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 Alpharius wrote:
The only thing that felt 'off' was Steve sacrificing himself for what was essentially no reason?

They could have blown the plane up and had the gas consumed by fire pretty much in some open field somewhere, couldn't they?

I realize that his death 'unlocked' Diana's 'full potential and power' and showed her that there is as much 'good' about humanity as their is 'evil', but...

I go to theaters that has the subtitled device... so...

I understood that blowing up the plane wouldn't have saved the local area from the effect of that gas.

My only nitpick, and it's a small nitpick really, was that the writer essentially felt that Ares had to be the one to tell Diana that she's the godkiller, and not the sword. Why would the big bad adversary would "teach" his opponent that?

Other than that, the whole flick is a solid 9/10.

Just saw the movie today. I loved it! Of course, given how amazing Gal Gadot looks, it's hard not to like. [/nerdcrush] The story was interesting and engaging too, not just action scenes and body shots. Probably the best outing for the DC movie universe yet.

DC have finally put out a good movie. So much better than all their earlier efforts. Hopefully Whedon can salvage justice league from whatever Snyder put together.

 Alpharius wrote:
The only thing that felt 'off' was Steve sacrificing himself for what was essentially no reason?

They could have blown the plane up and had the gas consumed by fire pretty much in some open field somewhere, couldn't they?

I realize that his death 'unlocked' Diana's 'full potential and power' and showed her that there is as much 'good' about humanity as their is 'evil', but...

Yeah, they pretty much decided that Steve had to kill himself, and then contrived the situation in order to make him do it. The problem, though, was that the situation they gave wasn't actually that well set up. Steve had control of the plane and that plane was going to fly to London, so he could have just flown it off in to the channel and ditched it.

The gas was pretty annoying in general, tbh. It appeared lighter than air, which meant it was actually worse than mustard gas because it would dissipate, not fill trenches and remain a threat. And this would be an even greater issue when you were dropping it all from one plane, the gas wouldn't spread outside of the drop zone before floating away.

Also, if the gas is highly flammable, why didn't it ignite when dropped on the village? Was there no open flames.

Thinking about it, a plane that could carry that kind of payload and reach London was a way more decisive, war changing weapon than the gas was.


These are all nitpicks, of course. None of that really matters, at least not to me. The film got all the important stuff right.

I liked how the gas was selective in only shattering the glass goggles on gas masks and never the glass test chambers they used it in.

I think Dr Poison was upset that the gas wasn't powerful enough for her in the first test (Steve's flashback story) and when they used it on the 'High Command' it did actually crack windows....

MarkNorfolk wrote:
I think Dr Poison was upset that the gas wasn't powerful enough for her in the first test (Steve's flashback story) and when they used it on the 'High Command' it did actually crack windows....

The guy she was testing it on did not die first time round IIRC - hence her annoyance. Indeed -0 it was cracking glass so the General and the Dr legged it.

It looked like the Dr survived the film?

 Mr Morden wrote:
It looked like the Dr survived the film?

Well, she has to be able to pass on the formula for venom, right?

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It looked like the Dr survived the film?

Well, she has to be able to pass on the formula for venom, right?

Ok? Sorry I don;t know anything about the character - is she important?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It looked like the Dr survived the film?

Well, she has to be able to pass on the formula for venom, right?

Ok? Sorry I don;t know anything about the character - is she important?

Nah, not really...she's a pretty obscure villain in the grand scheme of things. Just pointing out that her other invention may very well be the introduction of the venom drug into the DCEU, and a cool bit of worldbuilding.

Venom is most famously a green liquid used by the Batman villain Bane.




It seems there's some theories in the internet that the blue gas which the villain inhales is a venom prototype, as it has very similar effects. Superhuman strength, stamina, rage and potential addiction.

Ah right - ok that makes sense thnx both of you

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It looked like the Dr survived the film?

Well, she has to be able to pass on the formula for venom, right?

Ok? Sorry I don;t know anything about the character - is she important?

Nah, not really...she's a pretty obscure villain in the grand scheme of things. Just pointing out that her other invention may very well be the introduction of the venom drug into the DCEU, and a cool bit of worldbuilding.

Is that the drug that turns people into gooey black spiders?

What's the context of venom in the DC comic universe?


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Oops, ninja'ed. So venom is likely to be used for future villains?

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Just saw the movie today. I loved it! Of course, given how amazing Gal Gadot looks, it's hard not to like. [/nerdcrush]

Bonus difficulty: looking amazing while 5 months pregnant..




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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is that the drug that turns people into gooey black spiders?

What's the context of venom in the DC comic universe?


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Oops, ninja'ed. So venom is likely to be used for future villains?

Side note, Venom is part of the Marvel universe, so would never appear in a DC film. It will, however, be appearing in a film, and pretty soon - Sony is developing a movie now starring Tom Hardy. Also, completing this tangent, the black goo in question is actually a living creature that establishes a symbiotic relationship with a human being.


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and OK, technically, a Tyrannosaurus, one time.

Hey, everybody has that shady hookup in the past they would rather forget. Venom goo was just very lonely....

I just went and saw the movie and I can't see the love some of you have for it. It felt inconsistent, poorly-paced and suffered from "telling not showing."

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I just went and saw the movie and I can't see the love some of you have for it. It felt inconsistent, poorly-paced and suffered from "telling not showing."

Each to their own

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I just went and saw the movie and I can't see the love some of you have for it. It felt inconsistent, poorly-paced and suffered from "telling not showing."

Each to their own Did you like the other DC or Marvel movies?

They've been declining in quality, imo. The last one I really liked was Guardians of the Galaxy.

I liked WW. It didn't totally suck (unlike MoS and BvS).

I liked Guardians of the Galaxy (1).
I liked Iron man and Captain America.
Not so much the rest of the DC/Marvel stuff.

Zack Snyder taking a step back from making movies can only be a good thing (no matter the reasons for it).

I just saw the movie and I thought it was pretty good for a superhero movie. Of course, the story is rather cliché and grandiloquent, but that's a design feature of the superhero genre. If you don't like that sort of stuff, you will not like 95% of all superhero movies.

Pine and Gadot make a great team on screen and can make their character interesting and sympathetic (which isn't exactly easy with a character like Wonder Women who is by design an enormous Mary Sue). The psychological evolution of Wonder Women from hoplessly naive to almost cynical was a strong point for a movie genre in which heroes are usualy much more constent and rarelly face their own idiosyncrasy. Even the stereotypical sidekick had a role in Wonder Women psychological development making them pertinent to the story. At least we know why should would miss them a 100 years later.

The action scene were ok, but a bit to heavy on the CGI and the slowmotion. It makes the action less fluid, but it seems to be in fashion in superhero movies since the first Avenger, but at least its better than the atrocious fight scene of the Nolan's Batman movies. To me Wonder Women is not just a powerhouse, she should be shown as having great technique when she fights. You could see a bit of that and I have no doubt that you can find good stunt double or that Gadot herself is capable of performing well with more complexe and advanced choreographies to acheive this.

The pacing wasn't extraordinary, but it doesn't drag to much. The ball scene seems unecessary and long for nothing as was the ending in general. I do think its a strange choice to have Wonder Women kill Ares. He was defeated the moment she refused to follow him. Of course, this is a comic book movie and a God villain, I'm pretty sure he can be brought back to life if need be, especially as a potential villain for the Justice League sure to be sequels.

Overall, a good movie of that type and certainly the best of DC for a long while.

It feels like we've entered 'Hot Take' territory now?

Also, isn't using the word 'grandiloquent' grandiloquent?

 Compel wrote:
Venom is most famously a green liquid used by the Batman villain Bane.

In my own personal canon Wonder Woman is now a prequel to Batman & Robin.

Yeah I would have liked a post credits scene of Charon taking Area body in a boat down the River Stix to be greeted by Hades voice (played by either Stephen Fry or Ian McNeice)

"Welcome dearest nephew, your family had been waiting such a long time for you to finally join us."

 Alpharius wrote:

Also, isn't using the word 'grandiloquent' grandiloquent?

Exalted.

And yes.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Also, isn't using the word 'grandiloquent' grandiloquent?

Exalted.

And yes.

For my personal education what would the "non-grandiloquent" term to describe grandiloquent things?

epronovost wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Also, isn't using the word 'grandiloquent' grandiloquent?

Exalted.

And yes.

For my personal education what would the "non-grandiloquent" term to describe grandiloquent things?

Pompous or pretentious immediately come to mind. Highfalutin if you want to be cute about it.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:


Pompous or pretentious immediately come to mind. Highfalutin if you want to be cute about it.

Oh, yeah, should have thought about pompous (pretentious isn't exactly the right term there I think). I still think grandiloquent is the most precise term to convey my thoughts on the Wonder Women movie scenario though. Thanks for the help though.

epronovost wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Also, isn't using the word 'grandiloquent' grandiloquent?

Exalted.

And yes.

For my personal education what would the "non-grandiloquent" term to describe grandiloquent things?

"Snyderish."

?

epronovost wrote:
Oh, yeah, should have thought about pompous (pretentious isn't exactly the right term there I think). I still think grandiloquent is the most precise term to convey my thoughts on the Wonder Women movie scenario though. Thanks for the help though.

Bombastic?

Saw the movie this weekend with my wife and kids, we all greatly enjoyed it. Apart from a few things (how are two rowboats full of soldiers in hot pursuit of a freaking plane?) it's an excellent, highly enjoyable film. 9/10, would recommend to anyone.