. If they only have the hands now then maybe they misplaced the rest. Did they look under the sofa cushions?

 reds8n wrote:
However since the publication of the HH series the Index Astartes articles are no longer strict canon -- insomuchas anything is strict with regards to GW blah blah etc etc -- but that series has, allbeit obliquely , hinted towards his death with things like Kurze's vision and the like.

That's true but, big but, Curze's visions seem to be one version of events, he doesn't seem to see other outcomes like Ahriman or Erebus. Perhaps in the Curze timeline Dorn does die, but for Dorn's own story he's dragged off with the Sacrilege. You could then argue that all of Curze's visions came to pass, but they were self fulfilled visions. Curze could have decided to change his course of action any time.

The quote from the IA says

They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege before it could flee and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn. His engraved skeletal hand continues to be maintained in stasis, their holiest icon, and serves as a constant reminder of the commitment expected of a Space Marine.

It's a bit ambiguous and I guess can be read a couple of ways. His hand was all that was recovered and is kept in stasis or there were more remains but only his hand is kept in stasis.

Just hoping they come with a Thousand Sons codex. Imagine the legions having their own codexes...

RoboDragon wrote:
Just hoping they come with a Thousand Sons codex. Imagine the legions having their own codexes...

The leaked packaging pic for Magnus shows his faction as Thousand sons, so a codex is probably a safe bet.

Nvs wrote:
As far as 40k goes, I just want something official to show that only Ahriman's sect chose Blue and Gold and the rest of the Thousand Sons are still red. I know it's in the novels, but that's not canon.

With HH, the Thousand Sons were mostly a Mk3 army right? Mk4 didn't come out until the HH was in full swing after Prospero was destroyed?

The novels are just as canon as everything else.

Nvs wrote:
As far as 40k goes, I just want something official to show that only Ahriman's sect chose Blue and Gold and the rest of the Thousand Sons are still red. I know it's in the novels, but that's not canon.

With HH, the Thousand Sons were mostly a Mk3 army right? Mk4 didn't come out until the HH was in full swing after Prospero was destroyed?

Mk4 was introduced just before the Heresy, so most legions would have had a mix of marks. In the case of the 1k sons, having a legion confined to there home system would be an excellent chance for an extensive resupply.

Nvs wrote:
As far as 40k goes, I just want something official to show that only Ahriman's sect chose Blue and Gold and the rest of the Thousand Sons are still red. I know it's in the novels, but that's not canon.

With HH, the Thousand Sons were mostly a Mk3 army right? Mk4 didn't come out until the HH was in full swing after Prospero was destroyed?

In the book. Battle of the Fang about 1000 years after the heresy, and the remnants of the Thousand Sons being led by Magnus to attack the Space Wolves are blue.


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 BloodGrin wrote:

Nvs wrote:
As far as 40k goes, I just want something official to show that only Ahriman's sect chose Blue and Gold and the rest of the Thousand Sons are still red. I know it's in the novels, but that's not canon.

With HH, the Thousand Sons were mostly a Mk3 army right? Mk4 didn't come out until the HH was in full swing after Prospero was destroyed?

In the book. Battle of the Fang about 1000 years after the heresy, and the remnants of the Thousand Sons being led by Magnus to attack the Space Wolves are blue.

Your best bet is to just go with a random warband if you want to run pre-heresy in 40k

Chikout wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
Plastic Magnus and Plastic Rubrics are great, but they will need to add some special Thousand Sons terminators or something to get me to go all in with this, so I really hope the above is true.

Sad Panda is never wrong, so thousand son terminators are definitely coming. I am more curious if they will go straight from 30k to 40k thousand sons or if there will be and Aos filled pause in the middle. There are four weeks between prospero and the rumoured bloodbowl preorder, which is plenty of time for a major release.

I keep getting this sinking feeling that the terminator comment was just giving a hypothetical example and there are no rubric terminators coming. The worse part is that if there are no rubrics a lot of people out there may feel like they were decieved, when it was just wishful thinking gotten out of hand.

I know im being pessemistic, but its the CSM player in me. I may try as hard as i can to be optimistic, but I always have that feeling GW will crap on us.

It'd be a shame. If the four main Legions could get Cult Terminators and Cult Troopers, a set of each, that would be fantastic.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Nvs wrote:
As far as 40k goes, I just want something official to show that only Ahriman's sect chose Blue and Gold and the rest of the Thousand Sons are still red. I know it's in the novels, but that's not canon.

With HH, the Thousand Sons were mostly a Mk3 army right? Mk4 didn't come out until the HH was in full swing after Prospero was destroyed?

Mk4 was introduced just before the Heresy, so most legions would have had a mix of marks. In the case of the 1k sons, having a legion confined to there home system would be an excellent chance for an extensive resupply.

The ones who are "serving" in/with the Black Legion are often/sometimes painted in that colour scheme.



.... quite where the traitor legions get all this paint from is either A. not worth worrying about or B the real reason why they're forced to do so many raids into the Imperium.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Hasn't Magnus the red showed up previously in fluff battles - could they not be exploring older stuff like they have been doing with the Beast Arises?

He's even been on the tabletop!

 Azazelx wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Hasn't Magnus the red showed up previously in fluff battles - could they not be exploring older stuff like they have been doing with the Beast Arises?

He's even been on the tabletop!

That was back in his wild, carefree, younger days. He's had a shave since then and wears more clothes. Now he sits behind his desk and fills out the TPS reports, like a good employee.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

The miniature is not awesome for everybody. I, for one, prefer small models like scions and skitarii, among the new(ish) ones. This focus on big models do not suit me and, as a customer, I have all the rights to do not like it (and to state it in a forum dedicated to wargaming. Complains about my rants concerning the underprincing of Eldar units I posted in four different gardening forums are more than justified).

You don't have to like it. But then, I don't have to care what you think or like or what "suits" you. And I don't.
The biggest difference, I think is that I don't think GW needs to care what I think. I buy what I like and I leave what I dislike.

Roll on, 40k Daemon Primarchs, Zoats, Ambulls, Sororitas, Squats and the rest of the old/ignored lore making a comeback! We've gotten AdMech, Knights, Genestealer Cult, Deathwatch, Custodes and Sisters... I want more.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

RoboDragon wrote:
Just hoping they come with a Thousand Sons codex. Imagine the legions having their own codexes...

The leaked packaging pic for Magnus shows his faction as Thousand sons, so a codex is probably a safe bet.

*tapw nose knowingly*

Juts need an ETA then.

pepsuber wrote:
Juts need an ETA then.

There are three weeks between prospero and bloodbowl. Perfect length of time for a codex plus minis.

Azazelx wrote:

You don't have to like it. But then, I don't have to care what you think or like or what "suits" you. And I don't.
The biggest difference, I think is that I don't think GW needs to care what I think. I buy what I like and I leave what I dislike.

Did I miss something? Are you two arguing about something? If not, can't that be said for everyone who posts? After all we are on a discussion forum where everyone posts what they think. Otherwise why would Dakka exist then?

Also if GW doesn't care what we like, was Kirby right in we just buy what ever GW wants and we like it? Of course GW should know what we like and if we don't why not so they can become better. Again you just have proved Kirby right in that they don't have to do market research.

Do you guys think the thousand son marines will look different? Their poses etc will obviously be updated but I wonder if their actual design will be changed

RoboDragon wrote:
Do you guys think the thousand son marines will look different? Their poses etc will obviously be updated but I wonder if their actual design will be changed

From the blurry image seen thus far, the helmets look much the same, but they're pretty iconic and I wouldn't have expected to see much change there. I wonder about the comment that Jes Goodwin made in the last White Dwarf, about how he associates TS with Mk IV armor, maybe we'll see them tying CSM closer to pre-heresy armor designs, as and when they do new kits. The most recent power armored CSM kits are the DV CSM and Raptors, IIRC, for monopose and multipart, and those are both a good few years old. It'll be interesting to see what their current ideas about CSM rank and file infantry are like, even in such a specialized unit.

That would be really cool. I would love to see the Chaos Marines really differentiate from the loyalists outside of horns and spikes.

From Faeit, YMMV
via anonymous readers
about the new Magnus model,
who off the cuff mentioned that I'd want to buy two copies of the kit, as
it's apparently a dual Magnus/Lord of Change kit.



I actually really hope this isn't true, thought it may be judging by his feet if anything... I really hope they don't make Magnus a LOC with a human head and vice versa, they each deserve their own dedicated design imho.

That's untrue per Sad Panda.

There are a few boxes that came out lately that shared sprues with one another - Skarbrand and the Bloodthirster box had a shared sprue. So it's likely one of the Magnus sprues will exist in the same box as the future Lord of Change model.

Magnus may not be a dual kit with a LoC, but I would be very disappointed if a sprue or 2 wasn't shared with a LoC kit that should coincide with this release.

Good news! For me, at least. Looks like there's another head option to make an actual cyclops Magnus, like he's supposed to be. And an option for a sword in the left hand.
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1330

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Good news! For me, at least. Looks like there's another head option to make an actual cyclops Magnus, like he's supposed to be. And an option for a sword in the left hand.
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1330

Yes, we know...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/707486.page#9004218

Magnus is a nice model, but for the chest horns. And that horrid head. They could have gone with pharaohs headress, AKA
Tutankhamun headress.

Requizen wrote:
There are a few boxes that came out lately that shared sprues with one another - Skarbrand and the Bloodthirster box had a shared sprue. So it's likely one of the Magnus sprues will exist in the same box as the future Lord of Change model.

If a future LoC did share a sprue, would that not make it huge? I can't see which sprue could be used without resulting in a massive model.

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

Requizen wrote:
There are a few boxes that came out lately that shared sprues with one another - Skarbrand and the Bloodthirster box had a shared sprue. So it's likely one of the Magnus sprues will exist in the same box as the future Lord of Change model.

If a future LoC did share a sprue, would that not make it huge? I can't see which sprue could be used without resulting in a massive model.

Through the miracle of computers they can shrink the sprue down for the lord of change. I could see them using the same wings over again which would mean the same spear/staff.

 Theophony wrote:
Through the miracle of computers they can shrink the sprue down for the lord of change. I could see them using the same wings over again which would mean the same spear/staff.

Ah, cunning! However, they'd still need to cut a new mold for it which would presumably negate the biggest benefit of reusing a sprue. Then again maybe that isn't a big disincentive. I know it used to be massively expensive to do but I've no idea if it's cheaper these days.