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Shame that there's no tiles option.

Where'd they say the expansion would be priced $80?

You probably did the math right. fwiw, Mini-expansions (that is, SG's), such as individual figures and card decks, cost much more per miniature or card deck than larger expansions and standalone games. So I'd take these SG prices with a grain of rice and compare the *content* not the listed price. That is, just because six flesh mites will be sold $20 retail, doesn't mean that you're getting much gameplay for your dollar when it's a $15 add-on, or part of the marginal cost you're paying at the Shogun level. fwiw, The mini-expansions for Shadows of Brimstone are mostly sold on the FFP website, and Shadows has *a lot* of these mini-expansions. Occasionally, FFP will have a sale and they currently have a Halloween Sale, but we're not talking OLGS discounts here. http://flyingfrogproductions.mybigcommerce.com/halloween-sale/

If you're just going to stick with the OLGS-available expansions, you're good at the $100 pledge level.

ced1106 wrote:
Where'd they say the expansion would be priced $80?

In the comments.

As to the Shogun value I figure the Shogun-only heroes at about $10 a piece, the expansion is $80, then add the given totals for the other stuff, it evens out about $400k.

Napkin math for sure, but I don't see the Shogun level as terribly priced, especially considering this will end up at a much higher total than $400k.

How big are those skin crawlers? That reminds me of something I am going to be doing in a D&D game and if they're ginormous they are exactly what I am looking for..

Given that it is only, what, 4-5 hours in and we're already over $300,000, the Shogun pledge level looks like it will be well worth it by the end.

Both pledge levels now have:
Female sumo, Male assassin, female Samurai, Fortress of the Fallen encounters pack

And the Shogun level also has:
Female Daiymo, Flesh mites, female soldier, Thunder Warriors, tongue demons, female enforcer

Hard to say, actually, eventually.

You can get the two main boxes from the first KS on MM for $65 each.

Still, we'll see here - and I'm a huge fan of this game, so...I'm probably in for SHOGUN - for the long haul!

I don't doubt you can get the released bits cheaper over time, but for me MM is out due to additional shipping and customs charges. I can only see this getting worse after the idiots finally break us away from the EU. Ahem. Anyway...

Speaking of shipping charges. It looks like they got burned on postage and packing time with KS1, so the core pledges ship prepacked from China, with any add-ons being shipped separately from the US. This means that anyone outside of the US backing this will be hit with 2 lots of shipping costs; one from within your region and one from the US+customs charges. To me, this makes Shogun even more acceptable as I recently got burned for £20 customs and handling on a £20 order from their webstore. I can only guess what it would be for a larger order!

And the male sorcerer is also unlocked, with 10k left until we hit the carrion phoenix. Can't wait to see where this is at after my meeting later!
Speak of the devil... Carrion Phoenix is also unlocked.

So have they said if upgrading to Shogun via PM will be allowed?

 Taarnak wrote:
So have they said if upgrading to Shogun via PM will be allowed?

They haven't 100% decided but right now are in the no camp for allowing that. They said the reasons are for being able to place orders with the factory quicker.

We are now passed $400k so the riflemen have been unlocked.

Taarnak wrote:So have they said if upgrading to Shogun via PM will be allowed?

Monkeysloth wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
So have they said if upgrading to Shogun via PM will be allowed?

They haven't 100% decided but right now are in the no camp for allowing that. They said the reasons are for being able to place orders with the factory quicker.

If they're already waffling, it is a safe bet the answer will ultimately be 'No'.

And wasn't this an issue in the last campaign too, where they kinda/sorta said 'maybe' about being able to upgrade pledges in the PM phase, and then didn't allow it to happen?

Best to go "SHOGUN" now, if you're at all inclined to do so and can do so!

Hm this theme appeals to me a lot more than the western/Cthulu thing in the original (never was a huge western fan and I'm a bit allergic to Cthulu after it started appearing in everything). Do you Think they will treat this game separately from the western one, with expansions to make it just as "complete" rules-wise etc?

It already IS a complete 'stand alone' thing!

Shadows of Brimstone: Forbidden Fortress can be played on its own as a stand-alone game, or it can be used in combination with any and all of the other Shadows of Brimstone products already available! It is fully compatible, in every way! For new players, Forbidden Fortress will make a great introduction to the world of Shadows of Brimstone, and for veteran players, it adds a ton of new content, including two brand new Worlds to explore - the Japanese castles and temples of the Forbidden Fortress and a living world inside a massive creature in the Belly of the Beast. It also includes a brand new set of Heroes and Enemies to add to your games. With the option of starting your Heroes in Feudal Japan or the Old West, or having a mixed party of Heroes, drawn from both worlds, the possibilities are endless!

...and I would think that yes, it this one proves to be popular (and it looks like it already is!), then they'll absolutely support it with appropriately themed expansions.

Also, many (all?) of the already existing expansions would already be OK to use as 'alternate dimensions/otherworlds' right now too!

Swamps of Death, Caverns of Cinder and Trederra should work out just fine for this one.

Even the Old West Mines can be considered an "Otherworld" for your Japanese characters

Well, I guess it isn't AS complete unless it has the more fully developed town-phase automatically, right?

All of the games creating one giant sandbox of light RPG co-op Lovecraftian dungeon-crawly goodness has me insanely excited though.

Depending on how you value the gender-alts, we're either at, or near Shogun's break even point, so from here I just start counting the goodies as bonuses.

Yeah, I think the stretches between $500K and $1MIL should make the SHOGUN pledge a much, much better deal...

...then we'll see that total really start to climb!

 Alpharius wrote:
And wasn't this an issue in the last campaign too, where they kinda/sorta said 'maybe' about being able to upgrade pledges in the PM phase, and then didn't allow it to happen?

As I recall, they allowed upgrading and purchasing of extra tiers in the PM, but it was limited based on whether you were an Outlaw or MC backer (MC's were able to pick up slightly more I think?), and they didn't allow upgrading for some of the sub-core box tiers (I think the $1 in particular?). Or had even stricter limits on what they could get? It was 2 years ago.

There was some wailing and gnashing of teeth that a couple of people who dropped placeholder $1 pledges and then called foul that they couldn't use that $1 to get the benefits people who'd put $200-500 in for a year prior, one guy in particular was just obnoxious, but in the end it all sorted out.

As for the Shogun, yeah, it's not a massive savings, but we knew that'd be the case going in. FFP have admitted that the Outlaw and Mine Cart were *too good* a deal. Getting to ~$400 worth (to balance out against the usual 1/3'ish savings of CSI and a few other sites) might require a little wiggle room for now, but considering what the Outlaw exclusives went for on Ebay, it shouldn't be too hard to at least hit that, and then there's the benefits of getting some material before retail, or getting things without having to actually go to the secondary market, etc.

And as noted, we are less than 24 hours in. I think we'll hit 1 million, and at that point I won't be surprised if the Shogun is significantly spicier. It's not a 3 to 1 savings (or whatever the final math tallies to with the MC), but I think we'll be considerably ahead of the game, even compared to discounted retailers.

Current stretch goal position -

Isn't a bid odd that some $505K in, and with 19 stretch goals hit, that we haven't had a single Official Update yet?

Yes.

But the first campaign didn't have an update until the day after it launched either. Yes, that was 3 years ago, and didn't explode nearly as much as this one has, but there's precedent.

I'm guessing we'll get one this afternoon/tonight (based on their time).

It is driving some backers in the comments crazy. As though the lack of a self-congratulatory "omg we funded yay!" update is somehow an affront to the very notion of Kickstarter.

Not saying that's going on here, I do admit it's a little odd, but at the same time, we're getting Stretch Goal updates on the main page just fine, so I don't see what we need to worry about at the moment either.

Well, someone's clearly manning the KS as they update broken goal graphics relatively quickly.

Maybe they feel confident letting it play out through a million, as they seem to have an overt plan at least that far ahead.

They're on the ball with updating the main page, that's all I care about. FFP like to do large updates at a slower rate.

I'm not upset or nervous - I just think it is a bit odd.

I mean, we're at $600K and still no Official Word on This Thing!

Odd, that's all!

Well they just did an update, so hopefully that appeases some folks

I know I'm happier now!

The game looks solid, and the goals are going to hit.

Problem I have is going to be the two year wait to get the stuff.
I'm still in for the Minecart level for the first one, picked up a card expansion or two, and held fast at the 1.5.

My biggest issue with them that took some.... patience, was the ongoing expansions of new material while we have to wait over 2 years for the project that was pledged for. I'm used to it by now, but it is a strange way to run a project. I love the game, it takes some getting used to, and you have to be additionally patient while you figure out what works and doesn't work, but the idea of combining crews and adding in additional firepower from the expansions already on hand or coming soon is really going to be interesting. If I were to pledge for the game, I'd go all in for it. This deal doesn't last long, and the commitment is rewarded in the future from the FFP with additional content, deals, KS only expansion stuff, and the added fun of watching the game evolve. The wait honestly sucks, though.

Don't get too mad with them in some of their decisions, the project is a marathon, not a sprint. Biggest issue with the project will be shipping, I think. The game boxes are HUGE. If you get all of that stuff shown so far, you are going to need to make sure you lift with your legs. ( Seriously.)

Well its easier for the wife and I to get excited having just gotten started with the game. We can EASILY spend the next two years buying retail expansions of the first game, meaning we'll have tons of new content right up until this one inevitably ships.

Plus, I am assuming 2017 will still have further releases of content for the original game even while this is in development, as tons of the original KS doesn't exist in stores yet, as far as I can tell.

It is interesting to note that some of the expansions from the first KS are not actually scheduled for retail release until 2018! Trederra for example has been listed as being either late 2017, or early 2018. I can only imagine things like the Vampire nest is going to be even later than that

So, is this the same rules as SOB, but with the Japanese theme instead of western? Seems kinda like every release till now was for the western game, like they should have given this a different name. Or are both games compatible where you can use heroes or monsters from either and swap em around? Never got into SOB before, been meaning to check out the retail version. This new one looks good but the western theme appeals to me more.

 Necros wrote:
So, is this the same rules as SOB, but with the Japanese theme instead of western? Seems kinda like every release till now was for the western game, like they should have given this a different name. Or are both games compatible where you can use heroes or monsters from either and swap em around? Never got into SOB before, been meaning to check out the retail version. This new one looks good but the western theme appeals to me more.

Same game mechanics, you can swap all around