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Thx VeteranNoob for all those information! got some question

1 . emperor children kakophani formation , 6 units of sonic marine got +1 str gun , is it means all their sonic weapon +1S ? or only sonic blaster ?

2. spawn formation ..is it available for death guard?

wolverineD wrote:
Thx VeteranNoob for all those information! got some question

1 . emperor children kakophani formation , 6 units of sonic marine got +1 str gun , is it means all their sonic weapon +1S ? or only sonic blaster ?
------all sonic weapons
2. spawn formation ..is it available for death guard?
yup 1-3 cuties

Yea, it could go either way. Most of their trademark unit formations are in command and possessed are a trademark of black legion as well., but there is a daemon prince required. Realistically I think it would be a command formation but that would make for a neat core.

Do a number of these Legion formations require special characters, or are they "[Named Character] or [Marked/Unmarked Chaos Lord]"?

Hey VeteranNoob, same question as last time

VeteranNoob is the Emperor children relic the Blissgiver a daemon weapon ?

 Rydria wrote:
VeteranNoob is the Emperor children relic the Blissgiver a daemon weapon ?

yes

Ahemm... Sorry, but on which page are the informations given by VeteranNoob ? I can't find it...

 MagicJuggler wrote:
Hey VeteranNoob, same question as last time

Hey VeteranNoob, was still wondering if any of the Relics have clauses like "Warpsmith-Only", "Cannot be taken by a Daemon Prince", etc. I'd like to know if I can give Combat Drugs to a Slaaneshi-Prince as a giant chem-lab experiment for example, or so.

Also, if the Word Bearers WL trait for an extra Psychic Mastery level can be used on a vehicle character, for that Psychic Dreadnought Chaos has been wanting for awhile. :>
IW relics Warpbreacher and Nest of Mechaserpents are warpsmith only. A DP can be in the primary detachment for EC so shoot that bad boy up! That will make for some fun lists

*sigh*

Wish we were still doing Black Crusade. Would'a been so much fun to port these into the RPG.

Hm.. Good good things so far, but do we get to use the "old" EC warband with the rules of :
**
FORMATION:
1- 1 Chaos Space Marine Lord, Daemon Prince, Chaos
Sorcerer, or Lucious The Eternal.
Up to six units chosen from the following list:
- Chaos Dreadnoughts
- Chaos Terminator Squads
- Chosen Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Space Marine Squads
- Noise Marine Squads
- Chaos Bikers
- Chaos Predators
- Havocs

SPECIAL RULES:
- All models are considered to have the Mark of Slaanesh for
free
- Any character or Aspiring Champion may take a doom siren
for +10 points
- Any model may replace a bolter with a sonic blaster for +5
points
OPTIONS:
Models may take the following upgrades for free:
- Chaos Terminator’s may replace their combi-bolter with a
sonic blaster
- Any model may replace a meltagun or plasmagun with a
doom siren
- Any model may replace an autocannon or reaper autocannon
with a blastmaster
- Chaos Dreadnoughts may replace their twin-linked heavy
bolters with twin-linked sonic blasters, their twin-linked
autocannons with a blastmaster, and their flamer with a doom
siren
- Predators may upgrade an autocannon to a blastmaster, and
may replace heavy bolters with sonic blasters
**
to go with the new rules ? its +100p but still ...

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 Nactor wrote:
Hm.. Good good things so far, but do we get to use the "old" EC warband with the rules of :
**
FORMATION:
1- 1 Chaos Space Marine Lord, Daemon Prince, Chaos
Sorcerer, or Lucious The Eternal.
Up to six units chosen from the following list:
- Chaos Dreadnoughts
- Chaos Terminator Squads
- Chosen Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Space Marine Squads
- Noise Marine Squads
- Chaos Bikers
- Chaos Predators
- Havocs

SPECIAL RULES:
- All models are considered to have the Mark of Slaanesh for
free
- Any character or Aspiring Champion may take a doom siren
for +10 points
- Any model may replace a bolter with a sonic blaster for +5
points
OPTIONS:
Models may take the following upgrades for free:
- Chaos Terminator’s may replace their combi-bolter with a
sonic blaster
- Any model may replace a meltagun or plasmagun with a
doom siren
- Any model may replace an autocannon or reaper autocannon
with a blastmaster
- Chaos Dreadnoughts may replace their twin-linked heavy
bolters with twin-linked sonic blasters, their twin-linked
autocannons with a blastmaster, and their flamer with a doom
siren
- Predators may upgrade an autocannon to a blastmaster, and
may replace heavy bolters with sonic blasters
**
to go with the new rules ? its +100p but still ...

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No. That was an Apocalypse Formation from the GW website back in 2007, that wasn't even updated when Apocalypse 2 was released. It was never in 40K legal.


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Hey Verterannoob, is there any way to take vehicles in a legion detachment outside of "Fist of the Gods"?

Ah OK.
I got to this 'cos of the comment about the EC termies;
And a few months ago my local GW store had no problems with me bringing it in on an Apoc battle (i proxed alot but noone cared).
^^
Thanks for the fast reply Sersi

No problem! How I wish they had done something like that Apocalypse formation. But sadly we only get rules if there's a models.

Okay, more questions, @veterannoob. Thanks for clarifying that th 35 point WB weapon is AP3.

1. What is the WB relic Baleful Iron? Is it a weapon, or just a talisman?

2. Is being Troops the only bonus given automatically to Word Bearers Possessed?

3. Can you give a more detailed description of the WB Warlord Traits? What happens if a Word Bearer Warlord with Mark of Khorne or Daemon of Khorne becomes a Psyker?

4. Can you clarify what the Iron Warriors get to roll scatter dice for in their detachment? Is it just barrage weapons(which CSM don't have right now iirc), or barrage weapons and something else?

more qustions if you or any other is so kind to answer

- The Cyclopia Cabal is a "neutral" formation that any legion (and of course standar CAD) can take? is kinda important

- Guess sure will stay as befoe....but still marked sorcerors must take at least one power of their god or are like demons?

- The WB sorcerors can cast daemonology as demons....or estill suffers perisl with any double?

 Roknar wrote:
I know I'm fishing here but I'd really like to use that with forgeworld XD

^

We really, rally , all, have to start demanding FW put 'X counts as Y for the purposes of existing detachments', for ALL their releases. It's getting incredibly irritating.

Franarok wrote:
- The Cyclopia Cabal is a "neutral" formation that any legion (and of course standar CAD) can take? is kinda important

Already answered. No. These Formations are restricted to Black Legion only.

- The Bringers of Despair
- The Chosen of Abaddon
- The Hounds of Abaddon
- Daemon Engine Pack
- Cyclopia Cabal
- The Tormented
- Black Legion Warband

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
VeteranNoob is the Emperor children relic the Blissgiver a daemon weapon ?

yes

Awesome, when you posted the abridged relics, I was like why would anyone ever pay 30pts for a power sword with that leadership test instant death so not worth it, but if it is a daemon weapon it is much better.

Can someone tell me if this is right?

If i want to take a CAD as Night Lords while retaining both sets of army rules, I could take:

Core: Raptor Talon (or Chaos Warband) + Aux: 1 Spawn

Then take a CAD with Lord, 2 (Raptor) troops + whatever else I want. The whole army would get VotLW Fear, Stealth, Night Vision, Rerolls on charge and guaranteed night fighting?

If anyone could confirm so I can buy the right stuff, that'd be great. I've been playing chaos for 15 years and still dont have a chaos spawn model

Only the stuff in the Decurion would get the reroll charge.

I think you would still get guaranteed night fighting, but only the stuff in the decurion would get the +1 cover save on top of the baseline NL stealth from night fighting, since stealth would not stack with stealth.

hard core Word Bearers player here... worried I'm going to be underwhelmed

 Roknar wrote:
Yea, it could go either way. Most of their trademark unit formations are in command and possessed are a trademark of black legion as well., but there is a daemon prince required. Realistically I think it would be a command formation but that would make for a neat core.

It probably went over to word bearers though, no?

After all, possessed is THEIR signature.

Well, could be an stupid question...but you still can take the Cyclopia Cabal asan alone formation, isnt you? I mean, you have your cad or your decurion and also can take the Cyclopia Cabal,.. or only can add the cabal on the black legion decurion?

If that is the case I dont see any problem even if you need pat the veterans rule on the sorcerers. Also since them are no obey to take marks, can fit on any legion.


Also a bit worried about Word Bearers. By the moment they look the main losers between the legions. The possesed are crap. No very interesting rules on the army. Ad the sorcerers generating daemonology at 3+ could be cool....only if counts as demons to avoid perils.

Hi there VeteranNoob. Thanks for the info. Am I right in thinking that Traitor Legions has 100% of the rules from Wrath of Magnus? Ie: if I buy Traitor Legions I don't need Wrath of Magnus?

 Kavish wrote:
Hi there VeteranNoob. Thanks for the info. Am I right in thinking that Traitor Legions has 100% of the rules from Wrath of Magnus? Ie: if I buy Traitor Legions I don't need Wrath of Magnus?

I was thinking about this also - as far as I'm aware you get everything apart from the daemon detachment and formations... though some confirmation on this would be appreciated.

Edit: judging by the contents page, it looks like this is indeed the case.
http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/traitor-TOC.jpg

the best thing of the traitors supplement is that you will no need any other book beside the codex since all the traitor's hate and tsons stuff are here, That is cool



About http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/traitor-TOC.jpg ..... REALLY worried that there are not the spanw aux option as well the veterans of the legions. If the option of place a spanw units as an aux.........that is a kick on our balls since is the best aux and the more acceisble since the other are to much expensive to allow you be fexible making your army.

Anyone knows something about this?

Franarok wrote:
Well, could be an stupid question...but you still can take the Cyclopia Cabal asan alone formation, isnt you? I mean, you have your cad or your decurion and also can take the Cyclopia Cabal,.. or only can add the cabal on the black legion decurion?

If that is the case I dont see any problem even if you need pat the veterans rule on the sorcerers. Also since them are no obey to take marks, can fit on any legion.


Also a bit worried about Word Bearers. By the moment they look the main losers between the legions. The possesed are crap. No very interesting rules on the army. Ad the sorcerers generating daemonology at 3+ could be cool....only if counts as demons to avoid perils.

- Yes, any legion can take the Cyclopia Cabal as a separate formation outside of your Detachment in a Battle Forged army.
- But only Black Legion can take it within their detachment and have it benefit from the detachments bonus rules.


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Franarok wrote:
the best thing of the traitors supplement is that you will no need any other book beside the codex since all the traitor's hate and tsons stuff are here, arent it?

or maybe i am blind and missed something?



Also if you love shot armies, the EC are your friend, with tonds of blastmasters. Some really cheap since can change free a autocanon by a blastmaster.... 5 havocs with 4 blastmaster sounds (ha! xD) really nasty.

Think will find a use to my unit of sisters of silence I converted into noise marines xD

- Yes Traitor Legions has all the rules from Traitor Hate and Wrath of Magnus, minus the background material.

- If your referring to the EC formation mention above; that's an old obsolete apocalypse formation.
- It's not one from Traitor Legions, only Noise Marines currently have access to sonic weapons and only way to take a Sonic Dreadnought is in a CAD using the rules in Imperial Armor 13.
- Spawn are in the book as an AUX choice you don't see them listed because they're a unit option not a formation, so there is no data slate to reference in the index.

 Sersi wrote:

Franarok wrote:
Well, could be an stupid question...but you still can take the Cyclopia Cabal asan alone formation, isnt you? I mean, you have your cad or your decurion and also can take the Cyclopia Cabal,.. or only can add the cabal on the black legion decurion?

If that is the case I dont see any problem even if you need pat the veterans rule on the sorcerers. Also since them are no obey to take marks, can fit on any legion.


Also a bit worried about Word Bearers. By the moment they look the main losers between the legions. The possesed are crap. No very interesting rules on the army. Ad the sorcerers generating daemonology at 3+ could be cool....only if counts as demons to avoid perils.

- Yes, any legion can take the Cyclopia Cabal as a separate formation outside of your Detachment in a Battle Forged army.
- But only Black Legion can take it within their detachment and have it benefit from the detachments bonus rules.


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Franarok wrote:
the best thing of the traitors supplement is that you will no need any other book beside the codex since all the traitor's hate and tsons stuff are here, arent it?

or maybe i am blind and missed something?



Also if you love shot armies, the EC are your friend, with tonds of blastmasters. Some really cheap since can change free a autocanon by a blastmaster.... 5 havocs with 4 blastmaster sounds (ha! xD) really nasty.

Think will find a use to my unit of sisters of silence I converted into noise marines xD

- Yes Traitor Legions has all the rules from Traitor Hate and Wrath of Magnus, minus the background material.

- If your referring to the EC formation mention above; that's an old obsolete apocalypse formation.
- It's not one from Traitor Legions, only Noise Marines currently have access to sonic weapons and only way to take a Sonic Dreadnought is in a CAD using the rules in Imperial Armor 13.

Thanks for the info. Now I am really more happy if the aux options of the spanw as well the veterans of the legions are still in. I am a Spanw lover haha, They always give me nice results

 Sersi wrote:

- It's not one from Traitor Legions, only Noise Marines currently have access to sonic weapons and only way to take a Sonic Dreadnought is in a CAD using the rules in Imperial Armor 13.
.

We need to know if this item:
Bolts of ecstatic vexation (15) bolt weapons gain blast, ignores cover and pinning
its to the bearer or to the unit