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**Eppelwhat**

Don't models from the same codex get to use their own transports? This is one Codex, right? So shouldn't everybody get to deploy in everybody's transports?

**AnomanderRake**

Eppelwhat wrote:
Don't models from the same codex get to use their own transports? This is one Codex, right? So shouldn't everybody get to deploy in everybody's transports?

...Deathwatch in Valkyries!

**gungo**

nekooni wrote:
gungo wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
Gungo, what's with the attitude?
The fact is this detschment says nothing about limiting inqusitors from this book. It says any unique inquisitor so forgeworld is open game.

Noone claimed otherwise, but which book are you using exactly? I've been unable to find that "ObSec" rule on Hector so far.

The old 6th ed downloadable character update from forgeworld
https://i.yuki.la/tg/1402337392680.pdf

However his psychic powers were changed later on to sanctic: focus, banishment, sanctuary and hammerhand. As noted He is an inqusitor character so perils is an issue.

**Lockark**

So kinda a funny thing I was thinking of.... Since the Valkyries can be now taken as a imperial Navy Detachment, dose this mean you could do a army of Grav-chuteing Sisters of Battle? lol

**Ghaz**

Eppelwhat wrote:
Don't models from the same codex get to use their own transports? This is one Codex, right? So shouldn't everybody get to deploy in everybody's transports?

No. It's not the same codex, it's the same faction that matters.

**Eppelwhat**

Ghaz wrote:
Eppelwhat wrote:
Don't models from the same codex get to use their own transports? This is one Codex, right? So shouldn't everybody get to deploy in everybody's transports?

No. It's not the same codex, it's the same faction that matters.

I was under the impression that was defined by the Codex.

"In the case of older publications, the Faction of all units described in the codex is the same as the codex's title. In the case of codex supplements, the Faction of all the units described in that publication is the same as the codex it is a supplement of."

This is a new codex, not a supplement, right? So the Faction (capital F) is "Imperial Agents." Right?

Aww, nuts. Wrong. The leak shows different "factions." No Valkyries for the Deathwatch.

**Lanlaorn**

No Valkyries for anyone, unless someone we haven't seen yet allows it. It's a pretty dumb set up.

**casvalremdeikun**

Lanlaorn wrote:
No Valkyries for anyone, unless someone we haven't seen yet allows it. It's a pretty dumb set up.

The book itself is just sounding more and more like a jumbled mess. It has gone from Likely Buy to EFF NO! for me. At this point, I would only get it to have print rules for my Assassins and have an alternate way to use my Deathwatch.

**Twoshoes23**

Can anyone tell me if the Repressor transport is now invalid as a S.O.B transport? It would really suck that after all that time ebay hunting for the conversion kit. Finally painting it, that now i cant even use it. Would really suck

**casvalremdeikun**

Twoshoes23 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if the Repressor transport is now invalid as a S.O.B transport? It would really suck that after all that time ebay hunting for the conversion kit. Finally painting it, that now i cant even use it. Would really suck

Isn't the Repressor a Forgeworld kit? If so, it won't be covered in this book.

**pretre**

You'll want to email forgeworld about that one.

**axisofentropy**

gungo wrote:
nekooni wrote:
gungo wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
Gungo, what's with the attitude?
The fact is this detschment says nothing about limiting inqusitors from this book. It says any unique inquisitor so forgeworld is open game.

Noone claimed otherwise, but which book are you using exactly? I've been unable to find that "ObSec" rule on Hector so far.

The old 6th ed downloadable character update from forgeworld
https://i.yuki.la/tg/1402337392680.pdf

However his psychic powers were changed later on to sanctic: focus, banishment, sanctuary and hammerhand. As noted He is an inqusitor character so perils is an issue.

thanks for this link. This PDF says those inquisitors are HQ choices for Grey Knight armies. Was there another FAQ making them Inquisition?

**Lockark**

Lanlaorn wrote:
No Valkyries for anyone, unless someone we haven't seen yet allows it. It's a pretty dumb set up.

Yah I know, but being able to easily get them for the SoB with out takeing full IG allies sounds like it could create interesting options for the SoB.

**CragHack**

If there's only 1 HQ per INQ detachment, I call it a nerf. Well, at least IG just became more gakky than they used to be.

**MadCowCrazy**

Lockark wrote:
Lanlaorn wrote:
No Valkyries for anyone, unless someone we haven't seen yet allows it. It's a pretty dumb set up.

Then what is in the aeronautica imperialis section in the table of content?

Valkyries and Officer of the Fleet, everything in the codex has it's own faction and ally using the rules from the BRB as Battle Brothers.

What this means is that you can take as many Valkyries as you want but the only thing you can start in them are the Officers of the Fleet as you can't start the game in an allied transport. So the best you can do is come in turn 2, pick up a unit, fly forwards on turn 3, drop off the unit, if it is still there charge on turn 4.

This codex is a garbled mess, I was expecting so much more since codicies up to this point have been really good. This is just a half assed compilation of things with not thought put into...

**Eppelwhat**

Inquisition Henchman Kill Teams get the axe, too, apparently. Man. I had such high hopes!

**H.B.M.C.**

MadCowCrazy wrote:
What this means is that you can take as many Valkyries as you want but the only thing you can start in them are the Officers of the Fleet as you can't start the game in an allied transport. So the best you can do is come in turn 2, pick up a unit, fly forwards on turn 3, drop off the unit, if it is still there charge on turn 4.

I'd say that they should have included a formation rule that allows, oh I dunno, anything save 4+ or worse to start in an allied Valk taken from this book.

But then I'd be advocating yet another special rule be added to a game that has a few hundred special rules it doesn't need.

**JB_Man**

This book sounds like a disappointing piece of trash, coming from a sisters of battle player.

I'm just going to keep using my digital book and skip this release... I'm also buying my Grishnak sisters. GW is not earning my money like this.

**Thunderfrog**

JB_Man wrote:
This book sounds like a disappointing piece of trash, coming from a sisters of battle player. I'm just going to keep using my digital book and skip this release... I'm also buying my Grishnak sisters. GW is not earning my money like this.

I'd like to, but if GW says this replaces the digital, we don't have much choice.

Anyone had a chance to debunk the leaked decurion and auxillary formations for Sisters listed on Blood of Kittens in their "leaks" section?

Here's a spoiler for reference.

Spoiler:

**ShaneMarsh**

Thunderfrog wrote:
JB_Man wrote:
This book sounds like a disappointing piece of trash, coming from a sisters of battle player. I'm just going to keep using my digital book and skip this release... I'm also buying my Grishnak sisters. GW is not earning my money like this.

I'd like to, but if GW says this replaces the digital, we don't have much choice.

Anyone had a chance to debunk the leaked decurion and auxillary formations for Sisters listed on Blood of Kittens in their "leaks" section?

Here's a spoiler for reference.

Spoiler:

Sisters of Battle
Ministorum Delegation: Lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. Must be from Adepta Sororitas faction. Grants both Shield of Faith.

Army of Faith: Improved prayer (Shield of Faith?)

Fury of Angels

Celestians + Seraphim
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them

Angelic Host
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12″ reroll SOF

Forward Crusade
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads

Wrath Squadron
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent

The Penitent Host
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere

Hammer of Wrath
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both

Purge Squadron
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter

Emperors Hate – Core
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF

Crusade of Daughters – Core
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF – pick Doms or Rets AoF

Hymns of War – Decurion
Reroll WL
No AoF test
Stubborn

We've seen a table of contents for the whole book that discredits that whole list. Ministorum Delegation and Army of Faith are in- and mediocre at best- rest of the list is fake. The Delegation is especially awful. Who does it benefit?

**Thunderfrog**

Well crap.

I assume then, this also removes Avenger Strike Fighters from my lists? Or will them being FW save them?

**ShaneMarsh**

Thunderfrog wrote:

Well crap.

I assume then, this also removes Avenger Strike Fighters from my lists? Or will them being FW save them?

I'd think all FW things remain as valid as they were before.

**Loopstah**

I imagine they will pull the Inq and sisters e-books on Saturday when this turd is officially released, if this doesn't happen I will consider both valid.

**JB_Man**

I don't understand why you would remove Celestine, though. She was so iconic, and so powerful. The book really needed an assault unit that wasn't a total piece of trash, and she filled a lot of roles.

**kodos**

Because a force that is just made to be allied don't need a named charackter nor it needs to fill every role on the field

**oldzoggy**

Eppelwhat wrote:
Don't models from the same codex get to use their own transports? This is one Codex, right? So shouldn't everybody get to deploy in everybody's transports?

Yeah but those valks are of the navy faction and the rest of an other book =/= faction ; )

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ShaneMarsh wrote:

We've seen a table of contents for the whole book that discredits that whole list. Ministorum Delegation and Army of Faith are in- and mediocre at best- rest of the list is fake. The Delegation is especially awful. Who does it benefit?

INQ players who want their non acylote infested henchman squads back.
Also any imperial player who wants to have a priest.

**terry**

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Thunderfrog wrote:
JB_Man wrote:
This book sounds like a disappointing piece of trash, coming from a sisters of battle player. I'm just going to keep using my digital book and skip this release... I'm also buying my Grishnak sisters. GW is not earning my money like this.

I'd like to, but if GW says this replaces the digital, we don't have much choice.

Anyone had a chance to debunk the leaked decurion and auxillary formations for Sisters listed on Blood of Kittens in their "leaks" section?

Here's a spoiler for reference.

Spoiler:

Sisters of Battle
Ministorum Delegation: Lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. Must be from Adepta Sororitas faction. Grants both Shield of Faith.

Army of Faith: Improved prayer (Shield of Faith?)

Fury of Angels

Celestians + Seraphim
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them

Angelic Host
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12″ reroll SOF

Forward Crusade
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads

Wrath Squadron
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent

The Penitent Host
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere

Hammer of Wrath
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both

Purge Squadron
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter

Emperors Hate – Core
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF

Crusade of Daughters – Core
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF – pick Doms or Rets AoF

Hymns of War – Decurion
Reroll WL
No AoF test
Stubborn

We've seen a table of contents for the whole book that discredits that whole list. Ministorum Delegation and Army of Faith are in- and mediocre at best- rest of the list is fake. The Delegation is especially awful. Who does it benefit?

Then mabey its for the sister codex, thats still being rumored for Q1 2017

**nekooni**

gungo wrote:
nekooni wrote:
gungo wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
Gungo, what's with the attitude?
The fact is this detschment says nothing about limiting inqusitors from this book. It says any unique inquisitor so forgeworld is open game.

Noone claimed otherwise, but which book are you using exactly? I've been unable to find that "ObSec" rule on Hector so far.

The old 6th ed downloadable character update from forgeworld
https://i.yuki.la/tg/1402337392680.pdf

However his psychic powers were changed later on to sanctic: focus, banishment, sanctuary and hammerhand. As noted He is an inqusitor character so perils is an issue.

Thanks! However that says he's just Scoring, not ObSec.

**NivlacSupreme**

pretre wrote:
That sounds like the rules from the book not the le canoness.

You're right. I thought "the art of an old model" referred to the vintage Canoness. So that makes vanilla Canoness' better I presume?

**Viper666**

nekooni wrote:
MadCowCrazy wrote:
Hmm, now that I look it again am I mistaken on the units? It says 0-1 Crusaders, Arco, Death Cult... they do mean units right? or is it really 0-1 models? If so this formations is pretty much useless. I thought you could create a 50 model death star but this seems rather slowed...?

It's units. They're using plural and that's what the units are called, too - so "0-1 DCAs" translates to "either 0 or 2-10 DCA models".

The Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband is 1 "unit" of Acolytes and for all other models, it's 0-1 model, not 0-1 "unit" of Models.... this means you can only have 1 of each models as stated on the new FAQ.

FAQ
Q: When listing Formations, sometimes it states ‘1 model’ (like 1 Tomb Spyder), while other times it lists ‘1 Unit of models’ (like 1 unit of Tomb Blades). Are these interchangeable?
A: No. The former means a single model of the type listed, while the later means a single unit of the type listed.

The datasheet picture clearly shows multiple assassins, acoflagellants and crusaders.....

It's because DCA (and probably Crusaders too) are a 2 models unit (with option to buy 8 more)... since their blister come in pack of 2. Arco-flagellants will probably be a 3 models unit (as in the picture) with option to buy probably 6-9 more) since they come in blisters of 3....
But as for the FAQ ruling, you won't be able to buy more models in the formation.
This is probably why you also get 0-6 Daemonhosts (because they'll probably come as 1-model unit with options to buy more)....