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2016/12/12 17:05:32
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Alternatively the Psykers are a useful if unfluffy option. Something with consistent anti-air would cover what many consider a glaring weakness the Sisters have.
JimOnMars wrote: So...if the sisters codex is invalidated, and yet it is still for sale, does that mean that GW is committing fraud?
It isn't invalidated until the release and no, they can sell old, outdated material all they want.
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2016/12/12 17:12:14
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
To me, it smells a lot like the GW creative team are just not digging the Sisters at all - they're going through the motions with them, that's all. A lack of interest at GW creative was what did for the Squats. None of this is suggestive of an upwards trajectory for the Sisters of Battle in 40k.
Don't blame them, judging by this thread and the spoilt attitude of the fanbase.
When is something going to be released then? I'd be curious to see these plastics, see if they are any use for Antares or in Rogue Stars.
Yeah, we're SOOOOO spoilt, not getting a single new model in over a decade, getting 1 pathetic cast off while our codex gets butchered. There's whining and then there's being devestated by disappointment and abuse. If you can't tell the difference just go away.
2016/12/12 17:17:36
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JimOnMars wrote: So...if the sisters codex is invalidated, and yet it is still for sale, does that mean that GW is committing fraud?
No? How's that fraud?
It'd be fraud only if they stated the old digital was mandatory or the most up to date codex. Even then it borders more on crappy business practices than actual fraud.
JimOnMars wrote: So...if the sisters codex is invalidated, and yet it is still for sale, does that mean that GW is committing fraud?
No? How's that fraud?
Wow, I hadn't noticed that they had updated their web page:
The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army.
I guess that guess that gets them off the hook.
2016/12/12 17:22:59
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Melissia wrote: Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.
That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)
Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.
No one is failing to grasp that.... it's just them pushing old metal Sisters in a new release reducing the chance of plastic Sisters in the near future.
It doesn't, does it? It just means GW can sell some of what they already have before replacing it with the new.
It's not really something GW typically do, they don't usually push old models shortly before replacing them except I think during End Times, even then I'm not sure they really "pushed" the models they killed like TK and Brets like they currently are with Sisters.
When GW replaces model, they tend to go dark on the old models, stop producing them and let them sell out naturally. In recent times they've had "Last Chance To Buy" and "Made to Order" before killing off ranges which is nice.
But this release reduces my confidence in plastic Sisters in the near future because it's not something I'd expect GW to do.
Melissia wrote: Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.
That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)
Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.
No one is failing to grasp that.... it's just them pushing old metal Sisters in a new release reducing the chance of plastic Sisters in the near future.
By saying that 'A' must affect 'B', then you are in fact falling into the trap of connecting the two. And it isn't clear at all that this is the case.
I never said it was clear, I said "reducing the chance".
All we are doing is weighing up the evidence...
1. Offhand remark on WHTV about plastic Sisters. 2. Some rumours of plastic Sisters. 3. GW pushing old metal Sisters in a new release.
The first two obviously increase the likelihood of plastic Sisters, the last one reduces it.
Turn it around -- would it be "better" for GW to release this book and have no Sisters model support accompanying it?
I think if GW were likely to be replacing Sisters in the near future, I'd expect to see nothing. I'd expect them to not be included in this book at all. I think it's poor planning for this book to come out just before plastic Sisters instead of just after them.
GW do suck at planning, but as I said, it reduces my confidence that plastic Sisters are around the corner.
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2016/12/12 17:28:54
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
ShaneMarsh wrote: Question: If I use the Inq Warband and I get a Battle Sister Squad, can I buy an Immo for hat squad? It is in the squad options and all.
You could, but they wouldn't be able to ride in it. There's only enough room in an Immo for the 5-model squad and an IC, so the unit of Acolytes forces them out of it. Least that's how it looks from here.
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2016/12/12 17:29:26
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Plastic Sisters aren't coming. January will be more chaos gak, then february switches to Sigmar then marines->chaos->xenos->back to sigmar. They haven't even started work on new models and aren't going to.
2016/12/12 17:33:48
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
ERJAK wrote: Plastic Sisters aren't coming. January will be more chaos gak, then february switches to Sigmar then marines->chaos->xenos->back to sigmar. They haven't even started work on new models and aren't going to.
Can you prove that? I think not!
2016/12/12 17:34:02
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
While that does seem properly bitter and cynical-- I salute you-- it isn't actually a confirmed thing yet and is merely conjecture. When they release the actual shipping schedules for Q1 similar to the ones we saw that confirmed the new canoness mini, then we'll have final word.
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2016/12/12 17:40:54
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Melissia wrote: While that does seem properly bitter and cynical-- I salute you-- it isn't actually a confirmed thing yet and is merely conjecture. When they release the actual shipping schedules for Q1 similar to the ones we saw that confirmed the new canoness mini, then we'll have final word.
There's been a guy on faeit in the comments who been saying that he's spoken with people in the design studio who's told him that no one has even started on Sisters and that it'd be 2-3 years if they got going right now. I dismissed it before this abomination happened but now it's making more and more sense.
2016/12/12 17:42:34
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
So basically "I read on the internet that this guy knows a guy and that guy talked to a guy..."
I mean come on, if you're going to be skeptical, at least be skeptical consistently.
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2016/12/12 17:43:36
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Melissia wrote: While that does seem properly bitter and cynical-- I salute you-- it isn't actually a confirmed thing yet and is merely conjecture. When they release the actual shipping schedules for Q1 similar to the ones we saw that confirmed the new canoness mini, then we'll have final word.
There's been a guy on faeit in the comments who been saying that he's spoken with people in the design studio who's told him that no one has even started on Sisters and that it'd be 2-3 years if they got going right now. I dismissed it before this abomination happened but now it's making more and more sense.
Maybe if it was a credible source...but so far it's literally nothing compared to a very credible source. Yet you believe them more...
Sisters and Wolves 4000
~4000 points of Skaven
~2000 Kaptain Gitklaw's Grots
~2400 Kharadron Overlords
4x Imperial Knights
2016/12/12 17:44:36
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Oh and warhammer's facebook responded to a question about the dust bin video being a joke with 'do you believe everything you hear from inside a dust bin!?' Clearly tone-deaf to the tone of the discussion.
2016/12/12 17:44:40
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
StupidYellow wrote: Quite frankly that warhammer tv thing was a spiteful joke. They should just come out and admit it.[
What did they do?
They said that there was a Sisters of Battle sprue in the bin and that it wouldn't be out for a few months.
That is *not* what they said. At no point did GW ever say anything close to that. What you have is a lot of wishful thinking.
They showed a trash can,
One voice goes "what's this, these aren't coming out for months."
Another voice asks, incredulously "Sisters of Battle?"
Fade to black.
It was obviously in jest, and VERY FUNNY, and would have been better punctuated with a rimshot before the close. Or maybe Porky Pig popping up afterward.
But we all know how good Sisters players are taking a joke...
At no point did GW ever promise Sisters of Battle plastics.
Immediately afterward, we did get Sisters of Silence in the BoP box, and that is the most obvious "Sisters" connection.
As for people rumoring for the Sisters Codex, welp, here it is! Enjoy!
Melissia wrote: While that does seem properly bitter and cynical-- I salute you-- it isn't actually a confirmed thing yet and is merely conjecture. When they release the actual shipping schedules for Q1 similar to the ones we saw that confirmed the new canoness mini, then we'll have final word.
There's been a guy on faeit in the comments who been saying that he's spoken with people in the design studio who's told him that no one has even started on Sisters and that it'd be 2-3 years if they got going right now. I dismissed it before this abomination happened but now it's making more and more sense.
Maybe if it was a credible source...but so far it's literally nothing compared to a very credible source. Yet you believe them more...
It' s not about believing or not believing, so much as probability. Evidence is stacking up against the Sisters just as quickly as it was stacking up FOR them before.
Look, I want to be wrong here, I really do, and I would happily take whatever abuse I deserve if so but it's looking worse and worse by the hour.
2016/12/12 17:48:41
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
I want to add something on the very post that this picture comes from somebody directly asks if they mean the canoness or other plastic sisters In the video.
They respond by saying do you believe everything you hear in /from a bin
I think that's basically conformation of no plastic sisters
S.Y.
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2016/12/12 17:49:02
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Melissia wrote: While that does seem properly bitter and cynical-- I salute you-- it isn't actually a confirmed thing yet and is merely conjecture. When they release the actual shipping schedules for Q1 similar to the ones we saw that confirmed the new canoness mini, then we'll have final word.
There's been a guy on faeit in the comments who been saying that he's spoken with people in the design studio who's told him that no one has even started on Sisters and that it'd be 2-3 years if they got going right now. I dismissed it before this abomination happened but now it's making more and more sense.
Maybe if it was a credible source...but so far it's literally nothing compared to a very credible source. Yet you believe them more...
It' s not about believing or not believing, so much as probability. Evidence is stacking up against the Sisters just as quickly as it was stacking up FOR them before.
Look, I want to be wrong here, I really do, and I would happily take whatever abuse I deserve if so but it's looking worse and worse by the hour.
Nothing is stacking up at all. The rumour was Q1 2017. It's not even 2017 and you're all going ballistic over every little thing, calling all the rumours wrong and spelling out the doom for SoB. Maybe...I dunno..wait for 2017?
Sisters and Wolves 4000
~4000 points of Skaven
~2000 Kaptain Gitklaw's Grots
~2400 Kharadron Overlords
4x Imperial Knights
2016/12/12 17:50:14
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
ShaneMarsh wrote: Question: If I use the Inq Warband and I get a Battle Sister Squad, can I buy an Immo for hat squad? It is in the squad options and all.
You could, but they wouldn't be able to ride in it. There's only enough room in an Immo for the 5-model squad and an IC, so the unit of Acolytes forces them out of it. Least that's how it looks from here.
Wasn't the question "can the sisters buy an Immolator as their DT and board it"? That'd be a "Yes". I'd say it's obvious you can't cram 7+ models inside of one transport with a capacity of 6, nor can you cram 2 different units inside of the same transport without at least all but one unit being ICs or there being some kind of special rule allowing it anyway.
2016/12/12 17:52:26
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
nekooni wrote: Wasn't the question "can the sisters buy an Immolator as their DT and board it"? That'd be a "Yes".
Now the next question becomes "why would you do that?", to which the response must necessarily be "because I want to have an empty Immolator rolling around the table while my BSS, Acolytes and not-Warlord bimble around in the backfield trying to shoot stuff with Meltaguns".
So to rephrase my original response - yes you can, but if they can't ride in it then why would you bother?
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2016/12/12 17:53:50
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
nekooni wrote: Wasn't the question "can the sisters buy an Immolator as their DT and board it"? That'd be a "Yes".
Now the next question becomes "why would you do that?", to which the response must necessarily be "because I want to have an empty Immolator rolling around the table while my BSS, Acolytes and not-Warlord bimble around in the backfield trying to shoot stuff with Meltaguns".
So to rephrase my original response - yes you can, but if they can't ride in it then why would you bother?
Why can't a Squad of Sisters board an Immolator? Enlighten me, please.
2016/12/12 17:55:24
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
False dichotomy. If, say, a third of players used Celestine, then it is true that she was pretty popular, AND it is true that a lot of people didn't use her.
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