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 Alpharius wrote:
Bad sign, coincidence, or...something else?

Nuclear Armageddon in the UK - it's yet to reach you guys as you're five/six hours behind us!

This is all a ploy to generate loads of ad revenue for Morphidius due to us refreshing the webstore and Facebook pages constantly.

(or perhaps because FFG has just put their boardgame up for pre-order, can't have that getting too much of a head start even if they're not really comparable)

They posted a Fallout "Please Stand By" TV Card to twitter 5 minutes ago so hopefully means something is on the way soon.


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https://www.modiphius.net/collections/fallout-wasteland-warfare/products/fallout-wasteland-warfare-vault-tec-complete-package-bundle It's live.

Annoyingly some of the bundled items (e.g. Wasteland creatures, scenery) do not contain all of the contents of the individual packs and these are the packs included in the bundles.

Those prices are fething INSANE.

Completely put me off. I either wait for retail and for the discounts to take them down to more sensible levels, or just stick with This is Not a Test and get any Wasteland Warfare stuff at special sales or clearance.

As an aside, for me to be put off this product takes a LOT. I have been a massive Fallout fan ever since the first game released and a tabletop Fallout game has been a desire of mine since the 90's. I just simply cannot justify paying those flying rodent gak crazy asking prices.

Yep. It's £700 for complete set with a preorder bonus model but to actually get the missing scenery and wasteland creatures means ordering seperately and brings the amount to around £850.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Those prices are fething INSANE.

Yep I'm out for now. The Two Player Starter Set isn't too bad at $79.99 for 12 miniatures. The problem is I have no idea what future stuff will be packaged as, if they will be packaged. All the other packages are 2-Player Starter + Expansion (basically). Would have preferred to see just Two-Player Starter and then add-on expansions. Visually was just sticker shock though. Without knowing the pros and cons for different factions, what I need of what I am not going to jump in a All In either.

It's a shame as I really want to support them as they are making a real effort to make the game solo friendly but missing items annoys me (most likely more than it should, pet peace of mine) and worried the higher than expected cost may put some people off and was really hoping for a local gaming scene.

Some of these things are just baffling. $34 for a fething Corvega? $20 for 4 barrels? $34 for 6 Ghouls?

Gotta love the BoS "core box" that has 6 mooks and ONE suit of power armour in it. Oh yeah, $54 please.

HIGHLY disappointed....

To be honest, the price per model seems mostly fair, with a few exceptions. Clocking it at £40 for the 8 model sets and £20-25 for the 3-4 model expansions, it's clocking in at somewhere between Infinity, Malifaux and old Batman prices, which isn't that bad for licensed and resin models.

I do wonder if they'd have been better off cutting the faction starters down to half the models/price; £40 is a significant buy-in to a skirmish even if that does give you a good chunk of what you need for a faction; as someone just in it for the models, the smaller expansion sets are more enticing, it might be more per model but it's less to drop in one go, more in line with what I'd expect from a 'starter' for a game like this that you can then build on.

Most of the models themselves look good, and there's quite a large range for a launch of a new game. I was thinking we'd see Institute at launch seeing as they've already shown quite a few of their models, and I find it strange that X6-88 is bundled with Cait and Piper, I'd have expected him to be in an Institute character pack rather than sold with two characters who he's morally opposite. Speaking of characters, Danse and Cait don't look great, but the rest are decent.

The scenery seems way too expensive, but I feel that way about most scenery. I appreciate it is a big chunk of resin for stuff like the Corvega car.

The biggest concern is the shipping date, I thought it'd been mentioned they were aiming to have this stuff out for Christmas. Hope there's not any trouble behind the scenes holding it back. Still, means I have time for other stuff now, I'm actually glad that Shadespire, Necromunda, Fallout and BMG 2.0 aren't coming out within the space of a couple of months!

They did mention that the shipping would most likely slip to next year a few weeks ago due to delays with costings.

Got to agree with Paradigm, while it's a huge price tag for a complete(ish) set, the price per resin model is fair. I frequently buy resin models at comparable prices. As said, it's a licensed product, and considering this it's not that bad.

Well, I'm good to my word though and I don't feel bad about it, so it's the big complete set for me. So long, money. We had lots of fun together, but now it's time to part.

At this point I'd like to thank everyone who voted for Britain to leave the EU. You made this purchase possible.

Someone has just pointed out that the starter set is actually pvc according to the description. I am assuming that's a mistake as Chris did say that this set was resin with larger pvc starter next year.

80 bucks for 12 PVC models might be a tad much. but odd question.

it seems the bundles say its ALL resin instead is that the case?

Also do we have any actual finished product pictures?

i know there are some vids but i cant watch that at the office.

Id rather pick up all resin rather than PVC personally. i may just pick up the models to paint and pick up a starter later. or something.

From what I can see, the starter set is preassembled PVC, the 'Two-player Starter Set Models: Collector's Resin Set' is the starter models in actual resin.

 Paradigm wrote:
From what I can see, the starter set is preassembled PVC, the 'Two-player Starter Set Models: Collector's Resin Set' is the starter models in actual resin.

Ima make the assumption that the resin models set only comes with models and not everything else needed to play then.

Hmm tough choice.

do i go painters route and not care about the game or do i get the game and have a bunch of PVC i dont care about.

Look forward to the non render size comparison pictures of the minis prior to putting a pre order in.

From Facebook:

Spoiler:

We decided to go with pre-assembled PVC to get the price of the starter set down for everyone - if it had been resin it would have been closer to £80, and would have been less figures, we've also been able to add in the Deathclaw. However the resin upgrade set allows those who prefer resin to ensure they can get those particular figures in resin.

Prices are high but that's pretty understandable. Resin is very labor intensive and can get real expensive real fast, especially for multi part or dynamic models and even more especially if you are paying someone else to make them for you rather than doing it yourself.

PVC is also pricey, at least if you are going with minimum amounts like 1000 copies, because the mold costs are so high, it's really only worth it if you're able to produce tons of stuff.

I think everything looks great and I love fallout but I'm gonna have to pass for now. I might look into it later on though when I get more spare cash to play with.

Yikes. Those licensing fees must be pretty high.

Too many unknowns to jump on the preorder. I'll be following intently though

 Necros wrote:
Prices are high but that's pretty understandable. Resin is very labor intensive and can get real expensive real fast, especially for multi part or dynamic models and even more especially if you are paying someone else to make them for you rather than doing it yourself.

PVC is also pricey, at least if you are going with minimum amounts like 1000 copies, because the mold costs are so high, it's really only worth it if you're able to produce tons of stuff.

I think everything looks great and I love fallout but I'm gonna have to pass for now. I might look into it later on though when I get more spare cash to play with.

It makes sense

Though i REALLY wish they had an option for starter set with resin instead of PVC for that 80 pound price point.

id be checked out right now if they did.

Well that's all far to expensive to look at seriously for me anymore for PVC. I was not exactly impressed at the quality of the one actual model we've seen. Not worth whats essentially a premium price. That Deathclaw if done right is cool though. I agree about the melty ghouls. dunno why beth can't just follow the fallout lore about stuff like this. Still better than the goofy looking FO3 ones though.

Also watching the first turn video makes two things clear to me. Companies like this should look to a you-tuber working in this area to demo their game. Too much cross-talk and half explaining/back tracking made the video hard to follow mechanics wise.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some of these things are just baffling. $34 for a fething Corvega? $20 for 4 barrels? $34 for 6 Ghouls?

Gotta love the BoS "core box" that has 6 mooks and ONE suit of power armour in it. Oh yeah, $54 please.

HIGHLY disappointed....

I agree, the pricing is disappointing. $34 for a single piece resin car seems like a lot. I guess the plans for having the interior included fell through, too. I am further left scratching my head when the Deathclaw and Sentry Bot are both cheaper than the scatter terrain car.

Also, Cait, one of the figures I was most looking forward to, has an awful face sculpt and a XBOX HUGE shotgun. Bleh.

Waiting for retail.

Ouch, more expensive than I thought it was going to be.

Trying to figure out now if I want to get one of the big bundles or just get the starter set and add a bunch of individual stuff I want. I'm not sure what kind of discount there is with the big bundles.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Ouch, more expensive than I thought it was going to be.

Trying to figure out now if I want to get one of the big bundles or just get the starter set and add a bunch of individual stuff I want. I'm not sure what kind of discount there is with the big bundles.

its like 20 pounds off.

But at the same time there are no real options.

its great if you have a specific set you want.

 Desubot wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Ouch, more expensive than I thought it was going to be.

Trying to figure out now if I want to get one of the big bundles or just get the starter set and add a bunch of individual stuff I want. I'm not sure what kind of discount there is with the big bundles.

its like 20 pounds off.

But at the same time there are no real options.

its great if you have a specific set you want.

The big bundle is also only good if you don't mind not getting the full packs of Deathclaws, Radroaches, vaultech crates, consoles and Nuca cola vending machines as you end up having to rebuy sets otherwise which gets very costly, very quickly.

I am surprised that there are not more pre-order incentives. The Star Trek preorder campaign had stretch goals which unlocked two additional exclusive models to the big bundle.

A bit disappointing for sure.

I will probably get the Supermutant set, but I really wanted the all in. Just too much. Especially since we haven't seen actual figures yet.

Shame too since Fallout is one of my all time favorites and I've wanted a tabletop game of it for a long while.

Ended up just eating the PVC and got a bunch of small stuff that i enjoy.

(robit box set yas)

Best thing to do is to wait for the AVP prices when this stuff starts rotting on the shelves.

Local shops are having some serious fire sales with the laods of excessive gear that is sitting on the shelves gathering dust. This is all games. COnversation is down to the issue that the industry is inching towards a "Breaking Point".

And By and By, in relation to the trends- if anyone wants some good priced GW or Warmachine stuff, give me a holler, my shops are having a glut on their hands, and don't know what to do about it.

They are selling them by sprues, or army....

YMMV, but I am in suspicion that this issue is going to start cropping up across the "Community", as people try to get in on this one and get to the door and decide they don't want to commit.

This companies "Star Trek" game is in the same boat. 8 guys for over 50 bucks and more insane price structures...Modiphius has no idea that they are on the chopping block when they do this to the customer, and if it continues, they will be out of business this year, because they are pushing more to make these products and gut themselves on license, then they will in gaining players and sales.

Take note, same issue happened to Mongoose, and I see the same trend emerging.

Aeneades wrote:Someone has just pointed out that the starter set is actually pvc according to the description. I am assuming that's a mistake as Chris did say that this set was resin with larger pvc starter next year.

Yes we weren't happy with the pricing on the resin starter (with all the overseas production required for dice, counters, cards etc so decided to go the hardened pvc route to give better value for money, cheaper price and means we're better able to get stock out there. It also means a pre-assembled starter set to get more people in to the hobby quickly.

DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Some of these things are just baffling. $34 for a fething Corvega? $20 for 4 barrels? $34 for 6 Ghouls?

Gotta love the BoS "core box" that has 6 mooks and ONE suit of power armour in it. Oh yeah, $54 please.

HIGHLY disappointed....

I agree, the pricing is disappointing. $34 for a single piece resin car seems like a lot. I guess the plans for having the interior included fell through, too. I am further left scratching my head when the Deathclaw and Sentry Bot are both cheaper than the scatter terrain car.

Also, Cait, one of the figures I was most looking forward to, has an awful face sculpt and a XBOX HUGE shotgun. Bleh.

Waiting for retail.

Yes the covega is a huge piece of resin - that really pushes up production costs. The BoS suit is balanced well - you need a good mixture of soldiers in combat armour, Scribes who can do hacking, and the T60 is very powerful - especially with the Gatling laser which is an insane weapon. Remember the T60 is a BIG figure on a 40mm base. This all pushes up the costs and we include a whole set of BoS themed cards - from units to gear, AI, etc in the box to kit out your BoS force.

The Sentry Bot is actually smaller resin pieces and doesn't use up the volume of resin as the Corvega, same goes for the Deathclaw

Grot 6 wrote:
This companies "Star Trek" game is in the same boat. 8 guys for over 50 bucks and more insane price structures...Modiphius has no idea that they are on the chopping block when they do this to the customer, and if it continues, they will be out of business this year, because they are pushing more to make these products and gut themselves on license, then they will in gaining players and sales.

Remember that's 8 unique licensed character figures for 52 bucks - if you compare that to other minis lines you're typically getting 10 man units for over 50 bucks with several repeats. Licenses don't come free and nor does having each figure unique in the box - that's a huge cost in sculpting. The two 10 man squads are also $52 again for a licensed resin set and with some repeats like other similar lines. We're not using the cheapest manufacturers but what we believe are one of the best and that comes with a cost. We're not out to screw people over we look carefully at costs, see where we can shave things down, or increase the value. With Fallout we spent a long time working on the costs, trying to get them down but at some point you risk compromising the quality for the customer too and that's not worth it.