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First, for the link-challenged among us, here's the Wahammer Community announcement.

The make-your-own-Legio rules are a welcome improvement from the semi-balanced rules in White Dwarf some time ago.

Also, given the cover illustration, I'm hoping for some Mechanicum Knight rules, even if the miniatures don't appear for a bit.

No doubt it'll be next, they already talked about making them for a long time.

Which kinda suck because it just delayed the making of more useful Knights. The Mechanicum knight were made for anti-infantry purpose, but hopefully they won't be a table decoration like the Warden and Castigator.

pricing info if people didn't know



AT CERASTUS KNIGHTS ACHERON & CASTIGATOR £40 - Due 01/08/20

Expectable. Twice the knights, twice the price. Unless I can find somebody who wants to buy the boltgun versions won't bother with them. Even flamer one is of dubious use.

Rules have never prevented me from buying nice models. These look great and knights are fun to paint, instant purchase or two.

For that price they might as well have released them as two separate kits.

That price probably included a printed cardboard of the terminal yes? GW cardboard are bloody expensive.

I hope the tiny sprue have enough space for another ammo belt for posing and new heads. But knowing GW, that's probably a no.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/20/the-titan-legions-of-ryza/

Chopstick wrote:
That price probably included a printed cardboard of the terminal yes? GW cardboard are bloody expensive.

That is a very good point. Only thing is that its more card than cardboard...

The Castigator can still find a home in Epic and Apocalypse matches, as well as narrative games that do incorporate infantry in various shapes and forms. I'll probably end up with some just for variety's sake.

SamusDrake wrote:
For that price they might as well have released them as two separate kits.

Yeah. I'm not sure about the marketing plan on that one.

I'll probably buy the book and cards, I guess. I'm kinda regretting diving into that voucher deal FW had going a couple months back. The plan was to use them on Ursus claws and some other assorted items for AT. But their stock levels are...dynamic, and I worry about Ursus claws becoming the new atomantic pavise (still unreleased 4 years after previews).

I just wish I could get some local people to pick AT up.

It's a consistently fun game, regardless of winning or losing, which is more than I can say for a lot of games out there.

Getting people to buy into it is difficult for some reason, though.

 godswildcard wrote:
I just wish I could get some local people to pick AT up.

It's a consistently fun game, regardless of winning or losing, which is more than I can say for a lot of games out there.

Getting people to buy into it is difficult for some reason, though.

Any idea what turns them off? Are they content in their comfort zone?

SamusDrake wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
That price probably included a printed cardboard of the terminal yes? GW cardboard are bloody expensive.

That is a very good point. Only thing is that its more card than cardboard...

The terminal for the Acheron and Castigator already exist, it is the same as for the Cerastus lancer.

SamusDrake wrote:


Any idea what turns them off? Are they content in their comfort zone?

I'd wager a guess that Titanicus doesn't have the playerbase that 40K or AoS does. Nothing to do with if the game is good or not, just the fact that getting a game will be harder, relatively speaking. I've seen that used as the explanation on why someone doesn't want to invest in a game many a time.


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Mendi Warrior wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
That price probably included a printed cardboard of the terminal yes? GW cardboard are bloody expensive.

That is a very good point. Only thing is that its more card than cardboard...

The terminal for the Acheron and Castigator already exist, it is the same as for the Cerastus lancer.

You can also downoad as needed:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/AT-Knights-Web-1.pdf

 gorgon wrote:

Yeah. I'm not sure about the marketing plan on that one.

Maybe each sprue contains a Castigator and Archeron, and they package two sprues so that they can be used as two lance banners? I don't recall seeing any photos of the sprue, though...

To be honest, the price still holds up to the Lancer kit, but that one has to purchase "two boxes" in one go. If it is £40 and comes with two terminals then thats not bad I guess.

And I suppose its a welcome break from the community page banging on about 9th edition...

SamusDrake wrote:
For that price they might as well have released them as two separate kits.

Guessing they couldn't fit two pairs of each weapon option on the sprue, so instead we get two of each to make legal units.

I'm just gonna run them as a unit of 4 Acherons ingame to keep it simple.

 godswildcard wrote:
I just wish I could get some local people to pick AT up.

It's a consistently fun game, regardless of winning or losing, which is more than I can say for a lot of games out there.

Getting people to buy into it is difficult for some reason, though.

It's at a funny spot in terms of commitment required. It's not as cheap and low-commitment as a skirmish game. But it is cheaper than 40K or AoS. Unfortunately that fact got lost in the shuffle with the pricing of the GM set. Which was also a TERRIBLE introduction to AT gameplay. I'm sure GW did very well with that set, but it wasn't the best first impression they could have made. Still, to be fair...it's not as cheap as picking up a gang box or whatever (although I'd argue that some of the bloat in those skirmish games drives the real price way up).

The models, while fantastic, also ask for more painting commitment than say, SM (slather on some contrast paints and call it a day). I'm sure there are players that look at a Warlord and are scared off. Lack of/price of terrain also might be something that some people cite, but there are really cheap alternatives. So I don't buy that one as much.

Slow release rate might also be a factor. The specialist games don't seem to have as much going on as the core games, which might dampen excitement. I'm not feeling terribly inspired by the Ryza book or releases, but I guess S&I was the 'big' release for the year...even if it's still incomplete.

I agree with you about the game...it shows off great in terms of how it looks and how it plays. It's funny to me to see all the gnashing of teeth over 40K and its many problems, when AT is a game released by the same company with both tight, tactical play and plenty of cinematic appeal. I think we just have to show the game off more once things get more back to normal and steer people to the (terrific) new starter set.

Slow release rate might also be a factor. The specialist games don't seem to have as much going on as the core games, which might dampen excitement. I'm not feeling terribly inspired by the Ryza book or releases, but I guess S&I was the 'big' release for the year...even if it's still incomplete.

Partly this, partly finding other players.

But also I fully expect GW to drop specialist games like a hot potato. Just some random corporate statement some day about 'refocusing on core properties' and its gone.
Again

Voss wrote:
But also I fully expect GW to drop specialist games like a hot potato. Just some random corporate statement some day about 'refocusing on core properties' and its gone.
Again

I can’t speak for anyone else, but if they drop Titanicus and their other specialist games then I’m gone. I have no interest in 40k or AoS and don’t play either.

I don't get the sense that SG are going anywhere anytime soon. All that stuff seems to sell out (too) quickly, which means they're making their numbers, which means it's highly profitable. And their core games seem very healthy, so no refocusing should be required. I also don't get the sense that SG is terribly resource-heavy. If anything, the staff seems overstretched.

That would be a shame if they did drop the specialist games.

I think if they had that in mind for the near future then I doubt they would have "relaunched" AT this year.

Its more a 'burn me once' thing than an actual expectation.
That and how badly they bungled Necromunda.

Necromunda...could have been handled better, for sure.

Necromunda is interesting but the rule books are just confusing.

Ready to drop the wonga on Underhive but apparently the rulebook is now useless?

I get the feeling that as Necromunda was one of the first to return GW wanted to dip their toes in in an way that let them pull out at any point. So hence a lot of "expansion" books that added bits onto bits but got all their releases pretty quick. So if the actual sales numbers were something GW could react too. If it proved a disaster they could abandon it in a "complete" state; if it were super popular in different directions they could focus on them with latter publications - which seems to be what's happened. Especially with the game now moving toward Houses having their own books not just being in one big rule book and expansions. That suggests very powerful and solid sales figures enough to make GW start treating it almost identically to a main-line game.


AT is sort of in the same pool, again multiple expansions that tend to get the models out in a decent timeframe. Though its honestly still lagging. It won't be properly under-way (in my view) until we start seeing both chaos unique models and warped models alongside Xenos.

I've a feeling that point has to come sooner rather than later - GW is steadily using up the different knight and titan variations and Imperial VS Imperial can only sustain itself so far

SamusDrake wrote:
Necromunda is interesting but the rule books are just confusing.

Ready to drop the wonga on Underhive but apparently the rulebook is now useless?

Where are you even getting Necromunda: Underhive from? It’s been OOP for months now, since before Dark Uprising dropped.

But yeah, it’s kinda been supplanted. The rules aren’t wrong exactly but as-printed they received a bunch of errata and a lot of stuff has been added since then. A lot.

Edit: For AT, I really hope the next plastic kit is a new Titan, preferably the ‘light scout’ that’s been teased repeatedly. I’m really starting to get a bit down on every other release being a Knight. Make the Asterius, Magaera, and Styrix resin upgrade kits pls.

I really want the next AT to be something pure chaos. Even if its just an upgrade kit. I think then AT is taking a bold and big step forward instead of just mucking around with Imperial only designs.

Plus the more they bulk out the Imperials the more it can end up repeating the "mistake" of Space Marine dominance. Ergo where everyone ends up playing Imperials because they have more and all the best toys.

 Albertorius wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Spaceport terrain would be so awesome...

Now you’ve got me really hoping that’s it too!

It's something I think they'll need to have once AT get to the Siege of Terra. but we've got plenty of time(hopefully) for that

In the meantime, they coudl release Epic - The Horus Heresy......

Already doing it myself

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Which Manufacturer?

Defeat in Detail (Vanguard), usually.