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 Shuma-Gorath wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Anyone played Tyranids yet? Their stats look really, really good for this game, and I'm dying to try them out (miniatures are buried away in storage at the moment...)

Also, why didn't they include Lictors instead of a Tyranid Warrior Prime as a special agent?

Probably because the old 2nd edition rules for lictors were very powerful.

They had overall far better stats than a tyranid warrior.
Could spot hidden units at twice it's initiative
Natural -1 to hit modifier
Had extra rules for hiding so even units within initiative distance couldn't find it or shoot it.
An unmodifiable saving throw of 5+, even against things like vortex grenades
Caused fear
Had flesh hooks style gun to drag units towards it.
immune to any leadership test
Had infiltration
Was poisonous so could further wound multi-wound models.
They could take one bio-morph upgrade

Basically Lictors were amazing in the old rules.

Shadow war mainly uses current w40k stats, could them a bunch of special rules though.
I'd use rules similar to the solitare. The real reason is no plastic kit.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Look through the assembly instructions, as B3 (I think it is) is used elsewhere, and B4 (without the fan) is in with the B3 and B4 for the same platform. That same sprue is used in the Ferratonic Furnace and the Galvanic Magnavent kits.

I know what they're from, but the Shadow War building sprues are there to build one specific building. It has it's own Shadow War-branded instruction book, rather than just a generic instruction book for this type of terrain. That's why you get the sprues you get.

Zwan1One wrote:
I mean they should have a lot of options. But I think gw will streamline because they don't have any plastic kits and 'no model, no rule'.

FIFY.

 Skinnereal wrote:

puree wrote:
You do get 8 sprues of terrain in the box. It is not quite the same 8 sprues from the 3 boxes on pre-order, SWA has an extra sprue of the large octagonal platform instead of the extra double thin chimney srpue you'd get buying separate.

Note this bit:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I got the following sprues:
Two of this.

Look through the assembly instructions, as B3 (I think it is) is used elsewhere, and B4 (without the fan) is in with the B3 and B4 for the same platform.
That same sprue is used in the Ferratonic Furnace and the Galvanic Magnavent kits.

No that sprue is not in the Galvanic Magnavent.

Yes you get two of that sprue. That sprue in the individual boxes is only available in the feratonic furnace. So the box gives you an extra one. But if you had bought all 3 boxes of individual terrain you would have 2 sprues of the tall thin chimney, when you only get 1 in the box. So the box has given you 8 sprues (as you would get buying 3 boxes separate), but it has swapped the out a chimney one for an extra platform one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
I mean they should have a lot of options. But I think gw will streamline because they don't have any plastic kits and 'no model, no rule'.

FIFY.

Yeah there's that. On the GW website they have:
Basic Inquisitors
Death cult assassins
Crusaders
Arch flagellants
Priests/missionary
Acolytes
Servitor
Jokaero

They'll need to add some kind of troop in there. Maybe Scions?
Will be interesting how they fit everything into leader, specialist and troop groupings.

puree wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

puree wrote:
You do get 8 sprues of terrain in the box. It is not quite the same 8 sprues from the 3 boxes on pre-order, SWA has an extra sprue of the large octagonal platform instead of the extra double thin chimney srpue you'd get buying separate.

Note this bit:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I got the following sprues:
Two of this.

Look through the assembly instructions, as B3 (I think it is) is used elsewhere, and B4 (without the fan) is in with the B3 and B4 for the same platform.
That same sprue is used in the Ferratonic Furnace and the Galvanic Magnavent kits.

No that sprue is not in the Galvanic Magnavent.

Yes you get two of that sprue. That sprue in the individual boxes is only available in the feratonic furnace. So the box gives you an extra one. But if you had bought all 3 boxes of individual terrain you would have 2 sprues of the tall thin chimney, when you only get 1 in the box. So the box has given you 8 sprues (as you would get buying 3 boxes separate), but it has swapped the out a chimney one for an extra platform one.

Sounds like the box is even better than buying the three boxes, since more platforms would be more useful for most I bet.

puree wrote:
No that sprue is not in the Galvanic Magnavent.

I've been and checked, and you're correct, from the snaps on the GW site.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Why is this game being regarded as a 'disaster' in some circles? I gather it was sold out almost immediately which is aggravating, but what else is 'wrong' here?

Because they produced FAR too few copies to meet demand, which was massive... which is a disastrous marketing strategy as it just results in loads of money going to scalpers instead of Games Workshop. And thus diminishes the company's profit margin by an enormous amount.

 Melissia wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Why is this game being regarded as a 'disaster' in some circles? I gather it was sold out almost immediately which is aggravating, but what else is 'wrong' here?

Because they produced FAR too few copies to meet demand, which was massive... which is a disastrous marketing strategy as it just results in loads of money going to scalpers instead of Games Workshop. And thus diminishes the company's profit margin by an enormous amount.

Sort of, the scalper buys with the sole intent to resell. So there is only one true customer in that instance, the scalper's end customer. GW would not have sold two copies, they still would have sold one.

"Enormous amount" - take it you've got some numbers then

I get people are salty but all we know is there was an amount of unfulfilled demand. We've got little idea what the end result of that is, of what the thought process \ analysis was, etc. Load of armchair investors shittalking based on pure speculation

If the rules were the only bit actually missing, why didn't they think to put them on Black Library?
The scenery isn't really new, and the models certainly aren't, so ebook rules would have saved this whole issue.

I got all the non-platform bits together last night.
I am happy to report they are a minimal number of parts and are very modular so I expect a few kits would be impressive.
The fit is awesome, zero gaps I could see when gluing, a bit fussy with the 4-part round objects but a couple elastics did a good job.
My only concern is committing to a set configuration for the platforms and how the piping/equipment bits will be attached.
Still not sure about using that enormous skull hook... it begs the question "what on earth do they use it for?".
I am now trying to figure out how to integrate this with the prior Necromunda terrain bulkheads (using plastic card rather than the printed paper card).

Turns out the new terrain heights are a bit off from the old (~6 3/4" for a double-stack of old bulkheads vs new pillars vs 5 3/4").

BTW if you like the look of this old school terrain, a kickstarter may be just the thing here but all that is left is the "club pack":
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1470715003/industrial-bulkhead-terrain-for-28mm-wargaming/?ref=kicktraq

The good thing is that there are so many terrain choices it borders on ridiculous.

Now to figure out an Inquisition team... Acolyte would have to be a leader rather than an actual Inquisitor I would think.

GodDamUser wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Draccan wrote:
Any thought on how well Tau functions in this game?

Fairly interestingly.

They're extremely points heavy, but man are there some nasty tricks.

Some people are complaining they are too short range, as they are all pathfinders as opposed to firewarriors

Thx!

Guess I just have to try... got two boxes of SWA on their way and a box of pathfinders..

Short range could be quite problematic with Tau..

Zwan1One wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
Can't imagine the inquisition will have a ton of options.

Wut?

I mean they should have a lot of options. But I think gw will streamline it for simplicity.

I think the number of options depends on how their team list is organized. Typically Inquisition henchmen squads have been characterized by their specialized diversity. If GW represents all of those henchmen types, the large number member types to choose from maybe the extent of their options. Alternatively these Killteams could have slightly more generic henchmen types that you construct with upgrades to represent all the typical henchmen types; at that point the equipment dictates the diversity.

I think some might be disappointed with the Inquisition list. No other faction's list includes a captain level character, so I don't think Inquisition Killteams will necessarily have an Inquisitor. I think an Inquisitor from each Ordo could well be the special operatives for this team.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, who else is hassling GW to do more and more with this scale of game?

I am. I'd love to get it to the stage where we can run Rogue Trader type forces (era and background) - so perhaps your crew might contain a Kroot, an Eldar Corsair, couple of Bloodaxes etc.

Really open it up, let us explore the galaxy in a smaller, more intimate environment - especially as sadly the FFG roleplay books are no longer in production.

Imagine a head-honcho Rogue Trader squabbling over derelict space craft with his peers, all sending in their own explortator teams etc.

"Open Play". Play it "unbounded".

As I said in another post, the rules are pretty easy to homebrew for doing this kind of thing. I hope GW sees a financial opportunity here, *and* that they have a gateway game to get people into the hobby which they've lacked for some time.

GW website as got a slight redesign. New webstore exclusive symbol and new order button.

WD editor is joining the Twitch on Thursday, had no idea this will be 40 years of WD. Hope we get a little sneak peak of what's to come and hope it's a bit 'rotten.'

Well - for terrain, I bought two box sets plus two Galvanic Magnavents. I also have a set of Aegis Defense Line, a set of Munitorum Armored Containers, and two sets of Prometheum Relay Pipes. I'd like to get a set of Haemotope Reactors and maybe a Void Shield Generator to round it all off. I figure this should be enough to fill up a 4x4 mat. I'd still like a separate ladder sprue.

Here's an idea for the terrain masters at GW: use the new sector mechanicus kits to recreate the Deathwatch Overkill scenario(s) in 3D.

Manchu wrote:
Well - for terrain, I bought two box sets plus two Galvanic Magnavents. I also have a set of Aegis Defense Line, a set of Munitorum Armored Containers, and two sets of Prometheum Relay Pipes. I'd like to get a set of Haemotope Reactors and maybe a Void Shield Generator to round it all off. I figure this should be enough to fill up a 4x4 mat. I'd still like a separate ladder sprue.

Do you have access to any of the ladders from the last wave of modular plastics? (Imperial Sector etc) Do they fit?

 Eldarain wrote:
Do you have access to any of the ladders from the last wave of modular plastics? (Imperial Sector etc)

Sadly no!

Forgeworld and Shadow War - via Natfka


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?Nu=product.repositoryId&Nao=0&N=102580+4073639926&qty=8&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat2140034

 Eldarain wrote:
Do you have access to any of the ladders from the last wave of modular plastics? (Imperial Sector etc) Do they fit?

They're too short - 3 inches for Imperial Sector, 5 for Sector Mechanicus.

Nice stuff, unexpected.

But did FW discountinue the Krieg ''Standing'' squad when I wasn't looking?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Here's an idea for the terrain masters at GW: use the new sector mechanicus kits to recreate the Deathwatch Overkill scenario(s) in 3D.

That is a great homebrew idea and something I'd like to try so long as the missions do not hinge on arrangement of terrain as a I plan to glue the terrain together and paint it.

beast_gts wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Do you have access to any of the ladders from the last wave of modular plastics? (Imperial Sector etc) Do they fit?

They're too short - 3 inches for Imperial Sector, 5 for Sector Mechanicus.

Could work for the Void Shield Generator?

Manchu wrote:
Well - for terrain, I bought two box sets plus two Galvanic Magnavents. I also have a set of Aegis Defense Line, a set of Munitorum Armored Containers, and two sets of Prometheum Relay Pipes. I'd like to get a set of Haemotope Reactors and maybe a Void Shield Generator to round it all off. I figure this should be enough to fill up a 4x4 mat. I'd still like a separate ladder sprue.

Sounds like you have a pretty similar setup to me in mind. I am probably going to get another Magnavent and Furnace, to go along with the box. I have a set of pipes, reactors, two manufactorums, some craters, an Aegis, and a FAT Mat that looks like a manufacturing district. I am aiming to make my terrain look like a ruined Forge World.

Size comparison with Necromunda bulkheads...

 Fango wrote:
Size comparison with Necromunda bulkheads...

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Nice.

nothing a little hobbifing cant fix.

 Shuma-Gorath wrote:

Had flesh hooks style gun to drag units towards it.

That was the most fun =D

Shoot past a Vortex marker and drag characters into it =D


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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Here's an idea for the terrain masters at GW: use the new sector mechanicus kits to recreate the Deathwatch Overkill scenario(s) in 3D.

Oh that idea gave me a chubby


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 Bobthehero wrote:
Nice stuff, unexpected.

But did FW discountinue the Krieg ''Standing'' squad when I wasn't looking?

No they are just highlighting a few items for Shadow War

But the Ork kit does look quite nice

 Fango wrote:
Size comparison with Necromunda bulkheads...

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Excellent comparison shots. Thank you for these.

Seems they're about 5" high, not 6". Interesting.

Oggthrok wrote:
Alas, I called my FLGS to see if my pre-order was in, and was informed they had not received enough to fulfil the Shadow War preorders. So, now I'm one of the rest of the grumpy kids, sad because I'm missing out.

At the very least, I'm hoping GW takes from this just how badly pent up 40k fans are for a skirmish size game. I didn't even realize I wanted such a thing, but I tried to buy two, so I guess I did.

It's worth mentioning, as appealing as this box set was, have you noticed how unappealing the thought of buying the terrain separately and getting the rules from an Ebook is? I'm not sure why, but doing that, versus the $130 box set, just feels like a let down. I think on some level, I just want Shadow War to be a forever thing, to lure in new players, even though in my own life I really don't need marine scouts or Orks...

I'd gladly buy a hard copy of the book, I love ebooks for novels but for gaming which involves lots of flicking back and forth I still prefer hard copies. Got plenty of scouts and Orks and the terrain, it's not horrible but its nothing I need.

Short story even shorter I would happily do without everything but the book.