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Apparently, no one would ever watch a movie about someone with superhuman powers unless they explain the ludicrous powers with some equally improbable back story. Or something.
It depends on what you mean by origin story... She may very well have a number of adventures in between her childhood (which we see in the film) and Steve Trevor entering her life. - EG the "I've killed creatures from other planets before."
Personally, I think 40 years is a fair period between showing origin stories to mass audiences...
Only thing that concerns me now is that Zak 'coherent plots are for wimps' Snyder has a writer's credit, and a producer's credit.
I've no particularly regard for Wonder Woman as a character - but I don't want this film to fall foul of Snyder. Not only is Wonder Woman an iconic superhero who deserves the best (despite my ambivalence which is not important), but this is her first, massively overdue big screen headline outing - and I fear that if it flops, Hollywood will just put it down to 'wimmins no sel films'.
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I've no particularly regard for Wonder Woman as a character - but I don't want this film to fall foul of Snyder.
What are you trying to say here?
That Snyder frequently makes pretty, but awful, movies. His previous writing credits included 300 and Sucker Punch. Snyder's Batman and Superman efforts were generally negatively received. Although I am one of the few that liked Suicide Squad (despite Jared Leto).
What I think is that the diet controversy, fresh on the heels of the not-enough-marketing controversy, which followed the armpits controversy -- and I feel like I'm missing a controversy in there? -- just shows all the complications involved with female superheroes and action heroes. We still have a ways to go before we can get past all the silly stuff.
I am ok with breakfast bars. Is this something different?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
But what genuinely, truly worried me was the ad before the trailer, featuring Gal 'more wooden than a very wooden indeed thing' and Chris 'surname is a hint' Pine gushing and telling us how utterly completely quite wunnerful the Wonder Woman movie is, and how we should totes see it....a 'feature' I swear was longer than the actual trailer.
I've not seen such things very often in the cinema (TV, yes!), but when I have, it's usually been an ill omen.
And I don't want Wonder Woman to be another damp squib. I'm no fan of Gadot, but if this flops, Hollyweird will likely just chalk it up to the film having a female lead.
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gorgon wrote: What I think is that the diet controversy, fresh on the heels of the not-enough-marketing controversy, which followed the armpits controversy -- and I feel like I'm missing a controversy in there? -- just shows all the complications involved with female superheroes and action heroes. We still have a ways to go before we can get past all the silly stuff.
I feel like these issues are really just issues because the previous DC films have left such a bad aftertaste with the audience. If Wonder Woman were a Marvel character, coming off a string of fun, successful films, the tone would be quite different. After Suicide Squad, a lot of the cheerful fluff media is saying "this time it's shame on me".
Another good trailer - although missed her awesome theme tune.
Looking forward to this
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gorgon wrote: What I think is that the diet controversy, fresh on the heels of the not-enough-marketing controversy, which followed the armpits controversy -- and I feel like I'm missing a controversy in there? -- just shows all the complications involved with female superheroes and action heroes. We still have a ways to go before we can get past all the silly stuff.
I feel like these issues are really just issues because the previous DC films have left such a bad aftertaste with the audience. If Wonder Woman were a Marvel character, coming off a string of fun, successful films, the tone would be quite different. After Suicide Squad, a lot of the cheerful fluff media is saying "this time it's shame on me".
No, I don't think critical reception has anything to do it (note that audience scores of the other DCEU weren't nearly as bad as those of critics). These "controversies" about bleached armpits, dieting, and advertising spend equity wouldn't exist if it was a Barry Allen Flash film we're talking about. They exist only because of gender politics. Which is a shame.
Meh. After final seeing Bvs.S, nothing about this interests me unless the daughter wants to see it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
gorgon wrote: What I think is that the diet controversy, fresh on the heels of the not-enough-marketing controversy, which followed the armpits controversy -- and I feel like I'm missing a controversy in there? -- just shows all the complications involved with female superheroes and action heroes. We still have a ways to go before we can get past all the silly stuff.
All those controversies just because we finally get a female super hero are dumb and sexist.
I only go to super hero movies for 1 thing.
The obligatory butt shots.
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Frazzled wrote: Meh. After final seeing Bvs.S, nothing about this interests me unless the daughter wants to see it.
You should see the Director's cut of Bvs.S.
Flix made total sense and may adjust your final opinion.
As for WW... I'm stoked!
No thanks, Thats more hours of my life I would not get back. AT my age, just waking up is winning life's little crapshoot.
Kronk, what has been seen can now not be unseen.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The "Hawkeye Initiative" is a real thing on the tumblrs. Though it tends to head down a tangential point that's kinda off topic and results in the "anti-SJW" hordes crawling out of the woodwork.
Although, there is a more interesting and more subtle aspect of it all away from the various strawman arguments, which is, that some comic illustrators are starting to realise and take advantage of the market for the 'female gaze' too - most famously when it comes to Nightwing's butt.
And that is kinda on topic a bit. - Like I said, it's very much a marketing disappointment from merchandising fowk who don't understand their potential audience. Hopefully, it'll be course corrected before the films release, which is still the majority of a month away.
Frazzled wrote: Meh. After final seeing Bvs.S, nothing about this interests me unless the daughter wants to see it.
You should see the Director's cut of Bvs.S.
Flix made total sense and may adjust your final opinion.
As for WW... I'm stoked!
How did they fix the shockingly awful Loopy Lex acting and plot line!? I laugh when I say plot line obviously. "Hello Human obviously pretending to be a Kryptonian - would you like to make a Domesday device?"
Did they reshoot every scene he ruined with his wannabee Joker act. Seriously - that guy's portrayal ruined that film - Wonder Woman was awesome, Angry Bats was great and Superman worked fine- Loopy Lex was just an ongoing and terrible car crash every moment he was capering like a drunken lunatic on screen.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Some of the characters referenced are pretty obscure however.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I need an Origin story for WW. I know jack gak about her other than she's strong and flies an invisible jet. And she used to have a lasso that made you tell the truth.
* Lasso's criminal
"Tell the truth!"
"Damn you got big boobies."
kronk wrote: I need an Origin story for WW. I know jack gak about her other than she's strong and flies an invisible jet. And she used to have a lasso that made you tell the truth.
* Lasso's criminal
"Tell the truth!"
"Damn you got big boobies."
/Dave Chappelle.
There was a similar scene in the recentish animated movie. The main good guy who crashed on their island was being interrogated in the throne room via golden lasso and and he told the queen her daughter (WW) has a nice rack. There appears to be a similar scene in this movie in the last trailer. Wonder if we'll get the rack comment again.
