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 whembly wrote:

 Galef wrote:
My Tetrad is very sad now, as it may be replace with an Omniscient Oracles formation.

Is it that much of a points difference between the two formation?

If you take 3 Lords of Change it is about 50+pts cheaper for more total wounds, all the FMCs re-roll 1's on their saves and the don't lose the T6 if one dies.
Plus guaranteed Str8 on all the LoCs and re-rolling all To hit & wound rolls.

But since you can take only 2 if you want, it opens up SOOOOO many more possibilities.

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 Galef wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Galef wrote:
My Tetrad is very sad now, as it may be replace with an Omniscient Oracles formation.

Is it that much of a points difference between the two formation?

If you take 3 Lords of Change it is about 50+pts cheaper for more total wounds, all the FMCs re-roll 1's on their saves and the don't lose the T6 if one dies.
Plus guaranteed Str8 on all the LoCs and re-rolling all To hit & wound rolls.

But since you can take only 2 if you want, it opens up SOOOOO many more possibilities.

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I personally wouldn't take that many LoCs, because they only know divination, malefic and change disciplines. Only reason DPs are a better flying shooting platform is because of guarantee shriek and can fish for invis if needed.

But having one LoC with impossible robe is great tho, you can keep him on the ground and use him as a durable beat stick while summoning daemons. Having a second one on the ground might be risky tho since you will need another IC to carry grim to keep him alive. And if you keep him in the air to shoot...I'm not too impress with all the change spells aside from prismatic gaze since a few bad S D6 rolls can ruin some of the spells.

It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

VeteranNoob, can you post pictures of the tzeentch and daemons new tactical objectives?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

Couldn't you take a cheap CAD with Magnus + Omniscient Oracles?

I will say the Scrolls and Helm from the Artefacts look mighty tasty.

Allowing a SnP unit to Overwatch (Flamer Thousand Sons anyone?) is tasty and preventing Deny the Witch rolls if you roll a double is dirty.

 whembly wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

Couldn't you take a cheap CAD with Magnus + Omniscient Oracles?

Easily. In fact, I intend to take a Cad with Magnus and a FULL Omniscient Oracle formation. It's less than 1850.

 whembly wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

Couldn't you take a cheap CAD with Magnus + Omniscient Oracles?

100pt HQ - I don't know what?
10 Tzaangors
10 Tzaangors
Magnus

Fateweaver
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Robes
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Paradox
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------1850pts

Not sure how you can get a "Full" Oracles formation + Magnus at 1850.
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 Galef wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

Couldn't you take a cheap CAD with Magnus + Omniscient Oracles?

100pt HQ - I don't know what?
10 Tzaangors
10 Tzaangors
Magnus

Fateweaver
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Robes
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Paradox
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------1850pts

Not sure how you can get a "Full" Oracles formation + Magnus at 1850.
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Fun list.

For HQ: Sorc with disk and/or spell familar

 Galef wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame the LOC can only take one relic, otherwise a grounded LOC with Impossible robes + a weapon would compliment Magnus very nicely.

Couldn't you take a cheap CAD with Magnus + Omniscient Oracles?

100pt HQ - I don't know what?
10 Tzaangors
10 Tzaangors
Magnus

Fateweaver
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Robes
LoC with ML3, 2x greater reward, 1 Staff, Paradox
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------1850pts

Not sure how you can get a "Full" Oracles formation + Magnus at 1850.
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Perhaps I misquoted. However, I don't know if I would go full greater rewards on all of them etc.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

However, I don't know if I would go full greater rewards on all of them etc.

You should. It can mean the difference between living an extra turn or being an easy target. Besides, dropping the rewards off 2 of them isn't going to get you the points for a 3rd, nor is a 3rd LoC advisable. One gets Robes, the other Paradox. That's all you need.

Good to know. I'm new to Daemons. Thanks!

Would Soulswitch buff the invulnerable saves for both the target unit and the caster's unit?

@Veterannoob

Could you please post a picture of the Blessing of Tzeentch rule, pretty please?

demons objectives
1 VP if you successfully manifest a blessing in your turn
Roll D6 when this objective is generated. and again in each of your following turns. Score 1Vp if you take that corresponding obj this turn
D3 VP at end of turn if successfully manifest conjuration, or at least 3 Tz demons units arrived on battlefield in your turn via deepstrike
D3 VP at end of turn if your opponent controlled more obj than you at start of the turn but you ended turn with more than him
1Vp if you manifested 1 or 2 psy powers in your turn; D3 if 3-8 powers; D3+3 if 9 or more powers in turn

where are you seeing Blessing of Tzeentch special rule? so much content...

Isn't that the name of the rule that gives units with VotLW +1 invul when targrted by blessings or am I being an idiot? :/

 mrhappyface wrote:
Isn't that the name of the rule that gives units with VotLW +1 invul when targrted by blessings or am I being an idiot? :/

Oh yeah, the building CSM army page. Sorry, dancing between this book, Traitor's Hate, CSM codex and Traitor Legions today.
"If a unit with the VotLW special rule is affected by a blessing their invulnerable save is improved by 1 until the start of your next Psychic phase."

eosgreen wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose I haven't been paying too much attention to GW lately but...$40 for a plastic Ahriman?

Ouch!

$28 if they had allowed you to buy it from the UK....

er isnt that EUROs lol? wouldnt the exchange rate be about the same

We're paying £25.oo GB over here which is $31.99. US However unless it's part of a big order you'd have to pay the shipping charge which would be about £6.00 GB Whish Would be $7.55 US. So you would only save yourself 69 cents at best.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Isn't that the name of the rule that gives units with VotLW +1 invul when targrted by blessings or am I being an idiot? :/

Oh yeah, the building CSM army page. Sorry, dancing between this book, Traitor's Hate, CSM codex and Traitor Legions today.
"If a unit with the VotLW special rule is affected by a blessing their invulnerable save is improved by 1 until the start of your next Psychic phase."

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Oh yeah, the building CSM army page. Sorry, dancing between this book, Traitor's Hate, CSM codex and Traitor Legions today.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
this book, Traitor's Hate, CSM codex and Traitor Legions today.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Traitor Legions

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Traitor Legions

...oooo....kaaaaaayyyy

 VeteranNoob wrote:
...oooo....kaaaaaayyyy

I think he wants Traitor Legions leaks.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
...oooo....kaaaaaayyyy

 VeteranNoob wrote:
...oooo....kaaaaaayyyy

I've been ranting with my buddy about this new book and he got this argument that despite there is a whole new 9 legion - every one of them have a 2 uniqe Faction rules, another 2-3 rules for their uniqe detachments and every one have a 6 relics (so if we do the math it's something about 99 NEW rules) he says that there can't be so many new rules - and there must be some duplicates.

So my question to you - is there any duplicate rules for this 9 legions?
Basicly i just want to know - is that truth that there is a 9 uniqe legions with rules or there is some pattern that is just slightly differentiates)

He can't tell you ...yet. That only makes it worse knowing he's reading the supplement right now while we're left imagining lol
So close to leaks and yet so far. *waves fist angrily at the dark gods in impotence*

 Roknar wrote:
He can't tell you ...yet. That only makes it worse knowing he's reading the supplement right now while we're left imagining lol
So close to leaks and yet so far. *waves fist angrily at the dark gods in impotence*

But... that wouldn't count for leaks)
It's just some kind of verification that I would really get what already been posted by GW)
That would suck if there is a lot of duplicates :/

I just don't want to be dissapointed)

I heard some people compare it to Angels of Death. Apperantly that reshuffled a lot of formations from previous releases.
I could easily see that happening.
Every legion comes with a decurion, so what's likely to happen is that we see a few new formations, but mostly reshuffling of the traitor's hate formations.
With a few different rules for each decurion and rules for each legion on top of that. Although I'm not sure we'll get both.
I imagine just about every legion will have a chaos warband for example. And I'd expect to see maelstrom of gore as a core choice for world eaters.

TSons detachments have 1 new rule and one fluffy rule to hate wolves. I expect that patttern to occur a few more times.
With relics it would easily reach 99. Just relics alone is 42 new ones since we already have TSons and Black Legion.
It's really hard to put a number on new stuff, but we're getting plenty of new stuff. Though obviously not equally impactful.
Extra Hatred vs space wolves is...cute. Fluffy and good when you do get into a fight but most of the time useless.

Damn it IW better get to be able to add Basilisks in their formation of formations or its back to playing funny looking IH.

I wouldn't expect that happening. Besides, FW has got your back on that front.

I can see a lot of relics being similar, but not identical. 2-3 melee weapons, a ranged weapon, an armor or other defense, something specific to a warpsmith or dark apostle or sorcerer, and 1-2 oddball.

So, from the looks of it I can't take raptors / talons in pure thousand sons force?