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2017/04/05 01:37:57
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
GodDamUser wrote: well sure the non modular terrain has 360 views.. but the modular terrain, such as cities of death do not as like stated, no set way to build them
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/04/05 01:52:09
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
kronk wrote: Also, not "relies" but realize and not "non", but none.
But now I'm being pedantic.
Edit: Pedantic is best tic!
Posting from a phone..
well sure the non modular terrain has 360 views.. but the modular terrain, such as cities of death do not as like stated, no set way to build them
the terrain is modular. I'd honestly expect a 45.00 price tag on them when they come out sans the other sets.
add in a couple of shipping containers, a landing pad, and a bunker, and you have yourself a fight.
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2017/04/05 02:10:24
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
GodDamUser wrote: well sure the non modular terrain has 360 views.. but the modular terrain, such as cities of death do not as like stated, no set way to build them
Modular terrain with 360 degree views.
I'm not counting terrain that has only 1 set way to assemble as Modular
2017/04/05 02:19:41
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
GodDamUser wrote: well sure the non modular terrain has 360 views.. but the modular terrain, such as cities of death do not as like stated, no set way to build them
Modular terrain with 360 degree views.
I'm not counting terrain that has only 1 set way to assemble as Modular
And none of the sets I listed have one set way to assemble it.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/04/05 02:23:55
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Except Scions are in carapace armour, and the Sisters have always been in power armour. The weapon options for Scions also don't fit at all, because they can't take Bolters and Sisters don't use lasguns. Special weapons are alright, at least they fit, but there's one majorly important thing you're forgetting- you only ever get one Scion and it costs you a Promethium Cache each game, outside of counts as using regular veterans.
Just a question, have you ever thought IG Veterans in 40k are a suitable counts as profile for Sisters? Cause I've never met or even heard of someone who believes that
Ironically, I think Sisters would be best represented by Chaos Marines. They have all the proper equipment, though the stats are a bit better. You could pretend they're a more veteran unit or some such.
While I hope GW puts out rules for more factions and variant lists, I doubt we can rely on that beyond GW giving us 20 more marine chapters no one asked for. There is the Inquisimunda community that has written a good number of faction rulesets compatible with Necromunda... I hope if they are compatible enough we can see a broader acceptance of those rules as stop-gaps.
2017/04/05 02:31:45
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
And none of the sets I listed have one set way to assemble it.
I would really love to see the multiple ways you could assemble a section of Fort wall...
Or the tau gun line....
With the other sections listed, obviously. That doesn't make them any less modular.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/04/05 02:33:56
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
This tangent does afford an opportunity to discuss how suitable or unsuitable a lot of the existing terrain pieces are for Shadow War. Most of what's available emphasizes breaking up the surface of the play area as opposed to verticality. Which existing terrain pieces would be best for Shadow War?
You can really make that stuff as tall as you want really.. I played a 40k game once on a piece that was 7 levels high
You just need to clearly have worked out where the 'ladders' are. We generally played it when playing Necro on CoD terrain, anywhere on a floor tile that had a hatch had a ladder leading up to it for when we didn't have enough ladders
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Ghaz wrote: With the other sections listed, obviously. That doesn't make them any less modular.
That's not really a modular kit then.. that just means it can be combined.
They are still individual kits that have a intended configuration
While CoD and these new Shadow War pieces can be made any way you like
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2017/04/05 03:11:03
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Ghaz wrote: With the other sections listed, obviously. That doesn't make them any less modular.
That's not really a modular kit then.. that just means it can be combined.
They are still individual kits that have a intended configuration
While CoD and these new Shadow War pieces can be made any way you like
Yes. It is a modular kit since it can be added to other kits in different configurations. Just because you can't use the kit to make alternate builds does not mean its not modular.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/04/05 03:39:52
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Got my copy yesterday. Have to say that I'm impressed with terrain and the rulebook. Though I still doubt I'll be playing it. Maybe read the fluff part for once
Yeah - regardless of what "modular" means to a given person, it's clear that kits like the Tidewall are not "modular" is the same sense as the Shadow War stuff.
Manchu wrote: This tangent does afford an opportunity to discuss how suitable or unsuitable a lot of the existing terrain pieces are for Shadow War. Most of what's available emphasizes breaking up the surface of the play area as opposed to verticality. Which existing terrain pieces would be best for Shadow War?
I think a simple rule is whatever you have bought, you want more than one of.
Verticality can be a problem in Necro as a heavy stubber in cover on 3-4 level podium can dominate a 4' x 4' table, so if you have a tower of some sort you might want some of the new Ferro-Furnace type kits to break up higher fire corridors.
At ground level I think anything you buy will add to the game, so yeah defence line and even The Khirne Skull Fort Playset will do the trick. I've played some very good games on single level Zone Mortalis type terrain (homemade corridors using foam) that once it was packed with crates and computer terminal type scatter terrain was a very offering experience that offered an additional tactical element beyond 'hide from the heavy'.
Of course there are other companies that do terrain and I'd suggest anyone that wants to get a really challenging game needs to go and get as much scatter tarragon as they can get. There are a number of companies that do MDF crates and pallets which are best. By way of example I'm playing Necromunda tonight and I've got a 40k box with about 100+ pieces to throw on the table. Allot of mine is resin bits from Micro Arts Studio as well.
Anyway the message to anyone new is don't scrimp on terrain in Necro/SWA, most weapons are deadly and armour is negated allot of the time so you want cover, lots and lots of cover. A soldier in the open is going to go out of action quickly.
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2017/04/05 09:29:28
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Yodhrin wrote: The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.
Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.
So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?
Cool!
Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)
Ok, so rather than going to the vendor's website I can go and find some images "on the net somewhere?"
Cool!
You see where this is going? There's basically no reason for the very best images of something I can't yet see physically in person being freely available from the company that wants to sell it to me.
For free, and without having to go digging for them.
You guys fancy pointing out the part where I defended the lack of GW website images? In fact, I pointed out they had a tonne more they could have added. Which somehow got taken as me being a white knight. Plenty of hostility on the net without finding some that isn't there. ;-)
Firstly, nobody used white knight until you did.
Secondly, it is very difficult to take "but do this alternative thing" as anything but an attempt to excuse the current status quo by diminishing the issue because "you can do this alternative thing instead." Diminishing someone's objections is pretty much impossible to take as anything but a defence of whatever it is that's attracting criticism.
You made poor points, points which anyone participating in the thread would almost certainly already have been aware of, and points which didn't actually address the core issue Yodhrin raised.
Finally, there's no hostility, only responses to a not terribly strong counter argument, any hostility you've invested into the posts yourself.
No, you didn't use the exact term white Knight but people posted attacking me as if I was acting as one. So it's relevant shorthand to just use that term. Typing out these sentences wasted my brevity.
No, I didn't diminish anything or reject anyone's complaints. I said they had a tonne of photos they could have used. Two people leapt on me. Eh, rereading I get you could misconstrue my meaning but reactions were disproportionate regardless. Not your enemy.
No, I've not invested hostility into the posts myself. People attacked my posts (you're still doing it) so a shorter way of saying that is 'hostility'. I didn't invite attacks or criticism, hell, I getting agree they should have printed sufficient and posted the photos they have. Not your enemy. ;-)
I do think there is significant overreacting going on to all this. It's not the end of the word that a set of mandollies sold out. Be disappointed, sure. Angry? Riiight. Salty? Fair enough. Raging and arguing about it? Go do some hobby.
Feel free to PM me if you'd like to continue your discussion about me and my posts as it's off topic to continue discussing me.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/04/05 09:33:30
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Really stupid anyway because when those kits go up for individual sale they'll have more photos, and Shadow War isn't available on the site at the moment anyway.
The whole "nobody used the term white knight" thing is pitiful too. Exactly as squidhead there said, that's what you were accusing him of, you waste everyone's time with that silly aside. And as for hostility, that's in the eye of the beholder. The sarcasm can certainly be reasonably interpreted as hostility, it's belittling. At least have the balls to stand by it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Re: terrain, I can't recommend Mantic's battlezones terrain highly enough. It's like a meccano set. I got more of it than I could use for about £40 in one of the big sets, from a discounter. Lots of scope for multi level buildings, corridors, gantries, mix of los blocking and non blocking bulkheads, etc. Really fantastic stuff.
Re: terrain, I can't recommend Mantic's battlezones terrain highly enough. It's like a meccano set. I got more of it than I could use for about £40 in one of the big sets, from a discounter. Lots of scope for multi level buildings, corridors, gantries, mix of los blocking and non blocking bulkheads, etc. Really fantastic stuff.
I've been toying with getting one of the large sets, probably the huge industrial set, but I've had some really crappy minis from them in the past, and its put me off ever buying from them again. Plus, the connection pin things are a bit rubbish looking as they have gaps and holes in all the large parts, that seem like too much work to disguise. Shame though, as the set looks like it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play on.