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 Rippy wrote:
I'm not sure this is an 8th edition rumour guys

It is Rippy, she teases a future 40k event for Blood Angels

"After a brutal campaign in the Cryptus System fighting the alien tyranids, Lord Dante returns to Baal to marshal the entire Blood Angels Chapter and their Successors against Hive Fleet Leviathan. Thus begins the greatest conflict in the history of the sons of Sanguinius. Despite a valiant battle in the void around Baal, the Blood Angels are unable to stop the tyranids drawing ever closer, but their petitions for reinforcements are met with dread news. The Cadian Gate, the Imperium’s most stalwart bastion against Chaos, has fallen. In their darkest hour, no help will reach the beleaguered Dante and his warriors. Is this truly then the Time of Ending?"

Check this and the comments below

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2004

It's specifically related to a rumor posted by Atia regarding the GW release today. She goes in to more details in the comments.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Did Dakka miss the Sanguinis teaser from Atia?

Lady Atia Mod Starchild • 17 minutes ago

Well, I just want to threw out that everything (or atleast most) you think to know about the Horus vs Emperor fight will be retconned.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2004#comment-3308960760

Well, I guess that is what she meant

I need to know more.

GW, stop. You're undermining everything you've built your background on....

So they are gonna make all Primarchs alive to sell them... oh sweet


See guys? This is what you get for buying all those Forgeworld's Horus Heresy marines.

I hope you are proud!

"Well, I just want to threw out that everything (or atleast most) you think to know about the Horus vs Emperor fight will be retconned."

Lady Atia,


p

TIL Laurie Golding is a dude.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm fully on board with retconning some things to allow more primarchs to return. I am one of those with that opinion. They're really cool, and are what drew me to the hobby to begin with.

And here I've said the opposite: that GW needs to kill off more primarchs in the Horus Heresy to give the story more weight at depth. It used to be that primarchs fighting one another meant somebody died. Horus/Sanguinius. Ferrus/Fulgrim, Guilliman/Alpharius, Guilliman/Fulgrim.

The novel series reduced primarch fights to fan service. The Japanese schoolgirl panty shot of 30K. Everyone has a nice tussle, and then it gets broken up and they live to fight another day.

The Horus Heresy would do well to kill off some of the "expendable" primarchs at Terra who don't factor into any important later events. Lorgar, Mortarion, Khaaaaaan, Corax come to mind. I'd include Vulkan, but really, bored of him dying and coming back over and over, lol.

Correct, Ceph, that's what I meant

It is cryptic. Just a teaser. This could turn out to be a misunderstanding, too

Lets wait for more info about how GW will actually do this. Could turn out to be a good retcon.

Sanguinius isn't coming back

There's always been a line of thinking that Sanguinius' "soul" didn't perish with his body, and that's what the Sanguinor represents, so, given the Imperium has now got a handle on better gene forge tech and RG has apparently had a nice chat with his dad, there's a plausible narrative to bring him back.

Whether it's the right thing or not, is a different argument.


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LightKing wrote:
Sanguinius isn't coming back

Citation needed.

Wait a second people are hating on the Indomitus Crusade


why? we havn't even learned anything about it yet?

Oh boy, here we go.

Once they start saying primarchs that died didn't actually die, you can be sure we're off the deep end of the creativity for the setting.

I'm sure the retcons will be totally respectful of what makes 40k interesting as a setting for a wargame, and won't at all be a sanitising and homogenising of the various story elements for practical marketing purposes...

HERE WE GO

The whole premise of the blood angels is a chapter that lives every day with the repercussions of the death of their primarch.

Everything about them, including the very way the chapter is organized, revolves around it.

If he is not dead, then no death company, no mephiston, no sanguinary priests, nothing.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
I'm not sure this is an 8th edition rumour guys

It is Rippy, she teases a future 40k event for Blood Angels

"After a brutal campaign in the Cryptus System fighting the alien tyranids, Lord Dante returns to Baal to marshal the entire Blood Angels Chapter and their Successors against Hive Fleet Leviathan. Thus begins the greatest conflict in the history of the sons of Sanguinius. Despite a valiant battle in the void around Baal, the Blood Angels are unable to stop the tyranids drawing ever closer, but their petitions for reinforcements are met with dread news. The Cadian Gate, the Imperium’s most stalwart bastion against Chaos, has fallen. In their darkest hour, no help will reach the beleaguered Dante and his warriors. Is this truly then the Time of Ending?"

Check this and the comments below

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2004

Greatest conflict in the history of the sons of Sanguinius? Are they retconning out the Horus Heresy sections back when Blood Angel legion strength was above that of all the current successor chapters combined and they helped defend the Holy Terra from Horus' final assault (and lost their primarch as a consequence of that desperate gambit)? So I guess now that's not good enough, huh, GW?

LightKing wrote:
Wait a second people are hating on the Indomitus Crusade


why? we havn't even learned anything about it yet?

1- GW covered it today.

2- The misuse of this trope is mainly why there have been complaints about it. We know a fair bit from the article today and the video from a couple of weeks ago.

 Jambles wrote:
Oh boy, here we go.

Once they start saying primarchs that died didn't actually die, you can be sure we're off the deep end of the creativity for the setting.

I'm sure the retcons will be totally respectful of what makes 40k interesting as a setting for a wargame, and won't at all be a sanitising and homogenising of the various story elements for practical marketing purposes...

Well with soul magic and the likes i wouldnt mind if some of the super dead primarchs came back in some specific ways like some bs eldar soul stone nonsense or they poked at dad and her burped out sanguinuses soul that proceded to take over some notable blood angle guy and now he IS Sanguinious.

maybe trollzian makes a deal to release his pokeball primarch and girlyman sets out of his adventures in joto to catch all the primarchmons.

i honestly have no issue with it.

40k story is already ridiculous as it is so whats the worse that can happen.

It does give off the impression that the Blood Angels are being set up for something and I honestly can see Sanguinius come back. Now THAT is a Primarch I would gladly follow. Maybe he will become the leader for the Imperium trapped on the other side of the rift. They need a leader too right? Can totally see this.

But please PLEASE I hope they will not literally retcon everything to basically say the fight never happened. I hate it when lore is destroyed to justify something new. Just have the Emperor burst him into being again like he does with Celestine or something. I have faith GW can do something cool with it.

Besides if it means we get a model for him. He is the literal representation of an angel, I neeeeed it.

LightKing wrote:
HERE WE GO

Stop
With
The
Verbal
Diarrhoea

NoggintheNog wrote:
The whole premise of the blood angels is a chapter that lives every day with the repercussions of the death of their primarch.

Everything about them, including the very way the chapter is organized, revolves around it.

If he is not dead, then no death company, no mephiston, no sanguinary priests, nothing.

The Red Thirst remains. The Black Rage is the result of the psychic backlash when he died. All the blood and vampire motifs have nothing to do with Sanguinius' death, or at least can continue to be justified within the context of ongoing changes.

The BA have flirted with a fall to chaos before, if it's Sanguinius that turns I'd actually quite like that.

wait isn't the Sanguiniur rumored to be Sanguinius soul?

This can turn out to be a really interesting concept. Yes, seriously

Lets be honest, not knowing what happens at the Battle for Terra makes the ending of the Horus Heresy - first told in a story by Bill King in White Dwarf and the Wargame series HH game if I remember correctly - an unknown event for the first time in about 25 years (1992?).

It doesnt mean Sanguinius doesnt die. There are a lot of possibilties, really cool ones too. I'm looking forward to this and what it will mean for Blood Angels in 40k

Ruin wrote:

LightKing wrote:
HERE WE GO

Stop
With
The
Verbal
Diarrhoea

Just report it, then hopefully the mods will offer him a large dose of verbal Imodium.

LightKing wrote:
wait isn't the Sanguiniur rumored to be Sanguinius soul?

Yes. There are lots of feasible ways for him to "return" that don't entirely "undermine" the past. Moving forward is good.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wait isn't the Sanguiniur rumored to be Sanguinius soul?

Yes. There are lots of feasible ways for him to "return" that don't entirely "undermine" the past. Moving forward is good.

eldar litterally did a thing for gulliman, cant see why they wont do a thing for sanguiniouses soul which i would assume since it wasnt destroyed is with the big E. i cant wait to see some strange eldar sanguin hybrid thing.

This will happen if they start to retconing Primarchs deaths.

https://youtu.be/0PlwDbSYicM?t=987

I can live with the Sanguinor being the Spirit of Sanguinus. Even reviving for X means all the Primarchs. Yeah, its scrapping the deep end of the barrel...
But retconing this?!



How can they live with that?
I suppose that they aren't gonna Retcon to bring Ollanius Pius back, no?

This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

This is not 40k anymore. It's not even 41k or advancing the plot. It's going backwards in time to the same 30k gak. It's only a matter of time until they make an Emperor model and chaos gods too. This setting is officially jumping the shark.

I will have a read through the rumors when I can, thanks Warhams-77!

 Gamgee wrote:
This is what happens when space marine fans drink the Kool-aid. Now we have 30k MK2. I think I'm going to quit playing 40k and just go to Age of Sigmar for a few years until you either work this out or they start making super Primarch and I know the 40k I loved is dead in the gutter for a thinly veiled 30k in modern times.

You said this weeks ago....

Bringing Sanguinius back doesn't mean undoing the effects of his death. His death happened, and it's still imprinted upon the blood angels. Maybe one of his tasks can be helping them get over it (and coming to terms with it himself).

Sanguiniur rumored to being Sanguinius soul is not something that came recently, its been apart of the setting for a while