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First Xeno would be tied between Eldar and Orks - GW could even do them in a boxed set on their own - the Rise of the Xeno threat.

Still I think that is sadly years and years away. First up an ever expanding Imperial force, then Chaos, then Xenos.

Kyoto Secunda was looking at my Apocalypse book (now on sale in my garage sale!) and said there were Daddy Robots, Mommy Robots, Twin Robots and Baby Robots.

Hopefully those can become the new classes.

 Overread wrote:
First Xeno would be tied between Eldar and Orks - GW could even do them in a boxed set on their own - the Rise of the Xeno threat.

Still I think that is sadly years and years away. First up an ever expanding Imperial force, then Chaos, then Xenos.

Dunno.

I can see a Xenos box being done as the 40k version?

 Overread wrote:
Probably because players kept asking for a Stompa but GW didn't want to make it an ungainly dreadnought design. Seriously compare a stompa in shape and body to a dreadnought and the Stompa just seems silly if scaled the same. It worked in Epic because everything was so much smaller; but in 40K I think the Stompa fits well in the size its got now.

Just like how right above there's a user asking for the Eldar centaur units to be scaled up to knight size

People either were asking for incorrect thing or GW gave them what players did NOT want.

Funny thing is model that's pretty much spot on for real stompa HAS ALREADY BEEN RELEASED. It's simply GW screwing up names. Size is of no concern. IF they could provide good real stompa now there was no reason they couldn't do it then because real stompa is smaller than current fake stompa.

What are you on about?

Stompa is a Stompa is a Stompa.

Epic's original scale was all over the shop.

Stompa is now a clearly defined Super Heavy unit.

Looking at the pictures of the buildings, they remind me alot of the card and plastic buildings from Space Marines, all the buildings have flat square roofs, to the point that I think they are designed to put square bases on top, square bases of infantry for example.... (I estimate 30-400mm square bases?)

I think this hints that they are thinking of future expansions, and if AT is successful, we'll see it expanded to include tanks, infantry and all the other epic goodness released in time. (and hopefully Ork Gargants, I want a gargant bigmob dammit!)

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I'd expect them to add other races titans only long before going for tanks. Part of me would actually welcome no tanks or infantry appearing; keeping the game purely titans with bunkers/towers/static defences. Beyond the Imperials most other factions don't have many titan class models (orks and chaos have a respectful number even if most of chaos is just Imperial with more spikes) - so it would be a great chance to flesh out that area of combat.Seeing three of four or more titan class tyranids!

While that does sound good to a degree and I always like to see the setting fleshed out...it can be taken too far. Not every faction needs to have giant walking species-effigies, or the same amount of them. Eldar(who probably originated the concept), the Imperium(who probably copied the Eldar back in the Golden Age of Technology), the Orks(who probably copied both of them), and a few big Tyranid critters, sure, lets have them, but if they don't eventually either set the game aside or expand it into a nuEpic, we're going to get the same nonsense as 40K where everybody has to have almost the same lineup of models even if that means fluff retcons and aesthetic shoehorning.

I have zero interest in seeing Tau get Titans-but-better-than-everyone-else's-for-some-reason or giant Necron Warriors etc. Some races should have entirely different methods of warfare on the Titanic scale that aren't actual Titans at all, if nothing else just for some variety.

Eldar likely have Titans because Necrons had them in the first place....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What are you on about?

Stompa is a Stompa is a Stompa.

Epic's original scale was all over the shop.

Stompa is now a clearly defined Super Heavy unit.

Stompa used to be land raider scaled thing. NOT super heavy machine.

Current gorkanaut/morkanaut is MUCH better representation of stompa. Current 40k stompa is more like walkers between stompa and gargant.

Before 40k stompa came stompa was basically walking land raider that had guns not that much different in scale to land raider and rather than transport it had often(but not always) big h2h weapon. Not mini titan.

You could field SQUADRONS of stompas. Not that feasible with what amounts to mini-titan.

If you want to see REAL stompa look no further than gorkanaut/morkanaut.

If Necrons get Titan scale vehicles, I too would like to avoid “giant Necron warrior” as a design, but there’s no reason they can’t have an enormous version of the centipede-construct they have for 40k or something of that order.
Just gotta think outside the ‘humanoid walking tank’ box.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What are you on about?

Stompa is a Stompa is a Stompa.

Epic's original scale was all over the shop.

Stompa is now a clearly defined Super Heavy unit.

Stompa used to be land raider scaled thing. NOT super heavy machine.

Current gorkanaut/morkanaut is MUCH better representation of stompa. Current 40k stompa is more like walkers between stompa and gargant.

Before 40k stompa came stompa was basically walking land raider. Not mini titan.

It was always the same approximate size as an Imperial Knight though. And served much the same function. If anything, the Landraider should've become a Super Heavy as well.

So I'm still not quite sure what your overall point is here?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eldar likely have Titans because Necrons had them in the first place....

FW also just showed off a Knight sized Canoptic unit, so we've got an interestig starting point for Necrons now as well.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What are you on about?

Stompa is a Stompa is a Stompa.

Epic's original scale was all over the shop.

Stompa is now a clearly defined Super Heavy unit.

Stompa used to be land raider scaled thing. NOT super heavy machine.

Current gorkanaut/morkanaut is MUCH better representation of stompa. Current 40k stompa is more like walkers between stompa and gargant.

Before 40k stompa came stompa was basically walking land raider. Not mini titan.

It was always the same approximate size as an Imperial Knight though. And served much the same function. If anything, the Landraider should've become a Super Heavy as well.

So I'm still not quite sure what your overall point is here?

His point is the usual obnoxious one, that he's annoyed it's not 1992 still and that GW had the gall and temerity to dare flesh out their own setting and the expected minor alterations that can come with that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It was always the same approximate size as an Imperial Knight though.

Do you own any Space Marine 2nd Ed Stompas? I do. They were not as big as Knights, which were as big as Marines. An old Stompa mini came up to maybe a Marine's hips.

They were Land Raider equivalents, not Knight equivalents.

Don’t forget the Eldar Warlock titan with it’s psychic powers and Psy-lance (which ignored armour, if I recall correctly).

Debating scale in Epic is a pointless exercise. Many of the design decisions were more a result of the miniature design/production technology available at the time than any attempt at accurate replication of the fluff.

If you have any doubt about that statement, just look here:
https://imgur.com/a/xMLOTCv

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It was always the same approximate size as an Imperial Knight though.

Do you own any Space Marine 2nd Ed Stompas? I do. They were not as big as Knights, which were as big as Marines. An old Stompa mini came up to maybe a Marine's hips.

They were Land Raider equivalents, not Knight equivalents.

I've not seen mine for a while, but they were bigger than a Marine's hips.

Epic Orks are ancient. The whole range has been completely redone since then.

We now have a bigger Stompa and the Gorka/Morkanaught.

Vorian wrote:
You have the Wraithknight, Revnant and Phantom pretty much ready to go for Eldar. They would be the obvious first Xenos release (and my they'd be beautiful!)

Yes, they probably would be!

The Warlock Titan was a thing of beauty!



BUT...remember this thing?



Let's hope that one remains a lesson learned - and avoided!

They have the lovely FW model to shrink, don't worry

 xttz wrote:
Debating scale in Epic is a pointless exercise. Many of the design decisions were more a result of the miniature design/production technology available at the time than any attempt at accurate replication of the fluff.

If you have any doubt about that statement, just look here:
https://imgur.com/a/xMLOTCv

I never see 2nd edition Trygon before and now I have! Didn’t know that.

I've got an old stompa and knight right infront of me. The stompa and knight are basically the same size, the Knight appears a bit taller because it was sold on a base whilst the stompa free stood without a base.

The knight is a little bit taller, but really not by very much, certainly the Stompa can be a knight-sized unit without much trouble.

I thought we all agreed we would never bring up the Epic 40K Titans.

*shudder*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I thought we all agreed we would never bring up the Epic 40K Titans.

*shudder*

The Warlord from Epic was a big improvement over the original I thought. Especially the top guns; they were made far more like a battery of shoulder mounted weapons rather than the original where they stuck out a bit.



This looks far better than:

 ModernAngel wrote:
Looking at the pictures of the buildings, they remind me alot of the card and plastic buildings from Space Marines, all the buildings have flat square roofs, to the point that I think they are designed to put square bases on top, square bases of infantry for example.... (I estimate 30-400mm square bases?)

I think this hints that they are thinking of future expansions, and if AT is successful, we'll see it expanded to include tanks, infantry and all the other epic goodness released in time. (and hopefully Ork Gargants, I want a gargant bigmob dammit!)

Both Battle Bunnies and Penddraig from the Heresy 30K forum shared that FW said there are no plans for infantry and vehicles. The game is titan focused, and might include xenos titans eventually.

If you look at the gameplay, I think it's pretty clear that infantry and such would be an odd fit. What could happen later is a new version of Epic that could use these same titan models.

FYI, Penddraig has one of his typically awesome writeups of AT on the Heresy 30K forum.

I can definitely see a separate Epic game being done rather than adding infantry here.

Simplified Titan rules for a start.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I can definitely see a separate Epic game being done rather than adding infantry here.

Simplified Titan rules for a start.

Exactly.

I love tanks and big battles with loads of troops 0 but I also love big mech stomping games and I'd rather GW did one or the other not both. Plus they've scaled the titans up so they are much larger, so you'd not even get the same number of tanks and troops on the table to get that massive battle feeling.

I think keeping them separate lets GW explore the whole world of titans and knight scaled units in its own battlefield setting. It creates that idea that they are so far above regular troops that they don't even worry about them battling along.

I like the new scale - I think my old 6mm Space Marine stuff is going to work fine with this. In my mind's eye (and matched by some of the old art work), Marines are like ants compared to a Warlord titan.

I liked the aesthetic of the original designs and am glad they have kept that and not the horrible boxy 40K titans.

And that Epic 40K Phantom Titan... omg, how to kill something utterly beautiful

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It was always the same approximate size as an Imperial Knight though.

Do you own any Space Marine 2nd Ed Stompas? I do. They were not as big as Knights, which were as big as Marines. An old Stompa mini came up to maybe a Marine's hips.

They were Land Raider equivalents, not Knight equivalents.

I've not seen mine for a while, but they were bigger than a Marine's hips.

Yeah, I think some people are getting Tinboyz and Stompas confused. Tinboyz were the little ones but got sorta dropped from the line between Space Marine 1st edition and Epic: Space Marine to be replaced by the much bigger plastic Stompas which may have retained the Tinboyz stats until Epic: 40,000 when they became Baneblade/Knight equivalents.

Do you not mean Runtbots?