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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I like it. The pose is simple but with focus. It's not garish or over the top blinged out like most of the AoS or 40k range. It's a good classic style matching the original LotR range. He immediately struck me as taking inspiration from Amdur from the Easterling range. Which with this being Khamul is very appropriate.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
If that's about the size of a Marine I'll buy one for the sole purpose of cutting off the hand/weapon for a Marine model.

It's 28 mm realistic scale. A marine will look like an ape next to him.

It's still a cool piece for clubbing filthy heretics.

Might be good for my eventual Silas Alberic.

 Fireball wrote:
Forge World Preview: Khamûl the Easterling

That paint jobs so bad I didn't even notice the terrible proportions.

Well with black and metal not much one can do.

Proportions are bit off but I like pose. Maybe would be bit better if left fist would be pointing with finger at something. Still wouldn't have problem with this. Beats overblinged models at least.

The GW Nazgûl all have simple poses, they aren't leaping or jumping or anything crazy like that, but they all have their momentum.

This Khamul just literally has no pose. He's right there, standing without transmiting any kind of emotion or feeling, with his short legs.

Just look at them, they are bastly superior in proportions and phose (And I'm sure, even in price)




This is my favourite one:


Heck. Just look at the generic Nazgûl. They are basically the same, a specre without a face and a black robe, but they all have their own unique and interesting phoses. Not a single one is in a pose so emotionless as this Khamul from FW:


This Khamul is a BIG step backwards compared with all the other Nazgul miniatures GW has produced.

Wow. Just staggering how much better those all look over this new guy. The first one in that batch you posted, Galas, is really a gem. So much depth to the armor. Dynamic/menacing poses too - not static. Correct proportions as well!

Thanks for that, Galas. That was the point I was trying to make - but the visuals make the case better.

Swing and a miss...for sure. Shame as the old LOTR line was relatively good - though the plastic goblins were terrible.

Think people are going a little overboard on how bad it is. Don't get me wrong, it's not particularly good, it's just not completely irredeemably awful.

I actually think the paint on the black clothing is decent. It's more subtle and realistic than the jarring edge highlights on the older models Galas posted (though the sculpts are far superior).

Yeah, he mostly just needs some platform knees to make his legs the right length. The remaining proportions are actually good as long as you don’t forget he’s wearing massive spiky armour over his sleeves.
Oh and maybe a pose that is less “wait, what was that Keith? Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention…”

Special bundle deal on a 280mm-scale space marine today, if you have lots of money to spend. Oh, and an open day ticket, because apparently those still happen even though we don't learn much from it anymore?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, he mostly just needs some platform knees to make his legs the right length. The remaining proportions are actually good as long as you don’t forget he’s wearing massive spiky armour over his sleeves.
Oh and maybe a pose that is less “wait, what was that Keith? Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention…”

The pose is a little like the angry neighbour looking for the kids who keep playing Ding Dong Ditch.

Roughly a £140 saved on the Warlord Titan bundle. Wonder if they have been struggling to sell them recently?

The last few FW months have been so lame that I just stopped caring and opening their www every Friday. Now I see that I haven't missed anything important

 Looky Likey wrote:
Roughly a £140 saved on the Warlord Titan bundle. Wonder if they have been struggling to sell them recently?

Possibly, anyone who wanted one and had the money will have bought a custom one by now.
I expect they need to shift the excess parts to make space for new stock.

The last few FW months have been so lame that I just stopped caring and opening their www every Friday. Now I see that I haven't missed anything important

Have forgeworld ever released anything partciularly interesting around christmas time?
It would bite into production time in thier busiest period.

Have forgeworld ever released anything partciularly interesting around christmas time?
It would bite into production time in thier busiest period.

They released Knight Porphyrion just in time for christmas, last year

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 Galas wrote:
The GW Nazgûl all have simple poses, they aren't leaping or jumping or anything crazy like that, but they all have their momentum.

This Khamul just literally has no pose. He's right there, standing without transmiting any kind of emotion or feeling, with his short legs.

Just look at them, they are bastly superior in proportions and phose (And I'm sure, even in price)

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Heck. Just look at the generic Nazgûl. They are basically the same, a specre without a face and a black robe, but they all have their own unique and interesting phoses. Not a single one is in a pose so emotionless as this Khamul from FW:

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This Khamul is a BIG step backwards compared with all the other Nazgul miniatures GW has produced.

There is nothing wrong with the pose. Not every pose needs momentum, especially if it is for a commander. The pose carries a bit of a feel of menacing calm. Or it would, if he would not have been standing there on his really cute short little legs
Oh god, those legs. They make the miniature so laughable. The old ones are indeed better, which is a shame as we know that FW can produce totally awesome miniatures.

Having just completed shadow of war I feel like gw is severely lacking inspiration when I comes to orcs and the wraiths, they should take a leaf out of that game and throw a lot more character into evil armies in general

The pose of Khamul is the exact pose we see of him in the Hobbit movie when Elrond arrives at Dol Guldur. I wouldn't be surprised if the other Nazgul will also be modeled after that scene.

 Formosa wrote:
Having just completed shadow of war I feel like gw is severely lacking inspiration when I comes to orcs and the wraiths, they should take a leaf out of that game and throw a lot more character into evil armies in general

Good God, what a horrifying idea.

The problem is the way GW created its 40K Orks in the first place...they're a joke/caricature. Even the Black Library authors admit you can't write books or novels about them. They're a victim of their own original design. The comic relief will never have a stunning side-story.

Look at how silly/stupid they are in the video games for 40K. Sure you can do decent character design on almost everyone else (Tyranids aside obviously) but Orks are a lost cause and GW has all but said so from a thematic/cool/developmental standpoint.

 Elbows wrote:
The problem is the way GW created its 40K Orks in the first place...they're a joke/caricature. Even the Black Library authors admit you can't write books or novels about them. They're a victim of their own original design. The comic relief will never have a stunning side-story.

Look at how silly/stupid they are in the video games for 40K. Sure you can do decent character design on almost everyone else (Tyranids aside obviously) but Orks are a lost cause and GW has all but said so from a thematic/cool/developmental standpoint.

Then GW and the BL authors in question are severely lacking in imagination. Having a comedic bent doesn't in any way preclude good and varied character design, and it in no way prevents the writing of a solid, enjoyable narrative - I mean crikey, Black Library managed to publish a series of "dramedy" novels about a Commissar!

What folk mean when they have a go at Orks is you can't write a po-faced tale of mighty heroes engaging in mighty heroism, as Goodguy McStickupthearse growls at The Archvillain in a manly fashion and then kicks their head in and/or dies in a heroic but pyrrhic manner. The idea you can't write any kind of satisfying story about them is even more farcical than the Orks themselves. In short, if they're struggling to write stories about Orks, they need to stop trying to write "Gaunt's Greenskins" and angle more towards the Cain books.

Beast Arises series did a good job of non-comedy "might actually be dangerous" orks , though there was very little ork dialogue .

Warlord wise, I'm waiting for Ordo Sinister, once/if that gets a release then I'm all over that.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The pose of Khamul is the exact pose we see of him in the Hobbit movie when Elrond arrives at Dol Guldur. I wouldn't be surprised if the other Nazgul will also be modeled after that scene.

Yes, they showed several of the other Dol Guldur Nazgul yesterday on Warhammer TV and they are all in the Dol Guldur Nine Pose.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Having just completed shadow of war I feel like gw is severely lacking inspiration when I comes to orcs and the wraiths, they should take a leaf out of that game and throw a lot more character into evil armies in general

Good God, what a horrifying idea.

More varied orcs would be a good thing, each one of the named ones have more character than the entirety of the lord of the rings range right now, so making a couple of olog hai characters, orcs and uruk hai would interest people like me who have no interest in the good armies who are over saturated with characters.

So explain why more varied sculpts and new characters inspired by shadow of war is a bad thing?

 Formosa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Having just completed shadow of war I feel like gw is severely lacking inspiration when I comes to orcs and the wraiths, they should take a leaf out of that game and throw a lot more character into evil armies in general

Good God, what a horrifying idea.

More varied orcs would be a good thing, each one of the named ones have more character than the entirety of the lord of the rings range right now, so making a couple of olog hai characters, orcs and uruk hai would interest people like me who have no interest in the good armies who are over saturated with characters.

So explain why more varied sculpts and new characters inspired by shadow of war is a bad thing?

You mean apart from the fact that those games are an abomination against the story in general? Orcs don't need to be overflowing with characters. They're the nameless mass, not individual hero's in their own right. Redo of the original sculpts? Sure, they're old and could do with it. But randomly throwing in named hero's based off that game? I mean come on, two of the Nazgul being Isildur and Helm Hammerhand?? Shadow of War is best left at the bottom of the clearance bin. Where it belongs.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Having just completed shadow of war I feel like gw is severely lacking inspiration when I comes to orcs and the wraiths, they should take a leaf out of that game and throw a lot more character into evil armies in general

Good God, what a horrifying idea.

More varied orcs would be a good thing, each one of the named ones have more character than the entirety of the lord of the rings range right now, so making a couple of olog hai characters, orcs and uruk hai would interest people like me who have no interest in the good armies who are over saturated with characters.

So explain why more varied sculpts and new characters inspired by shadow of war is a bad thing?

You mean apart from the fact that those games are an abomination against the story in general? Orcs don't need to be overflowing with characters. They're the nameless mass, not individual hero's in their own right. Redo of the original sculpts? Sure, they're old and could do with it. But randomly throwing in named hero's based off that game? I mean come on, two of the Nazgul being Isildur and Helm Hammerhand?? Shadow of War is best left at the bottom of the clearance bin. Where it belongs.

The games are not an abomination at all, they take the theme of lord of the rings and go in another direction rather than being hide bound to the books, if you don't like them it's ok though, don't pass it off as a "fact" though, it's just your opinion.

Also, to be frank, learn to read, I did not say "overflowing" with characters, I wanted a couple of new ones that are inspired by the game, I.e the varied armour and themes they have, orcs do not need to be faceless masses, that lacks imagination, and nor did I say to take the heros from the gam, I said inspired by, not direct rip off... sigh, it's clear to me that your irrational hatred for the game has marred your opinion so much that you can't even see what they did right, it wouldn't even surprise me if you haven't even played it and just read the wiki or watched the video play through, but hey! Feth people who try to do something different right!

Friendly reminder time!

RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

You mean apart from the fact that those games are an abomination against the story in general? Orcs don't need to be overflowing with characters. They're the nameless mass, not individual hero's in their own right. Redo of the original sculpts? Sure, they're old and could do with it. But randomly throwing in named hero's based off that game? I mean come on, two of the Nazgul being Isildur and Helm Hammerhand?? Shadow of War is best left at the bottom of the clearance bin. Where it belongs.

Weren´t the Nine already around, when Sauron still had a body and Isildur lived? Also this is indeed an abomination of the LotR lore, where some dude just puts in the names of human heroes. This is fanfiction and wouldn´t give credit to the timeline.
Also back in the day even in the WD there were new orc heroes and there are some tools to create your own with the correct point value.

I´m really excited to see the other wraiths and if at least one of them can outdo their previous incarnations. Poor Khamul couldn´t.
And when will Azogs command post be released?

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

You mean apart from the fact that those games are an abomination against the story in general? Orcs don't need to be overflowing with characters. They're the nameless mass, not individual hero's in their own right. Redo of the original sculpts? Sure, they're old and could do with it. But randomly throwing in named hero's based off that game? I mean come on, two of the Nazgul being Isildur and Helm Hammerhand?? Shadow of War is best left at the bottom of the clearance bin. Where it belongs.

Weren´t the Nine already around, when Sauron still had a body and Isildur lived? Also this is indeed an abomination of the LotR lore, where some dude just puts in the names of human heroes. This is fanfiction and wouldn´t give credit to the timeline.
Also back in the day even in the WD there were new orc heroes and there are some tools to create your own with the correct point value.

I´m really excited to see the other wraiths and if at least one of them can outdo their previous incarnations. Poor Khamul couldn´t.
And when will Azogs command post be released?

So I did a quick google search and it seems a lot of different companies have given the nazgul character, gw being the best in my opinion so far, I,Ike you, look forward to seeing what forge world does with the others to give them some perpnsality

The Only "canonical" Nazgul is Khamul the Easterling, the second in command to the Witch King. All of the rest are just custom-made for videogames, books, toys, etc... because they didn't had names
I agree that the GW ones are the coolest I have seen.
And Shadows of Mordor and Shadows of War are obviously non-canonical, but they are very good and fun games in their own right.