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I suspect the reasons Titans fight in such pristine areas is that if Titan weapons are fired at a building it ceases to exist as anything worth of a model (more an illustration of a smoking crater on a mapsheet)

My FLGS was hoping to have been pre-ordering quite a few copies of this game and certianly my local Gaming club were all buying into it. That was when the rumoured price was the £120. Now it's announced at £175, even with my local shops discount, he's not received 1 pre-order. No one wants to buy in with such a high price tag. Essentially he was banking on shifting around 20 copies of the game just into the local club. No one wants it now. There's a few just buying the rules and then using their Epic Titans rather than buying the new stuff.

Interestingly, GW did offer him a free copy og the game to use in his store, IF he pre ordered 30 copies of the game!

Neronoxx wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The limited, aha, scale of the game will also factor into prices.

With them describing it as 7 Titans absolute max, that’s a decent price ceiling for them to deal with, especially if we make (the not entirely safe assumption) that doesn’t mean 7 Warlords, but a mix of classes.

Didnt they say that you'd only ever need 1 warlord?

They in this case was just someone on Naftka, however I think it's clear that you'll likely just end up using 1. the lore for titans notes that warlords are useally deployed alone, or with a supporting force of lesser titans and that it is VERY rare for multiple warlords to be deployed. A lot of people heard "core" with reagrds to warlords and I think thought "core as in tactial marines" in that it makes up the bulk of your army. but I think core in this case is more "center peice" the single large unit you build your force around. your average AT battle is going to consist of a warlord on each side acting as a anchor/tank well each sides deploys their lighter elements to the flanks in an attempt to take down the other unit. it should be a pretty tactical game if thats the case.

Waiiting to see the games where the real 40k Whales are playing this with Forgeworld Titans

And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one? do agree that a box with, say, the Rules Set content, and one Warlord, for perhaps $100-125 might have been a better way to entice people into the game, and provided a more appealing entry point, especially since it would have given you kind of 'two options' for a 'starting force' (the Grand Master, and some other edition). But I don't see a particularly bad value on the Rule Set, and then you can buy Titans, and scenery, as you wish.

That's exactly what I'm doing - the rules and a warlord titan to start with, then in time I'll build it up more.

richstrach wrote:

And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one? do agree that a box with, say, the Rules Set content, and one Warlord, for perhaps $100-125 might have been a better way to entice people into the game, and provided a more appealing entry point, especially since it would have given you kind of 'two options' for a 'starting force' (the Grand Master, and some other edition). But I don't see a particularly bad value on the Rule Set, and then you can buy Titans, and scenery, as you wish.

That's exactly what I'm doing - the rules and a warlord titan to start with, then in time I'll build it up more.

Indeed - just proxy models - Knights for Titans and Amigers for Knights

Someone will do rules to use Stompas as Gargants, Morkanaughts as Stompas and WraithKinghts as Phantoms Warlocks

richstrach wrote:

And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one? do agree that a box with, say, the Rules Set content, and one Warlord, for perhaps $100-125 might have been a better way to entice people into the game, and provided a more appealing entry point, especially since it would have given you kind of 'two options' for a 'starting force' (the Grand Master, and some other edition). But I don't see a particularly bad value on the Rule Set, and then you can buy Titans, and scenery, as you wish.

That's exactly what I'm doing - the rules and a warlord titan to start with, then in time I'll build it up more.

Are Warlords released on the same day as GM box?



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 Mr Morden wrote:

richstrach wrote:

And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one? do agree that a box with, say, the Rules Set content, and one Warlord, for perhaps $100-125 might have been a better way to entice people into the game, and provided a more appealing entry point, especially since it would have given you kind of 'two options' for a 'starting force' (the Grand Master, and some other edition). But I don't see a particularly bad value on the Rule Set, and then you can buy Titans, and scenery, as you wish.

That's exactly what I'm doing - the rules and a warlord titan to start with, then in time I'll build it up more.

Indeed - just proxy models - Knights for Titans and Amigers for Knights

Someone will do rules to use Stompas as Gargants, Morkanaughts as Stompas and WraithKinghts as Phantoms Warlocks

Armigers will be your Reavers :p IDK what Knights will be, it's been a long time since I was fully aware of the 40k range. Maybe some sort of AM bots?

JWBS wrote:


Are Warlords released on the same day as GM box?

Yes, it seems they are. Reply I got was all products announced in the WHC article will be available this coming Saturday.

If the Grandmaster edition was 1 warlord, 1 reaver, 2 warhounds, and 3 knights I'd be more interested. Make it truly a collection purchase and the price would feel less painful.

JWBS wrote:

Armigers will be your Reavers :p IDK what Knights will be, it's been a long time since I was fully aware of the 40k range. Maybe some sort of AM bots?

I don't think there is anything that would look the part. But size wise Terminators or Primaris Aggressors would probably work as a Knight proxy.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

JWBS wrote:

Armigers will be your Reavers :p IDK what Knights will be, it's been a long time since I was fully aware of the 40k range. Maybe some sort of AM bots?

I don't think there is anything that would look the part. But size wise Terminators or Primaris Aggressors would probably work as a Knight proxy.

There's these https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99590108091_MechanicumThallaxCohort03.jpg (but FW, so not exactly value)

JWBS wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

JWBS wrote:

Armigers will be your Reavers :p IDK what Knights will be, it's been a long time since I was fully aware of the 40k range. Maybe some sort of AM bots?

I don't think there is anything that would look the part. But size wise Terminators or Primaris Aggressors would probably work as a Knight proxy.

There's these https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99590108091_MechanicumThallaxCohort03.jpg (but FW, so not exactly value)

LOL "Games workshop plastic is too expensive so I bought forgeworld instead" said nobody ever

JWBS wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, like I said, a full Axiom Battleline Maniple (1 WL, 2 R, 2 WH) looks to clock in near 1700 points, which is at the high end of the mid-level game size.

I'll probably be at that maximum or near it just because I'm running all Warhounds.

I just wish they'd give us the damn prices already. I know it's not their usual thing, releasing prices months in advance, but I'd much prefer the (1 WL, 2 R, 2 WH) than 2W, 6K, some books and some terrain. But which works out to be less ridiculously (to many people) expensive?

Maybe we can get a rough ballpark figure just by looking to similar kits. The Warlord is a little smaller than a 40K Knight, and the price came in a little less than a 40K Knight. So for Reavers, maybe the Redemptor dread plus a little more? The Warhounds could be around SM Centurion size (?), so maybe $50 for two or a little higher? That's obviously complete guesswork, but those prices feel kinda right to me. *shrug*

It's definitely not skirmish game pricing, but I think GW is aiming this at a different market segment anyway. As evidenced by it coming so closely on the heels of KT.

BrianDavion wrote:

JWBS wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

JWBS wrote:

Armigers will be your Reavers :p IDK what Knights will be, it's been a long time since I was fully aware of the 40k range. Maybe some sort of AM bots?

I don't think there is anything that would look the part. But size wise Terminators or Primaris Aggressors would probably work as a Knight proxy.

There's these https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99590108091_MechanicumThallaxCohort03.jpg (but FW, so not exactly value)

LOL "Games workshop plastic is too expensive so I bought forgeworld instead" said nobody ever

Except a bunch of people in Oceania and increasing numbers of people looking for character models.

BrianDavion wrote:
LOL "Games workshop plastic is too expensive so I bought forgeworld instead" said nobody ever

Until now, apparently.

Sometimes I wonder if the FW guys want this to fail.

I think GW kind of does want it to 'fail'. The game was originally intended to be super niche with resin titans aimed squarely at the playerbase who are used to paying £200 for a single super heavy vehicle. The specialist studio is currently stretched very thin. Adeptus Titanicus had a single sculptor who has spent two years designing and then redesigning the titans and doing nothing else and we only have 4 kits and a bits sprue to show for it They don't have enough designers to keep up with demand for bloodbowl and Necromunda let alone this.

They only changed to plastic because people were much more enthusiastic than they thought.

In interviews Andy Hoare has talked several times about how old school and crunchy this game is. The design of the book deliberately echoes the Horus Heresy forgeworld books.
The high price and the limited supply feel like a little warning to modern 40k players that this product is not for them. It is not even really for gaming clubs.
The grand master box feels like it was designed for two Heresy fans, who have read all the novels, bought a few forgeworld Knights and who play once a week in their garage.
They have highlighted that the titans are easy to magnetise. I have been in the hobby for more than twenty years and I had not even heard the term rare earth magnets until I read about in the Titanicus coverage.
They simply do not have the staff to design all the vehicles and xenos titans that players would want to expand this game. So if this game ends up having a playerbase of just 10,000 players world wide, I don't think GW will mind too much. They can put out a couple of releases a year and maybe come back and take a stab at epic when they have twice as many designers as they do now.
I do think, though, that they will sell a lot of titans even if most of them just end up being collectors pieces.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except a bunch of people in Oceania and increasing numbers of people looking for character models.

'Lease until region pricing goes live soon and Oceania prices double overnight.

Da Butcha wrote:

*And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one?

Given that the GM set just compiles all of the stuff that people that people would need to buy anyway with a nominal discount, the point isn't that the GM set specifically is too expensive, it's that it illustrates the total cost of buying into the game. And that's too high for some of us.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except a bunch of people in Oceania and increasing numbers of people looking for character models.

'Lease until region pricing goes live soon and Oceania prices double overnight.

Nah, nuGW would never pull a stunt like that, they're all about the fans now.

They have a Facebook! And a YouTubes!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except a bunch of people in Oceania and increasing numbers of people looking for character models.

'Lease until region pricing goes live soon and Oceania prices double overnight.

Is that something that's actually happening? I wonder why its taken so long.

They're going to allow you to pay for things in your own currency, so you don't get "stung" with a currency conversion fee.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, have you ever seen a FW Catalogue? Even just the UK/US price comparison sees a 25% increase in price.

For Oz it's worse. For NZ it will be even worse than that.

Yeah, the "you won't have to worry about bizarre exchange rates!" nonsense is comical. As if Forgeworld needed a drop in sales.

That's mighty nice of them, it has concerned me for along time that I had to pay a small conversion charge, thank goodness I can now just buy at double the price! Whoooo.

To give some actual info based on some careful comparison of white dwarf pics, online comparisons and my own models I found out the sizes of the kits. The Warlord is 15cm tall, just a tiny bit shorter than the imperial knight. The eyeline height is almost exactly the same. The big difference is the width. 10cm for the Warlord compared to 15cm for the knight. The Warlord is on a 120mm base. The Reaver is almost exactly the same height as the armiger but by contrast the legs of the Reaver are quite a bit chunkier.
The mini Knights are 4cm high, about the same height as a primaris, but a bit wider.

AT/SM1 are what got me into table top gaming. Loved that time period. Found this on YouTube:




These guys are playing on a narrow board with the older Titans, but considering the new ones are gigantic, this might as well be how the new game plays. The game these guys played simply involved moving up your titans to point blank range in the middle of the board. No creative tactics in sight. But then again, there just isn’t any room for them either. These guys really should have turned the board sideways and and spread their few models out. This is what I mean about cramp spaces. I’ll need space for the new templates, my massive models, bigger buildings, and every game will be predictable. Oh yay I get to manage plasma and wrestle with the machine spirit. I could care less about that. To me it’s just another layer of unnecessary depth to make me feel like I am getting more out of my model because they cost so much and are too big to have too many of, and a for a game limited in scope. So awesome.

And I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone can think not having some infantry and tanks running around wouldn’t have added an amazing dynamic to the game.

I do have all of my previous Epid stuff. I will give the new system a go with all of my old models and see how that plays out. I own 15 of the old plastic beetle Warlords shown in the video alone. Then another 4 Reavers and 4 Warhounds.

So screw these new models.

On that map I'm seeing LOTS of room for them to apply tactics. they're just not doing so. as fgor power management etc, that can create depth in a game because suddenly you have choices. "do I wanna fire all my guns and risk 'over heating' etc"

"do I wanna fire all my guns and risk 'over heating' etc"

Lol.

 insaniak wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:

*And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one?

Given that the GM set just compiles all of the stuff that people that people would need to buy anyway with a nominal discount, the point isn't that the GM set specifically is too expensive, it's that it illustrates the total cost of buying into the game. And that's too high for some of us.

And to add to that, they've said the intention is that a standard game is 3 warlords per side... meaning while you can play with the box contents, it still doesn't represent the full extent of how they intend you to play.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:

*And, on the topic of pricing, it really seems like the Grand Master edition is what is giving people fits. The Rule Set comes with the rulebook, ruler, dice, templates, Terminals, weapons cards, the 'other' cards, transfers, and evidently, Objectives (from the WD), for $60. That seems like a great deal. The 40K rulebook is $60 by itself. I know this one is smaller, but you get all that other stuff. Then just buy the individual Titans/Knights you want and grow your army the way you grow a 40K army. People don't always buy a 2000 point army in one go, so why are people feeling they HAVE to on this one?

Given that the GM set just compiles all of the stuff that people that people would need to buy anyway with a nominal discount, the point isn't that the GM set specifically is too expensive, it's that it illustrates the total cost of buying into the game. And that's too high for some of us.

And to add to that, they've said the intention is that a standard game is 3 warlords per side... meaning while you can play with the box contents, it still doesn't represent the full extent of how they intend you to play.

Can you cite that?