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Ruin wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
As someone whose been playing 40K for 22 years... I for one am glad to see the story advancing. It was getting pretty stale.

40k was a setting, not a story. To say it was getting "stale" when you had an entire galaxy and a length of time longer than recorded human history so far is just false.

I was just about to post this !

It started out as a setting and more stuff was added to the setting.

Now, it is an advancing story line, and it seems to be advancing solely to sell models, because no one could come up with anything else...

It seems pretty sad to me and the end of an era, It would not have grabbed me in the first place if it was a story.

Luckily for GW, some of the models keep pulling me back in and I am more interested in reading about the history of the setting, via FW, rather that what is currently happening.

I dont think I am the only one either.

Looking at RG, I wonder if 8th edition will come with true scale Marines the size of Sigmarines...

I think the proportion issues with guilliman might be to do with the way his torso is twisted. If we view him from so he is turned with his chest flat to us he might see a little less gangly.

Once it's in hand it might seem a bit better, like most things.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

You do realize you literally just described DS9, right?

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I see this as one way for them to turn up the heat between Imperium vs. Imperium battles. As schisms break out between conservative elements and those rallying around the returned Primarchs.

Exactly what I Hope. Make it so not all marines are on the same side, but not exactly in open warfare like the Heresy. But finally, after all these years, provide a legit in-game reason for Marine vs. Marine or Marine vs. Guard or Guard vs. Mechanicus etc. (basically any Imperium vs. Imperium) without it being down to hand-waving the battle as just a game, saying it's a training exercise/not a real fight, or playing "who is the heretic today".

FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

Yup, As i thought. The twist at the waist and the raised leg, plus the way he was initially photographed have done the models proportions no favours.
He is an absolute beast of a man, and of course his armour is never going to scale correctly with a proper human occupant (tho really, they could have made the head a little bigger) but from front on he does look more in proportion.

Lesson:foreshortening is a bitch.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Cothonian wrote:
Is it just me or does the Primarch model (featured in the first few pictures on this thread) have odd proportions?

Not sure why... thighs look a little short, and lower legs look far to long.

Whole torso/arms also look a little off, but not sure why.

My personal theory is that is because of a new Robot Body.

I think its more like a refined version of the Centurion warsuit.

Just imagine how hilariously long his neck must look without the armor on.

FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT THIS IS A PHOTOSHOP....pinched from a FB group.

What a difference a cape makes to the pose.

 Tamereth wrote:
FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

"No armies exist on purpose,
No Primarches belong anywhere,
Everybody's gonna die.
Come watch TV."

Let's sit back and enjoy this gakshow. I look forward to the videos of armies getting torched this summer.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT THIS IS A PHOTOSHOP....pinched from a FB group.

What a difference a cape makes to the pose.

"Ah! M-M-Moh- Most Glorious Emperor! Your cape is on fire!"

-Saint Obvion.

 Tamereth wrote:
FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

Nah, cash is exactly why they're messing with it.

Loyalist Primarchs will sell by the bucket loads. They've gradually been raising the SM arms race for years now. Fliers, Centurions, (allied) Knights, Wolf Chariots, etc. AoS was brought about to sell Fantasy Space Marines and it's working.

Forge World has turned into 'The Warhammer 30,000 Company' because people love their generic power armoured dudes. So obviously the next best thing is to turn 40k into Horus Heresy 2.0.

The 40k End Times will be the squat'ing of every non-Space Marine army. Unlike the End Times, most of the fandom will lap this up eagerly because, you guessed it, most of fandom are spared from their fate. Maybe not come 8th, but by 9th I'd be surprised if Imperial Guard and Sisters haven't been relegated to the position the Inquisition inhabit now. Xenos races will only be the purview of those box set board games as NPCs. Black Library will be nothing but books focusing on the exploits of the (loyalist) Primarchs in both the 41st millenium and what they were up to during their time away.

Oh Lordy! That Emperor photoshop is sweeet!

That Cypher model is absolutely amazing, and so many tiers above the other models of this latest triumvirate that it isn't even funny.

The Grey Knight model is decent, but not terribly exciting in pose, dynamism, or content. Not bad.

The Guilliman model looks better with the helm and the 360 reveal makes the proportions less wonky than they first appeared in the WD reveal (seriously, WD, that was the best angle you could get?), and even the still-wonky proportions may end up being explained reasonably well, given the blurb about Cawl's technology and Yvraine's psycher chicanery being the method of awakening the big G.

I'm... dubious... about how well GW will justify the Ultramarines letting a xenos like Yvraine performing psycho-surgery on their Primarch, but I'm willing to wait to see how they justify it.


I won't be purchasing this triumvirate (I'm a Tau player through and through - at most, I'll be converting some Kroot/Battlesuits/Drones into counts-as), though I would love to get a hand on the Flaming Sword for use as a Fusion Blade. Hopefully a lot of people (in this thread, and generally) dislike the sword enough for me to find it on Ebay!

Edit: the salt in this thread is incredibly concentrated.

Wayniac wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I see this as one way for them to turn up the heat between Imperium vs. Imperium battles. As schisms break out between conservative elements and those rallying around the returned Primarchs.

Exactly what I Hope. Make it so not all marines are on the same side, but not exactly in open warfare like the Heresy. But finally, after all these years, provide a legit in-game reason for Marine vs. Marine or Marine vs. Guard or Guard vs. Mechanicus etc. (basically any Imperium vs. Imperium) without it being down to hand-waving the battle as just a game, saying it's a training exercise/not a real fight, or playing "who is the heretic today".

The problem I'm seeing here is that Robot Girlyman appears to be too "pure" of a "good guy" for the themes and setting of the 40k universe. So what it looks like (if things go the schism route) is we're gonna have the "traditional" Imperium vs the "good Republic" or whatever, which really defeats the idea in 40k that nobody is completely good or altruistic. I mean, it really unbalances the scales when you've got an unequivocally pure faction in a universe built on grimdark themes. (They corrected this issue with the Tau by adding all the implications later on that their society is founded on brainwashing...)

That's why I'm hoping (like a few others have said) that Roboute turns out to be a complete donkey-cave/nutter in the face of the last 10,000 years of history. For example, having him look upon the Imperium and realize that Curze was right about what would happen - as well as seeing the complete domination of Lorgar's Lectitio Divinitatus throughout human culture - and deciding that it's time to destroy the Imperium and build a new one under his own personal rule. This would open up a lot of interesting narratives (especially with Roboute having such a hard-on for rules and doctrines, such as the Codex Astartes), driving the story towards an Imperial Civil War between two intractable ideologies (neither of which is clearly "good").

@OP:

Cypher model looks gorgeous. Hope I can pick one up at some point. The GK Grandmaster is kinda meh as far as GKs go (and I'm a big fanboy of the GK look, so take that as you will). Not a fan of the big guy though.

I don't quite understand why GW would even want to turn the game into battles between opposing huge characters. That's kind of what they did with Age of Sigmar. It seems like an army is supposed to be mostly one (or more) giant centerpiece model(s), with a handful of mooks. Seems counter productive. I mean, they must have sold many times more boxes of skeletons for fantasy than they sold Nagash kits, and presumably that means the regular guys are way more profitable, right? So why encourage an army of Nagash and a couple of big monsters, instead of like 100 skeletons and some characters?

So my idea earlier on here of turning him into the emperor works.
Cheers to whoever shopped that, I had doubts before but that looks damn good!

 Tamereth wrote:
FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

Sorry, but how is all the other fluff destroyed by this? They didn't ret-con anything. You can just ignore it, you know? Nothing stopping you and your like-minded friends from playing any edition in existence or staying with 7th, or even using 8th and set up a campaign that doesn't involve any of this. If you don't like it just ignore it.

This is like when people complain about sequels or reboots ruining the original movie. No, the original is still stands on it's own. Anything added beyond that doesn't affect that unless you let it.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I don't quite understand why GW would even want to turn the game into battles between opposing huge characters. That's kind of what they did with Age of Sigmar. It seems like an army is supposed to be mostly one (or more) giant centerpiece model(s), with a handful of mooks. Seems counter productive. I mean, they must have sold many times more boxes of skeletons for fantasy than they sold Nagash kits, and presumably that means the regular guys are way more profitable, right? So why encourage an army of Nagash and a couple of big monsters, instead of like 100 skeletons and some characters?

They're trying to appeal to the best of both worlds I think. There's the people who are constantly adding to their armies and will lap up whatever it is that Games Workshop throw their way; special characters, updated models, new units, stompy megaknights, whatever.

There's also the other crowd who are content with their 3000pt force, see a new release of say... Militarum Tempestus and go "I mean the models look nice, but I already have two boxes worth of Karskin. I'll pass."

So what they do is release this giant "WOAH DUDE LOOK AT HOW COOL THAT IS BRUH" new, fancy model and they pull in the best of all the crowds. The people who buy everything will buy it anyway, the people with a 'complete' army want it as a centrepiece to round out their collection, the people who want it for the hobby aspect get a whopping great new project, the tournament crowd want it because god forbid GW ever release a Super Heavy that isn't broken beyond belief. Lil Timmy is also more likely to go "MUMMY, MUMMY, I WANT THE BIG GIANT MAN" over that £20 Tactical Squad anyway.

The story of 40k is "This is why we can't have nice things". From the war in heaven, the Eldar fall and to the heresy. It's about tragic events leading to the loss of progress, understanding, and greatness.

The imperium is over, and had been dieing for 10000 years.

Rowboat Girlyman, Lord of the Bland, isn't exactly my idea of spicing up the game, but okay. Cypher is cool.

 Xca|iber wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I see this as one way for them to turn up the heat between Imperium vs. Imperium battles. As schisms break out between conservative elements and those rallying around the returned Primarchs.

Exactly what I Hope. Make it so not all marines are on the same side, but not exactly in open warfare like the Heresy. But finally, after all these years, provide a legit in-game reason for Marine vs. Marine or Marine vs. Guard or Guard vs. Mechanicus etc. (basically any Imperium vs. Imperium) without it being down to hand-waving the battle as just a game, saying it's a training exercise/not a real fight, or playing "who is the heretic today".

The problem I'm seeing here is that Robot Girlyman appears to be too "pure" of a "good guy" for the themes and setting of the 40k universe. So what it looks like (if things go the schism route) is we're gonna have the "traditional" Imperium vs the "good Republic" or whatever, which really defeats the idea in 40k that nobody is completely good or altruistic. I mean, it really unbalances the scales when you've got an unequivocally pure faction in a universe built on grimdark themes. (They corrected this issue with the Tau by adding all the implications later on that their society is founded on brainwashing...)

That's why I'm hoping (like a few others have said) that Roboute turns out to be a complete donkey-cave/nutter in the face of the last 10,000 years of history. For example, having him look upon the Imperium and realize that Curze was right about what would happen - as well as seeing the complete domination of Lorgar's Lectitio Divinitatus throughout human culture - and deciding that it's time to destroy the Imperium and build a new one under his own personal rule. This would open up a lot of interesting narratives (especially with Roboute having such a hard-on for rules and doctrines, such as the Codex Astartes), driving the story towards an Imperial Civil War between two intractable ideologies (neither of which is clearly "good").

@OP:

Cypher model looks gorgeous. Hope I can pick one up at some point. The GK Grandmaster is kinda meh as far as GKs go (and I'm a big fanboy of the GK look, so take that as you will). Not a fan of the big guy though.

"Too poor and good guy" don't mesh with guilliman's character AT ALL. Specially if we go by FW's portrayal, where he basically is a non-bald perturabo with (marginally) less issues. But yeah, I'm seeing that.

Games Workshop clearing out 40k for Age of Spacemarine.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT THIS IS A PHOTOSHOP....pinched from a FB group.

What a difference a cape makes to the pose.

Just a heads up.... He IS coming!

We do know from 2015? an Emperor model will come one day from FW.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

Nah, cash is exactly why they're messing with it.

Loyalist Primarchs will sell by the bucket loads. They've gradually been raising the SM arms race for years now. Fliers, Centurions, (allied) Knights, Wolf Chariots, etc. AoS was brought about to sell Fantasy Space Marines and it's working.[i][/u]

Forge World has turned into 'The Warhammer 30,000 Company' because people love their generic power armoured dudes. So obviously the next best thing is to turn 40k into Horus Heresy 2.0.

The 40k End Times will be the squat'ing of every non-Space Marine army. Unlike the End Times, most of the fandom will lap this up eagerly because, you guessed it, most of fandom are spared from their fate. Maybe not come 8th, but by 9th I'd be surprised if Imperial Guard and Sisters haven't been relegated to the position the Inquisition inhabit now. Xenos races will only be the purview of those box set board games as NPCs. Black Library will be nothing but books focusing on the exploits of the (loyalist) Primarchs in both the 41st millenium and what they were up to during their time away.

AoS working to sell Sigmarines is very much open to interpretation. It killed fantasy gaming around here. Nearly all the local shops that sold GW products have stopped since AoS launched.

GW is taking a massive gamble by changing up 40K like this, and it's not one they needed to take.

Think about it this way, What would the reaction be if the next star wars film said Jedi's powers were in fact caused by nanites and everyone could acquire them. Some people would love it, but a hell of a lot of fans would just walk away.

 Tamereth wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
FFS they are really going there aren't they.

This is "The End Times", sci-fi edition. Every over the top BS thing you can think of is probably going to happen, and fast. Expect all of the Primarchs to re-appear, one a month from now on.
8th edition will be Age of the Emperor. 30 years worth of fluff will be destroyed in a bid to sell big model kits.

I can't believe GW are really dumb enough to mess with the cash cow like this.

The Roboute model isn't even good.

Nah, cash is exactly why they're messing with it.

Loyalist Primarchs will sell by the bucket loads. They've gradually been raising the SM arms race for years now. Fliers, Centurions, (allied) Knights, Wolf Chariots, etc. AoS was brought about to sell Fantasy Space Marines and it's working.[i][/u]

Forge World has turned into 'The Warhammer 30,000 Company' because people love their generic power armoured dudes. So obviously the next best thing is to turn 40k into Horus Heresy 2.0.

The 40k End Times will be the squat'ing of every non-Space Marine army. Unlike the End Times, most of the fandom will lap this up eagerly because, you guessed it, most of fandom are spared from their fate. Maybe not come 8th, but by 9th I'd be surprised if Imperial Guard and Sisters haven't been relegated to the position the Inquisition inhabit now. Xenos races will only be the purview of those box set board games as NPCs. Black Library will be nothing but books focusing on the exploits of the (loyalist) Primarchs in both the 41st millenium and what they were up to during their time away.

AoS working to sell Sigmarines is very much open to interpretation. It killed fantasy gaming around here. Nearly all the local shops that sold GW products have stopped since AoS launched.

GW is taking a massive gamble by changing up 40K like this, and it's not one they needed to take.

Think about it this way, What would the reaction be if the next star wars film said Jedi's powers were in fact caused by nanites and everyone could acquire them. Some people would love it, but a hell of a lot of fans would just walk away.

Oh for feth's sake.

AoS IS SELLING AND SELLING WELL. They told their investors that. In the U.K., such statements are vetted for accuracy. Get over it.

There is feth ALL EVIDENCE that 40k is getting anything like the AoS treatment.

Sadly, as a big fan of rank'n'flank Warhammer, it'd been failing for a number of years - seemingly before the unfairly maligned 8th Edition.

40k clearly remains healthy. It's clearly carried the company during Warhammer's slow demise. They're advancing the timeline (which saddos have demanded for a long time), and everyone loses their gak WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE BEYOND TRAGIC BASTARDS FEELING THAT CRTICISING A RANDOM COMPANY DESPITE NO EXPERTISE IN TNE FIELD SOMEHOW GIVES THEIR OWN LIFE FAILURES VALIDATION

krazynadechukr wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT THIS IS A PHOTOSHOP....pinched from a FB group.

What a difference a cape makes to the pose.

Just a heads up.... He IS coming!

Well, it lends credence to the theory that GW and FW hate each other. Same day that GW reveals a Primarch, FW is like "We can top that!".

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters and that the formations in the book better not be Ultramarine exclusive. I suppose this is where we will be getting the Ultramarines equivalent to the different detachments from Angels of Death. Good for them, but it still sucks to be a Black Templars or Crimson Fists player. Still no specialized formations or detachments for us. :(

You mean like how magnus is for every CSM faction?

There is no reason rowboat will be for anyone but ultras except make sells.
And that's why he's probably "any IoM army HQ/LoW"