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**Just Tony**

pm713 wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.

Hence it was axed and replaced.

While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.

Fantasy was making a profit. It just wasn't making one GW was satisfied with.

Fantasy was axed because they wanted Space Marine players to buy Fantasy models.

It also seems like nobody thought of just improving it instead.

Or even advertising to get a larger player base since apparently every player already had an army, according to some. There were a thousand ways to handle it, and none of the good ways were even tried.

BACK to the discussion, how many of the 40K models shown in the leaks weren't on monstrous creature sized bases?

**General Kroll**

Mr Morden wrote:
now just need to stop GW sending me emails telling me the Canonness is in

lol I'm not the only one then. I'm getting an email every minute. I've had about three hundred so far...

**ZebioLizard2**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Didn't save Belegar. I don't think the Glotkin appeared in AoS lore either.
I reckon Celestine is doomed. She's written as organising the initial defence of Cadia, right? Which means she has to die horribly at the end of the first book so the Space Marines can take over command and use her demise as resolve to smash le heretics 4 de Emprah. Creed is probably going to get killed off-screen too.

Glottkin was the major antagonist during the Sylvaneth plotline. Alarielle personally kicked their ass and then kicked them out of the realm of life.

Oh Celestine will die in some dramatic, over the top fashion. But then she'll come right back again, as that is pretty much her whole point. Continual resurrection.

The Glottkin aren't Technically dead, as they had transformed into flies... However Nurgle was very displeased and shoved them in some jars because they failed him so utterly.

So they are technically alive, they are just stuck somewhere in Nurgle's home.

**Cephalobeard**

Someone on Bolter and Chains word is saying they enhanced Cawls rule page and his point value is 455. I'm having a hard time believing that number.

**H.B.M.C.**

455 for a T6 model that's not an MC? I guess he has Eternal Warrior (at 10K years old, he'd have to have it, right?).

**Cephalobeard**

He'd need to be BETTER than almost any Knight.

**Cothonian**

That has to be some kind of mistake

**casvalremdeikun**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
455 for a T6 model that's not an MC? I guess he has Eternal Warrior (at 10K years old, he'd have to have it, right?).

It Will Not Die, Eternal Warrior, and Feel No Pain 2+, then we will start talking. Honestly though, Magnus is 650 and he has better stats, harnesses on 2+, never perils, and knows 13 powers. So Cawl better be a frickin' monster.

**pretre**

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?

Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.

Source? Or is this from you?

**DarkStarSabre**

pretre wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?

Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.

Source? Or is this from you?

pretre mate - this looks more like pure made up rumour from him.

It wouldn't make sense for Celestine's 'unit' to be a dual kit - for one, they only showed the 3 and they looked far too fancy to be a basic unit. I honestly think it's going to be Celestine and some bodyguards in a single force org slot.

Pretty sure if it was a dual kit it would be at least 5 models as the Seraphim minimum squad size is 5.

**alphaecho**

General Kroll wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
now just need to stop GW sending me emails telling me the Canonness is in

lol I'm not the only one then. I'm getting an email every minute. I've had about three hundred so far...

I've woken upto another 100 past the 96 I deleted yesterday.

It has only happened on one of my e-mail accounts though. I wouldn't mind but that is the e-mail account I used to buy the figure!

**tneva82**

Imateria wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Rayvon wrote:

WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.

Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.

Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).

I'm talking about ALL games. Competing with warmachine, x-wing etc that were out there when GW decided to can it.

FB was selling just fine. Just not same as 40k so GW decided to can it. After that sales fell but gee no surprise when you don't release much and quality of what you release is not what it was before you dropped support. Same effect was seen past year with 40k. New releases dropped, 40k sales dropped. Sales mostly come from new releases so if you release little you get little sales. GW decided to can FB and so had very little releases compared to what it used to be. No wonder sales dropped quickly!

**methebest**

Cephalobeard wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Dorn, wearing a big ol' suit of Centurion armor and a power fist.
THAT IS NOT FETHING CANON.

It could be, though!

It should be.

**tneva82**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They won't do that though. Valten and Archaon were the stars of a world wide campaign. Celestine is a co-star of a supplement. It's not quite on the same scale. It would be nice to see, but it won't happen. Besides, that's quite a nice part of Celestine's story. That she was an ordinary woman (a repentia in fact if my memory serves), not some golden poster boy.

Well Valten was a blacksmith. Don't get much more ordinary from that.

**Vain**

tneva82 wrote:
I'm talking about ALL games. Competing with warmachine, x-wing etc that were out there when GW decided to can it.

FB was selling just fine. Just not same as 40k so GW decided to can it. After that sales fell but gee no surprise when you don't release much and quality of what you release is not what it was before you dropped support. Same effect was seen past year with 40k. New releases dropped, 40k sales dropped. Sales mostly come from new releases so if you release little you get little sales. GW decided to can FB and so had very little releases compared to what it used to be. No wonder sales dropped quickly!

Is that for real? Do you mind if I ask what list/rating/whatever you are getting this from? I would love to check it out.

I think I have only seen the ICv2 lists (for non-Collectable miniature games) and even as far back as 2014 WFB was out of the Top 5 so couldn't say how low.
Also, I can't, off the top of my head, say when End Times came out.

Spoiler:

**tneva82**

Elbows wrote:
I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.

Hence it was axed and replaced.

While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.

That's if you assume "not profitable" means not selling as much as 40k.

It was profitable. When GW decided to kill it it was still top-3 selling game of all games. Sales only started to drop _after_ they dropped resources and with it new releases.

It was profitable. Just not enough for GW who thinks every line can sell what 40k sells. They are happy to can games that sells 400% of their own expectations because it does not still sell enough. That's the kind of company GW was 2012.

**Sersi**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
pretre wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?

Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.

Source? Or is this from you?

pretre mate - this looks more like pure made up rumour from him.

It wouldn't make sense for Celestine's 'unit' to be a dual kit - for one, they only showed the 3 and they looked far too fancy to be a basic unit. I honestly think it's going to be Celestine and some bodyguards in a single force org slot.

Pretty sure if it was a dual kit it would be at least 5 models as the Seraphim minimum squad size is 5.

Agreed. He likely heard that on BOLS or Faeit. There's no way any of that is true.

**Kaiyanwang**

DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Isn't that just poetic justice? Blizzard borrows heavily from GW's IP to make Warcraft, then GW returns the favor to make Tyranids actually look scary.

But Oxayotl is the real winner here, since we are discussing his troll bait.

Blizzard and GW copy each other since the beginning. Generally speaking, everyone wins, because the concepts are great (excluding estethic in some AoS model that could be considered wow-ish).

Also, Tyranids are a mix of many creatures and specific monsters copy from several Sci-fi and real life animals. Is Their appeal.

Their mouth is generally more similar to vertebrate like dinos, but they have (apparently) both internal skeletons and carapace.

On topic: the sisters leaked look promising. I like too that they used a different body type compared to the SoS.

**Vorian**

And the award for the tiniest complaint of 2016 goes to...

**YeOldSaltPotato**

pretre wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?

Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.

Source? Or is this from you?

Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.

Better time frame than most of these things at the very least.

That said, they seemed to consider her being part of the kit to be cool because it means you can customize a hero, which is pretty rare. And I'm going to guess either it's going to be a very painful 3 model kit to buy, or they just showed us three because it looks good in a picture.

**casvalremdeikun**

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
pretre wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?

Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.

Source? Or is this from you?

Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source.

Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.

**YeOldSaltPotato**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.

Understandable, I just want to tap dance on the doomsayers if this is right having caught it while the whining and gnashing of teeth was at full steam found it worth no to sign up and stop lurking to put out there. And hell if I'm wrong I'm going to be disappointed as sin.

That said I heard nothing about a codex. But it was nothing either way so I can't say much there.

**mmzero252**

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.

Understandable, I just want to tap dance on the doomsayers if this is right having caught it while the whining and gnashing of teeth was at full steam found it worth no to sign up and stop lurking to put out there. And hell if I'm wrong I'm going to be disappointed as sin.

That said I heard nothing about a codex. But it was nothing either way so I can't say much there.

At least if you're right about the basic troops box coming out, it may come with enough options to be more than half of the sisters units. Since..almost all of their army is basically just a different helmet or weapon on a battle sister.

**Messiah**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Galef wrote:
Nids may behave like Locusts, but they VERY much look like six-limbed armour-plated Dinos

They're a mix of the bugs from Starship Troopers and the xenomorphs from Alien. They have nothing at all to do with dinosaurs.

Their original design was dinosaur influenced. Hence the 2nd ed Tyranids having tails, the reptillian scales, those teeth and their general stance. Do I have to fish out the WD where they were released? Iirc it had an article about their design and Jes stating there was a strong dinosaur influence in the Tyranid range.

I remember reading that article. I did a double-take, and then looked at my tyranids fron Tyranid Attack (that preceded the 2nd ed. Tyranids by a year or too), thinking "yeah, Dinosaurs with STINGERS and a beelike behind, and six limbs, like insects?". It was incomprehensible back then, and, I think, just a way to make their IP seem unique.

**Grimmor**

So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTF GW?

**Hanskrampf**

Grimmor wrote:
So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTF GW?

They produce in the UK, so yeah, a new batch would be available there first, while stock is shipped to the US and other countries. Shocking, I know.

**General Kroll**

Grimmor wrote:
So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTF GW?

She's DEFINITELY available in Britain. I've had about 400 emails from GW telling me so, they only stopped at about 2.30am

**Fayric**

tneva82 wrote:
Elbows wrote:
I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.

Hence it was axed and replaced.

While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.

That's if you assume "not profitable" means not selling as much as 40k.

It was profitable. When GW decided to kill it it was still top-3 selling game of all games. Sales only started to drop _after_ they dropped resources and with it new releases.

It was profitable. Just not enough for GW who thinks every line can sell what 40k sells. They are happy to can games that sells 400% of their own expectations because it does not still sell enough. That's the kind of company GW was 2012.

Well, someone saw potential in a compleat redux, and was probably proven to be right, considering how things are currently going.
Also, lets not forget AoS gave GW an opportunity to move away from any generic fantasy product with iffy trademark potential.
Lets face it, Fantasy was full of generic fantasy/historical themes they could not protect with commercial law.
Thats why we wont see any brettonians (and didnt for a long time), and why the age of sigmar is instead populated with "Orruks" and "Duardin".
Then again, sylvaneth is pretty generic, so perhaps Im on the wrong track here.

**tneva82**

Fayric wrote:
Also, lets not forget AoS gave GW an opportunity to move away from any generic fantasy product with iffy trademark potential.
Lets face it, Fantasy was full of generic fantasy/historical themes they could not protect with commercial law.
Thats why we wont see any brettonians (and didnt for a long time), and why the age of sigmar is instead populated with "Orruks" and "Duardin".
Then again, sylvaneth is pretty generic, so perhaps Im on the wrong track here.

And all that doesn't help preventing 3rd parties from making compatible products. They never learn.

Actually only thing it does is ensure anybody interested in orcs doesn't easily find their products. However all interested in orruks can find not only GW's models but also 3rd party equilavents. So GW limited their customer base.

**Anpu-adom**

There are so many asides in this thread
I can't keep it all in my head.
Between Zerg and Fantasy
It's not hard to see
That Rule #1 Must be Dead