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 Azreal13 wrote:
Atia has front paged both, normally she remains silent on leaks that aren't true, or actively discredits them.

Additionally, in the comments, she suggests that "you'll mostly just want the books for fluff."

I assume that's an implication they'll be invalid soon.

Entirely possible, but it could also mean the rules are awful, or that they aren't much of a change from what we have or there are just very little of them.

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
Please let that Traitor Legions book be real.... please!!!

No doubt they'll give Alpha Legion rules that don't work at all for my terminator army I'm building... maybe I should hold off on painting new models until some more light is shed on this

Dont worry, We're Alpha Legion, we'll just use another Legions Detachment...

I am trying very hard to maintain a cynical skepticism, we've been hurt before by hope, my brothers, it's entirely possible that either the legion rules are crap and the 1ksons' cool units are all from Fenris 2, or that they got all the attention in the traitor legions book and the others were left behind

It's a supplement, and we all know how bad the core 'dex is, so there are things that won't be fixed until a new base codex is released.

That said...

HOLY CRAP CODEX: (supplement) TRAITOR LEGIONS IS FINALLY HAPPENING

Zatsuku wrote:


Entirely possible, but it could also mean the rules are awful, or that they aren't much of a change from what we have or there are just very little of them.

I can live with weak chapter tactics as long as it provides some benefit. Back in 4th when Index Astartes came out I used 7 troop choices in my 1500 point Word Bearers army just because it was unique to my own sub-faction and I could. Even if AL chapter tactics was just a -1 to enemy reserves (nothing else) I'd be satisfied because I'd given up hope of CSM getting our own chapter tactics

I can't wait to read the speculation of what this book is going to include

 commander dante wrote:

Dont worry, We're Alpha Legion, we'll just use another Legions Detachment...

That's what I'm secretly hoping for

http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/19/this-december-all-is-dust-and-loads-of-new-books/

i dont see anybody have posted this, i might be just blind.

http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/19/this-december-all-is-dust-and-loads-of-new-books/

I need leaks now.



Pretty please

Those look like some fairly thick books. Indeed, Traitor Legions looks to be double the thinkness of Angels of Death, which is odd given that it's rumoured to only be about 10 pages longer.


Hopefully the Apocypha books aren't as badly done as the last one with cut off sentences, paragraphs and articles.

Getting all these leaks weeks in advance is murder. I want to know. I want to know. IwanttoknowIwanttoknowIwantoknowIwa... *insanity*

Thommy H wrote:

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Adeptus Arbites. They had rules back in the Witch Hunters book and a shotgun wielding, carapace wearing unit would be pretty unique, not to mention the riot shields and shock mauls.

Militarum Tempestus also seems likely, since they were always a mini-codex anyway.

Ok...
What?

How does that book even WORK then?

I mean, there should be at least the new 1ksons units, right?
And then each of the legions needs its own unique units, right? wrong?
Except black legion already got their book in traitor's hate?
And you pretty much have world eaters in the Khorne Deamonkin if you inject Kharn into it?


And that by the picture of the army the 1ksons army will be mashed up with Tdeamons, so this book can't just be a pile of formations like the formation part of Angels of Death, especially given that CSM legions currently have no rules separating them so they need more than formations to be unique.



Just what IS that supplement?! FFS I have no idea what to expect here.

Index Imperialis with the Original Codex Titanicus artwork on the front. Interesting...

Dear diary, that book was fat!

It's true, the traitor's, the agents, all of it....

The paragraph that references the army picture only talks about Wrath of Magnus, not Traitor Legions.

No doubt Traitor Legions is just Formations and all that while Wrath of Magnus contains the TSon/Daemons cross stuff.

It's also possible that we'll get our first multi-faction Decurion Detachment.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Adeptus Arbites. They had rules back in the Witch Hunters book and a shotgun wielding, carapace wearing unit would be pretty unique, not to mention the riot shields and shock mauls.

Militarum Tempestus also seems likely, since they were always a mini-codex anyway.

I'd almost be tempted to say ditch the Astropaths, as they're going to be in an Agent's retinue at best - maybe also the Sisters of Silence. Tempestus return to fill the Inquisitorial storm trooper role, and Imperial Knights fill the empty slot.
Arbites would be amazing, especially with Genestealer cults and Chaos cultists about, but think even with new GW it'd be a push for the codex to come out before the models do - and other models in the book being the SoB.

I think at least? Having models in the book a month or two before release would go against the old policy completely...

Thommy H wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


(EDIT: Actually I am pretty certain this rumour is true, I just recently scratchbuilt three inquisitors. It is a surefire way to guarantee that a new codex will be released and the equipment choices of the converted models are rendered obsolete.)

Ha, yes, I'm in the same boat - I've just started working on my Sisters/Inquisition/general Imperial Agents army after a long break from them. In a way, a single supplement would be really great for the project, but I just think some of the details in the quoted text sound a little off.

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Legion of the Damned?

 monkeypuzzle wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


(EDIT: Actually I am pretty certain this rumour is true, I just recently scratchbuilt three inquisitors. It is a surefire way to guarantee that a new codex will be released and the equipment choices of the converted models are rendered obsolete.)

Ha, yes, I'm in the same boat - I've just started working on my Sisters/Inquisition/general Imperial Agents army after a long break from them. In a way, a single supplement would be really great for the project, but I just think some of the details in the quoted text sound a little off.

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Legion of the Damned?

Them or tempests scions... This is awesome!

Tastyfish wrote:

Arbites would be amazing, especially with Genestealer cults and Chaos cultists about, but think even with new GW it'd be a push for the codex to come out before the models do - and other models in the book being the SoB.

I think at least? Having models in the book a month or two before release would go against the old policy completely...

With the return of Specialist Games, it's possible they'd bring out ye olde Enforcer from Necromunda models for them. They've aged very well.

Half of the Inquisitor's potential retinue are OOP as well I think.

Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Since ever.

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).
Apart from a couple, Purtarbo and Lorgar, I don't think they've really been that quiet - it just takes a particularly virulent season of warp storms for them to be able to manifest somewhere, and can take centuries for them to recover from a loss in the material world.

They're a far cry away from the genuinely missing or dead loyalists.

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).

true, but if the rumors are correct, then we are going to see some loyalist primarchs come back which will definitely be a big shift

I can only stand that much awesomeness GW !
Plz stop be awesome ! I don't have illimited money !

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).
Apart from a couple, Purtarbo and Lorgar, I don't think they've really been that quiet - it just takes a particularly virulent season of warp storms for them to be able to manifest somewhere, and can take centuries for them to recover from a loss in the material world.

They're a far cry away from the genuinely missing or dead loyalists.

I thought it was the First War of Armageddon that was against Chaos (Angron)

i thought the 2nd and 3rd were against Orks?

Images like that are digital mockups not photos. Don't trust the spine width.

LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).

true, but if the rumors are correct, then we are going to see some loyalist primarchs come back which will definitely be a big shift

Particularly as most have 30K era models from Forgeworld. Russ coming back a monster, and another (Lion/Vulkan/Guilleman) coming back as an angelic/Celestant Prime type character would make sense - but not sure they'd update the full set as if nothing happened.
That's assuming they all stay loyal...afterall, the Druchii were vindicated when Malekith turned out to be the true Phoenix King after all.

[edit]1st war was against chaos - but he was more part of the prequel Atlar of War type scearios in the article I linked.

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).

true, but if the rumors are correct, then we are going to see some loyalist primarchs come back which will definitely be a big shift

Particularly as most have 30K era models from Forgeworld. Russ coming back a monster, and another (Lion/Vulkan/Guilleman) coming back as an angelic/Celestant Prime type character would make sense - but not sure they'd update the full set as if nothing happened.
That's assuming they all stay loyal...afterall, the Druchii were vindicated when Malekith turned out to be the true Phoenix King after all.

You mean Russ would come back as a Wulfen or something?

 BoomWolf wrote:
Ok...
What?

How does that book even WORK then?

I mean, there should be at least the new 1ksons units, right?
And then each of the legions needs its own unique units, right? wrong?
Except black legion already got their book in traitor's hate?
And you pretty much have world eaters in the Khorne Deamonkin if you inject Kharn into it?


And that by the picture of the army the 1ksons army will be mashed up with Tdeamons, so this book can't just be a pile of formations like the formation part of Angels of Death, especially given that CSM legions currently have no rules separating them so they need more than formations to be unique.



Just what IS that supplement?! FFS I have no idea what to expect here.

It would be pretty simple to do - I would guess there will be, say, a Word Bearers Decurion and it has a rule stating all models in it have to be nominated as Legion: Word Bearers. Then you give them special rules based on being Word Bearers, probably some unique Warlord Traits and Relics and possibly some Formations or Psychic Powers that only Word Bearers can take. All the models come from Codex: Chaos Space Marines though. Repeat for the other Traitor Legions.

Traitors Hate is a Generic Chaos Warband - there is nothing in it rules-wise that is specific to the Black Legion. Maybe fluff-wise it fits the Black Legion, but rules wise it's generic to any Chaos force you could theme. Similarly, Khorne Demonkin is *not* about the World Eaters; it is about generic Khorne themed Chaos Warbands that summon Demons of Khorne through their slaughter. The World Eaters were only given a passing mention in the codex.

As much as I like to see CSM finally getting some attention, I can't just shake the sinking sensation that this will be little more than a brutal cash grab, with insanely overpriced models and supplements, and said supplements will have quite a short lifespan if, as rumored, 9th edition arrives shortly after and shakes things up.

I fear too many people will be left severly disappointed in the end.

so reading about Angron and the first war of Armageddon

"He staggered towards Angron, using his force halberd to steady himself as his breath wheezed in his chest. The Grey Knights closed on their leader, forming an impenetrable shield wall around him as they fought their way towards Angron. The Daemon Primarch saw his foe approach and reared up to his full height, bellowing a furious challenge. Lesser mortals might quail before this monster, but Aurellian and the Grey Knights had been steeled to face the worst horrors of Chaos without flinching. Less than two dozen of them were still alive"

it says that a regular gray knight is the same size as Angron thats odd

LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).

true, but if the rumors are correct, then we are going to see some loyalist primarchs come back which will definitely be a big shift

Particularly as most have 30K era models from Forgeworld. Russ coming back a monster, and another (Lion/Vulkan/Guilleman) coming back as an angelic/Celestant Prime type character would make sense - but not sure they'd update the full set as if nothing happened.
That's assuming they all stay loyal...afterall, the Druchii were vindicated when Malekith turned out to be the true Phoenix King after all.

You mean Russ would come back as a Wulfen or something?

Nobody (here, talking) knows. But it'd make sense from a design point of view if they weren't just going to import rules from FW. And I don't think they'd do that because whilst the FW character series are kind of paired up or at least made to look in scale with each other - 30K Russ vs Knight Titan Magnus doesn't look like a fair fight, so if there were new models I think it'd be fairly safe to assume that they've been designed with the whole range in mind. Just trying to photograph an exciting battle between a set of marine characters attacking the ankles of knight sized Daemon Primarchs if going to be difficult - so looking at what they've done for Age of Sigmar, I think we're looking at either Imperial Saints/Mutants paying the cost of 10,000 defying the warp or maybe fancy mounts that might put the wolf sled to shame. I really can't see clampack Leman Russ in just a different pose.

[edit]: Nothing in that sentence compares Angron's height to the grey knights. They got close, Angron stood up and threw his wings back for full bad guy points. Grey Knights aren't intimidated and keep going. Angron is probably big to be intimidating, but no definites here. He's Knight Titan sized in Epic (as is Magnus), but then so are Bloodthirsters modelwise.