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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:07:40
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ERJAK wrote:Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
In the same way, we currently have a not Imperial Guard codex that happens to have all of the Imperial Guard battle rules, unit entries and points...
Like the not Sisters Codex, it also includes:
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
However, it lacks:
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition
If people consider the not Imperial Guard codex to be the replacement for "Codex: Imperial Guard", then they would also consider "Codex: Imperial Agents" as the replacement for "Codex: Sisters of Battle".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:13:26
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Pious Palatine
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H.B.M.C. wrote:ERJAK wrote:Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
You can keep being angry/being a typical Sisters player all you like, but it's never going to make Codex: Imperial Agents into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
I mean, it has all the Inquisition stuff in it from Codex: Inquisition, but it's not Codex: Inquisition. It has everything from Codex: Legion of the Damned... but it's not Codex: Legion of the Damned.
Hey, I agreed with you. If you read the comment I very clearly said it is NOT a sister's codex. Typical chaos players always gotta play the victim.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:18:20
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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One would have to play the victim to play the victim.
But nice try.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:23:15
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So did the preview people (aka veteran noob and spikes bits) get a nasty gram from GW saying not to leak as much info? Because we are well past New Zealand preorder time and I'm surprised NO ONE has said anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:26:53
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Rampaging Carnifex
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It's quite possible they said to wait until pre-orders were up for all time zones or some such. But let's cut them some slack - the Traitor's Legion info was much appreciated and veteranoob spent all day answering questions and such last Friday.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:26:57
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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MadCowCrazy wrote: Rolsheen wrote:According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
Well I guess that confirms it then...
I assume you're joking. GW managers often know less than us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:31:43
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Pious Palatine
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Leaks are up, Celestine's gone, congratulations to anyone who doesn't like me on this forum, you win, I am as sad as anything 40k related could possibly make me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:35:08
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Where?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:42:18
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ERJAK wrote:I am as sad as anything 40k related could possibly make me.
So Sisters were Squatted after all?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:42:54
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:45:39
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ERJAK wrote:Leaks are up, Celestine's gone, congratulations to anyone who doesn't like me on this forum, you win, I am as sad as anything 40k related could possibly make me.
you are assuming this is a sisters of battle codex it is not. Also a lot of details and missing minis from that list including many named characters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:45:41
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Rampaging Carnifex
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Cheers for the heads up, pretre!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:48:32
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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According to that thread, VN doesn't plan on posting here or in great detail.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:49:48
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Exactly. When Sisters actually get Squatted, then it'll be time to be sad. Perhaps, GW ought to pull the plug on Sisters of Battle, simply to give the histrionics some credence. - Dogs of War player.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:54:18
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote: MadCowCrazy wrote: Rolsheen wrote:According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
Well I guess that confirms it then...
I assume you're joking. GW managers often know less than us.
I would believe so. I doubt some random GW Manager would be informed to say anything of that sort, nor would GW confirm and spread rumours to confirm as a joke.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:54:29
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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So yes, the Sisters of Battle (SoB) army features all existing models.
Celestine confirmed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 05:58:19
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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It's unclear in that thread but it looks like VN says Celestine is gone. Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll try to stay positive h till we get more data.VNs review was very vague this time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:05:48
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ok, they must have at least changed shield of faith since it is now a detachment benefit...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:06:13
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Specifics on the Detachment, how the other stuff in the book can be played with Sisters, and confirmation about Shield of Faith are all I really want to see at this point.
Kinda excited actually
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:06:40
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Regular Dakkanaut
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His review was vague- he hasn't yet clarified, though I have faith he will.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:10:19
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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I think that detachment gives shield of faith to the conclave. Which is lackluster because most of the models have invuls already.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:10:52
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They are not being squatted. They hyped them in a big video, they release a new not limited resin model, tons of rumors about them coming out, and now this very book says it's just formations to take small compliments of each of the 9 factions in the book with formations from this codex.
Just because the Deathwatch are in here doesn't mean they will get squatted ect. I knew this was going to be so and here it is. It makes it pretty clear this is not a replacement for an actual codex for any factions in here but a codex... supplement for all Imperium armies.
Nothing I've seen has killed the sister mojo except rampant fan speculation and denial that they could actually be happening despite all evidence to the contrary.
TLDR: Calm down everyone. Sisters still on the way until proven otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:49:01
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm just wondering how much of a beating inqusitor Cortez took from the nerf bat or did they finally bury him behind the shed?
I'll miss my ghetto interceptor buddy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 06:55:15
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Missionary On A Mission
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From Beams on Bolter and Chainsword in regards to if Celestine is indeed missing from the codex... Was going to say the same thing but figured I'd quote someone else with the same thought as me. Were down to one unique character. WHO ISNT EVEN A WOMAN. In the SISTERS of battle. Like, I like Jacobus, but come on! We lost all our Adepta-sororitas characters now. We have a Eccliasarchy character, but no Battle Sister Characters. Edit: In a way this is actually good news for a number of reason when I think about it. Why would the angel of the Sisters be in a supplement codex? Are any of the GK SC in it? The model is on last chance to buy which means 1 of 2 things, model is being discontinued or replaced. Then again if any other non Inquisition SC is in the book it could be bad news.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 07:05:49
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Didn't we just (potentially) get a unique with the new canoness? Rumors were saying she had rules in the box.
As for losing Celestine I do earnestly hope that this is a temporary measure until a new codex with models drops. She's THE iconic centerpiece of pretty much every Sisters Army. If she goes away completely it'd be a sad day for the Sisters as a whole.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 07:09:33
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Missionary On A Mission
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Codex: Imperial Agents Hardback, $40 US; Pre-order Dec. 10th, 2016; 136 color pages This is the initial text review for Combat Phase weekly wargaming podcast. Ep 175 next week will have more discussion. Also, fans of the Horus Heresy, tune in to our show right before Christmas to join an all-star cast of BL authors, artists, podcasters, painters, and fans from around the world as they reflect on A Decade of Horus Heresy. Wow! www.combatphase.com or on iTunes or however you like to get your podcasts. First off, this is another beautiful book. While I admit I don’t know if all of the internal artwork is reused or newly commissioned, the initial piece is quite breathtaking. The intro section walks through each of the nine factions included with one-two pages of fluff accompanying art (many reused but gorgeous pieces). Next the book includes the standard gallery of models in action sequences (not solo models) in the Warriors of the Imperium section. It was wonderful to see some oldies but goodies pictured, which at the time of initial review I looked up and noticed were no longer for sale or needed to be found on the web store under the search function. Since then, GW has not only announced a new Blanche-inspired Sisters of Battle Canoness, but also brought back the remaining models here for order on demand. This is good because at this point—as we said weeks ago, Warhammer Community has confirmed, and many guessed—there are no new models accompanying this release, though 2017 is only a few weeks away…so, who knows… So yes, the Sisters of Battle ( SoB) army features all existing models. That doesn’t mean the promised plastic SoB models mentioned from inside a trash bin on Warhammer TV a few months back aren’t coming soon, but unlike a supplement, this is (at the very least) a placeholder for these nine factions, introducing new detachments which have their own force organization charts ( FoC) and command abilities so the odd existing model can legally fit into an army as standard, ally, or whatever you prefer. Finally we have two pages of weapons, vehicle equipment and special issue warmer before the factions begin. It’s not a lot: 2 ranged, 1 melee, 2 vehicle and 5 special issue including psyk-out grenades and a teleport homer. Now, onto the 9 factions: each faction has its own name as its faction unless otherwise noted 1. Cult Mechanicus We have the FoC Engineer Congregation to accompany the Tech-Priest Enginseer model that came out a while back (that cool-looking tech-priest with the axe but kinda on his own). This one is simple: Pair him with the Servitors on the next page and both units must have the Cult Mech faction. But units from this detachment gain the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule like Cult Mech usually have and the table is included. So this is good for folks like me with a cult mech or admech army or who want to incorporate these few models in. Not sure why the book started here, as it’s the slimmest of entries and they’re not alphabetical. But this certainly doesn't replace either of the admech codexes. 2. Aeronautica Imperialis This is the one no one could guess would be in the book weeks back when the list of 9 was being theorized from the initial teaser giving 6/9 factions. Hey, I wouldn’t have guessed it either. These boys are part of Armies of the Imperium and ally as such. An Imperial Navy Section FoC has at least one Valkyrie and 1 optional Officer of the Fleet. They gain air superiority allowing them to re-roll failed reserve rolls for this detachment. Another slim one, but it gets better. The officer is a cool model I don’t recognize. He allows you to allow a navy order (these are cumulative for each officer). So you can get either a bonus to reserves or penalize your opponents rolls on reserve rolls though a 6 will always bring in enemy reserves. It’s fluffy for units of 1-4 Valkyries (125 base each) and the designer’s note tells us the combat role and pursuit and agility values of the Valkyrie have been included for players using Death from the Skies. 3. Adeptus Astra Telepathica I swear, they’re not all this short.  Here’s a unique detachment for the psykers: Psykana Division w/1 compulsory HQ (either Primaris Psyker or Astropath) …[God, I miss playing Rogue Trader] and an optional units of elites Wyrdvane Psykers . The bonus here allows for your HQ psykers near 5 or more Wyrdvane Psykers from this detachment a better chance to harness. The Primaris ne upgraded and take from the 4 usual expected lores. Astropaths give your army the ability to re-roll reserves in your next turn if he/she successfully manifests a psychic power this turn! Wyrdvanes come in units of 5 with brotherhood of psykers level 1 from the same 4 lores as the primaris. Wyrdvanes are already on sale for $15 for 3 so way cheaper than expected, If you have or like these models you can put them to good use but especially synergies with psykers or reserves. You can see how these are starting to stack...so maybe the order of publication does make sense after all… 4. Adepta Sororitas ( SoB) The best way I decided to do this is just list the entries for you to do your own comparison for whatever you may be wondering. We get two new detachments depending on if you want small bodyguard or an entire force. Ministorum Delegation lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. FLUFFY! As expected, they must be from the Adepta Sororitas faction. This grants Shield of Faith to the detachment making them tougher mentally and physically. The larger army detachment can buff your Army of Faith to prayer for dodging bad save rolls. The army still has the Act of Faith rule, Martyrdom, and 6 unique warlord traits. No new models today (beyond Canoness) but….I wanna see some Sisters on the battlefield! Includes also 7 relics and 6 tactical objectives. My fav is the Mantle of Ophelia granting Eternal Warrior. If you go to the webstore you’ll see these models. Canoness Ministorum Priest - cool older models looking like zealots, each fight sub phase can get a war hymn Uriah Jacobus Battle Sister Squad Repentia Squad Sororitas Command Squad Arco-flagellents Crusaders - power swords & storm shields can take rhino or immolator as dedicated transport Death Cult Assassins Celestian Squad Dominion Squad Seraphim Squad Sororitas Rhino Immolator Retributor Squad Exorcist Penitent Engines Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave formation - gains shield of faith 5. The Deathwatch A Deathwatch Kill Team allows you better shots at wounding or armor penetration. There’s a big list of wargear and your troops of Veterans can take a Corvus Blackstar flyer. Deathwatch (I don’t have their new codex) have special rules and Mission tactics. So as before you can get a bit of variety in the unit with lots of re-rolls. Nice! I played vs. an entire DW army and they can be nuts so it’s nice that someone with only a small force can use them. All their wargear and rules are included so you can run this detachment from this book. 6. Grey Knights We get full background and rules for demon-hunting Grey Knights ( GK) to form a Daemonhunter Strike Force. Much like GK in the codex, you can come in from the beginning and wreck face fast. This is not the full GK codex, of course. 7. Legion of the Damned This book gives the new Spectral Host detachment. We see Damned Legionanaires but this detachment starts in reserves and you can choose to come in when you feel is best. Again, a nice way to allow someone to ally or use a single LotD unit to get some variety to the army. 8. Officio Assassinorum This is fleshed out with the 4 assassins from the board game or also available individually where you can bring 1 or a formation, though each assassin is its own Assassinorum Operative detachment allowing a single elite assassin from Vindicare, Callidus, Eversor or Culexus temples. It gains bonuses for doing what Assassins do best.  But this is just more about using your assassins with all the info, data sheets, special rules and wargear from each Temple together in one spot. Worth a look even if you’re only kinda thinking about assassins. They also have a formation Execution Force where 1 from each of the 4 temples come with better shots at smoking their targets. Each assassin has a full datasheet with special rules. 9. (No one suspects…) The Inquisition Our final entry includes the full background and rules for agents of the Inquisition including data sheets, war gear, and a unique detachment. Again, if you don’t have the Inquisition codex, here ya go. Detachment gains authority of the inquisition. Once again, everything rules and wargear is in here for what’s in this book. We have the usual line-up from the The Inquisitor and a cool formation at the end to bring most of these previous factions togethers. So, that’s it. Overall, if you have these models or want to collect a select few, or have been playing the RPGs or video games and are jonesing for some Imperial Agents this lets you do that. There’s the odd formation, plus every faction gets a new detachment to make it work. I can see this being a book for players with these models or collectors but it does not replace those codexes that are in use. I liked it but was surprised they started with the super slim factions first. But I guess keep it a mix. That’s it! Let us know your thoughts and questions. The audio podcast for Combat Phase covering this book will have more discussion on using the book. But for now, see above for the contents. The only questions that matter atm are if the Acts of Faith are the same useless ones we have atm or if they have been reworked and if the Sisters have received drastic points reductions across the board. If same doodoo as before then they will probably be the same in the Sisters Codex keeping the army as a bottom tier turd like now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 07:23:37
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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I wish the review was more in-depth. I have way too many questions about the changes to Sisters. Like:
1. How do the formations break down exactly?
2. What is the change to Shield of Faith?
3. Are points lower or higher than before?
4. How did Acts of Faith change?
5. Did the full warhead/relic options for Sisters change?
6. Is there any reason to put a Canoness in a Sororitas Command Squad?
7. Is there finally a 2+ armour save option ala artificer armour or an equivalent?
8. What do the formation special rules for the units look like?
9. Do Penitent Engines have a reason to exist yet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 07:28:35
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Just checked out the NZ pricing on the sisters stuff.
Equivalent of £100UK pounds for a seraphim squad.
Ho ho ho citizen!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 08:13:34
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/10 08:19:55
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
They haven't rebound them. They will probably ship in simple white boxes like before. This whole situation is very strange. It is possible that that first hint was a poorly judged joke, but they really need to come out and clarify things. This feels like old, money grubbing GW. If they do come out with plastic sisters in a few weeks, everyone who spent money on metal will be justifiably pissed.
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