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2017/03/05 21:34:00
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
LightKing wrote: Why do people treat Cypher like he is one individual
i like to think "Cypher" is a moniker that many fallen angels since the heresy have held, eventually being passed on?
or is it confirmed that its just one guy?
This was always a possibility, however there are certain elements of Cypher that were unique and hard to replicate with a limited pool of talent. His exceptional gun slinging skills, the relic he carries and most importantly if it is still part of his fluff and mechanics, his way of seemingly avoiding death that seems all but certain.
I believe it is one man, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.
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2017/03/05 21:35:20
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
LightKing wrote: Why do people treat Cypher like he is one individual
i like to think "Cypher" is a moniker that many fallen angels since the heresy have held, eventually being passed on?
or is it confirmed that its just one guy?
This was always a possibility, however there are certain elements of Cypher that were unique and hard to replicate with a limited pool of talent. His exceptional gun slinging skills, the relic he carries and most importantly if it is still part of his fluff and mechanics, his way of seemingly avoiding death that seems all but certain.
I believe it is one man, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.
has anyone ever came up with the possibility
that Cypher is The Lion?
2017/03/05 21:35:41
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
daemonish wrote: I am kind of dissapointed that the Nids have had no part to play so far. My only hope is that there will be a future release of books that centre around a mass tyranid incursion.
Tyranids had the Shield of Baal event not that long ago with the Blood Angels (you will also notice there have been no Blood Angels so far as well)
2017/03/05 21:39:51
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
LightKing wrote: Why do people treat Cypher like he is one individual
i like to think "Cypher" is a moniker that many fallen angels since the heresy have held, eventually being passed on?
or is it confirmed that its just one guy?
This was always a possibility, however there are certain elements of Cypher that were unique and hard to replicate with a limited pool of talent. His exceptional gun slinging skills, the relic he carries and most importantly if it is still part of his fluff and mechanics, his way of seemingly avoiding death that seems all but certain.
I believe it is one man, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.
In a thread you created and were participating in.
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It didn't say anything about them in the article. They're going to be drawing it out over the week.
From what Warhams said, I think it would be the Sicarius, Honor Guard, unit of Sternguard or Vanguard formation. Adds 1 to their WS/BS and allows Guilliman to Look Out, Sir with models in the formation.
What I 100% need to know is whether or not the Fallen Champions formation is 100% confirmed to be just Cypher and 3 units of Fallen or if it's the Triumvirate.
There's also a Victrix strike force.
Victrix Strike Force Detachment.
do we know anything about that yet? I've heard someone use the phrase "decurion" so I'm curious. especially as the ultramarines didn't get a unique decurion with AOD, and Gulliman makes one of the big advantages of the Gladius redundant.
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Samsonov wrote: I think the response to all this shows quite some different audiences are in the community. We have the biggest change to 40K background in 25 years and most people are discussing the rules for a couple of models, ones who will only be used in some games and then only be one component of those games.
However, I think the people who are most interested in background are likely to be buying less than those who are interested in the rules for the latest models, so perhaps GW is taking the correct approach when it comes to selling models.
part of it is because the leaks we're getting are rules details. meanwhile everyone doing leaking has specificly said they're being mum on the fluff so as "not to spoil" so I think that explains it. the implications of this are immense, but there's only so much we can do without many facts. and those who have the spoilers aren't posting them.
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2017/03/05 23:24:45
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
So the new Fallen faction is explicitly not Battle Brothers with Dark Angels (no huge surprise)... but what ARE they?
They aren't listed under any other category, not even Come the Apocalypse.
Makes me wonder.
Re: Voldus
He's certainly expensive, but all I see getting discussed is the Nemesis DH swinging at initiative (adding in Hammerhand, doesn't that potentially equal S10/AP2? Seems pretty potent to me, but admittedly mostly against 2+ MC, since Halberds are plenty-strong enough with Hammerhand to deal with any other MC) and his ML3.
What I don't see being addressed is the rumor that Voldus has an extra power (which unfortunately must be rolled on Sanctic) and has access to more disciplines: Geokinesis, Librarius, Fulmination, and Technomancy.
He might still not be the best for his points, but that might make him slightly more worthwhile, no?
2017/03/05 23:29:34
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Most people say GK libbies can roll on those trees per RAI so Voldus isn't unique there. Generating an extra Sanctic power is a GK Warlord Trait. I think Voldus only gets it if he is the Warlord and any GK Lib has a 1/6 chance (re-rollable) of getting it too. Normal Libs can also take an artifact that gives yet another Sanctic power.
So they're good traits of Voldus, yeah, but they don't exactly stand out since they are available to generics too.
2017/03/05 23:32:42
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Unusual Suspect wrote: So the new Fallen faction is explicitly not Battle Brothers with Dark Angels (no huge surprise)... but what ARE they?
They aren't listed under any other category, not even Come the Apocalypse.
Makes me wonder.
Since they can't be in the same army, they haven't given them a level of alliance. It might be a pont of contention in a team game however.
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2017/03/05 23:33:24
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Unusual Suspect wrote: So the new Fallen faction is explicitly not Battle Brothers with Dark Angels (no huge surprise)... but what ARE they?
They aren't listed under any other category, not even Come the Apocalypse.
Makes me wonder.
Re: Voldus
He's certainly expensive, but all I see getting discussed is the Nemesis DH swinging at initiative (adding in Hammerhand, doesn't that potentially equal S10/AP2? Seems pretty potent to me, but admittedly mostly against 2+ MC, since Halberds are plenty-strong enough with Hammerhand to deal with any other MC) and his ML3.
What I don't see being addressed is the rumor that Voldus has an extra power (which unfortunately must be rolled on Sanctic) and has access to more disciplines: Geokinesis, Librarius, Fulmination, and Technomancy.
He might still not be the best for his points, but that might make him slightly more worthwhile, no?
Potentially, especially since RAW he's technically the only Grey Knight with access to the SM Disciplines (unless GS3 officially gives other GKs access to them too).
It's not like GKs are bleeding for Santic powers though, especially when they have a relic that can do that same thing.
He's not too bad but he's not too good either, which is nice for once. However aside from the @ I Daemonhammer and ML3 on a Grandmaster he isn't really that unique. I'd rather him have some unique special rule that gives a small buff to his army (like the ability to re-roll the Warp Charge generation dice at the start of the Psychic Phase, or a unique psychic power that's basically a bubble version of one of the Santic buffs).
If I had a GK army and the model I could see myself using him on occasion though.
2017/03/05 23:35:42
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I think Voldus is a fine Imperial character, but a terrible grey knight character. He gives nothing to the Grey Knights don't already have a lot, and he comes in at 5 points less than Draigo, who I think anyone would agree is better in almost every way.
5000
Who knows?
2017/03/06 00:08:45
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Has there been any indication if the individuals in the Triumvirate of the Primarch can be used in any Armies of the Imperium army? Much the same way the members of the previous Triumvirates can be used in any appropriate army? Cypher has his previous rule where he can be used asome a slotless HQ, but what about Big Blue and Voldus? They would be great in just about any Imperium army. With all of his Command Traits, Guilliman is certainly going to be fun.
Well, with that leak of the Fallen Angels rules, they have officially made it nearly impossible for me to use Cypher at all. He can't go with my Dark Angels, which makes sense fluffwise so I'm okay with that, but now they are CtA with my Daemonkin and Desperate Allies with my Tau. I guess I'll have to bulk out my regular CSM forces if I want to play with Cypher. Here's hoping I can make use of the other two without needing to start a new army (especially since I already preordered the new Triumvirate at my FLGS).
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2017/03/06 02:01:02
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
ZergSmasher wrote: Well, with that leak of the Fallen Angels rules, they have officially made it nearly impossible for me to use Cypher at all. He can't go with my Dark Angels, which makes sense fluffwise so I'm okay with that, but now they are CtA with my Daemonkin and Desperate Allies with my Tau. I guess I'll have to bulk out my regular CSM forces if I want to play with Cypher. Here's hoping I can make use of the other two without needing to start a new army (especially since I already preordered the new Triumvirate at my FLGS).
What exactly were you expecting? That alliance chart a LOT of sense.
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vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2017/03/06 02:09:01
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
ZergSmasher wrote: Well, with that leak of the Fallen Angels rules, they have officially made it nearly impossible for me to use Cypher at all. He can't go with my Dark Angels, which makes sense fluffwise so I'm okay with that, but now they are CtA with my Daemonkin and Desperate Allies with my Tau. I guess I'll have to bulk out my regular CSM forces if I want to play with Cypher. Here's hoping I can make use of the other two without needing to start a new army (especially since I already preordered the new Triumvirate at my FLGS).
What exactly were you expecting? That alliance chart a LOT of sense.
Oh, I'm not disputing that. It does make sense; I just hoped I'd be able to at least be AoC with Daemonkin.
My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/7/24, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Imperial Knights: ~2300 | Leagues of Votann: ~1300 | Tyranids: ~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000 | Kruleboyz: ~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: ~700
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: You need your bumps felt. With a patented, Grotsnik Corp Bump Feelerer 9,000.
The Grotsnik Corp Bump Feelerer 9,000. It only looks like several bricks crudely gaffer taped to a cricket bat.
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2017/03/06 02:21:53
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Colpicklejar wrote: I think Voldus is a fine Imperial character, but a terrible grey knight character. He gives nothing to the Grey Knights don't already have a lot, and he comes in at 5 points less than Draigo, who I think anyone would agree is better in almost every way.
I think his main value is going to be similar to the other Triumvirate SCs.
Slot into Imperial Army of your choice.
I will admit that's a personal bugbear of mind, largely cause the Slot into Faction X army of your Choice approach should have been applied to Magnus and Be'lakor to be honest (as Magnus is CSM only and Be'lakor's printed datasheet is Daemon only :( ) as it makes sense to find Be'lakor in a CSM army and to find Magnus leading a Tzeentchian Daemon host....
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2017/03/06 02:54:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
daemonish wrote: I am kind of dissapointed that the Nids have had no part to play so far. My only hope is that there will be a future release of books that centre around a mass tyranid incursion.
Tyranids had the Shield of Baal event not that long ago with the Blood Angels (you will also notice there have been no Blood Angels so far as well)
Yet the Tyranid fleets are bearing down on the universe, incursions becoming more frequent and more cunning. At some point, there will be another big campaign, and I think it might even rival the Gathering Storm in the ripples it could create. As it does not just matter to the Imperium and Chaos, but to ALL races in the galaxy (barring Necrons I suppose).
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daemonish wrote: I am kind of dissapointed that the Nids have had no part to play so far. My only hope is that there will be a future release of books that centre around a mass tyranid incursion.
Tyranids had the Shield of Baal event not that long ago with the Blood Angels (you will also notice there have been no Blood Angels so far as well)
Yet the Tyranid fleets are bearing down on the universe, incursions becoming more frequent and more cunning. At some point, there will be another big campaign, and I think it might even rival the Gathering Storm in the ripples it could create. As it does not just matter to the Imperium and Chaos, but to ALL races in the galaxy (barring Necrons I suppose).
It makes sense for them to focus on what they perceive to be their big players in the universe. Hopefully it will mean that they will focus on other races in similar ways.
2017/03/06 06:25:51
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
why does Roboute have green leafs on his head, reminds me of Julius Ceasar
Just answered your own question there.
Just to explain this a bit further the Ultramarines have a massive Greek/Roman theme which isn't always evident in the current chapter, but it's there and tends to show up in the stories around Ultramar.
2017/03/06 08:34:21
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I see they updated the GW webshop, Fallen are now officially and army.. only the the fallen champions, DA veterans and triumvirates are available tho.. the rules will probably be a copy/paste of the previous ones + bb with imperials - DISAPPOINTED EDIT: go ninja go ninja go
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2017/03/06 09:01:01
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
5000
Who knows? 
5250 pts
3850 pts
~16000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Imperial Knights: 
~2300 | Leagues of Votann: 
~1300 | Tyranids: 
~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: 
~5000 | Kruleboyz: 
~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: 
~700
EDIT: go ninja go ninja go
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