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2017/05/29 01:01:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Mymearan wrote: The Redemptor Dread is quite similarly to a Jes Goodwin sketch from 20 years ago (from the book The Gothic and the Eldritch Collected Sketches of Jes Goodwin)
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2017/05/29 01:06:10
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I kind of like the new Dread... but not as a dreadnaught. Cut out the sarcophagus and make it into an actual suit like the Dreadknight.
Hrm...
PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
From those who played the demo games at Warhammer Fest, are there any reviews posted about the game mechanics and such? General impressions about the game being fun / streamlined / worse / better / etc?
I wonder if Cawl found a bunch of random walker STC concept sketches, picked out the most functional parts of each, and just kind of mashed them together the best he could.
Almost like he decided.... "Well, those Contemptor legs are pretty maneuverable, and the Leviathan dreadnought has plenty of weapons, but the armor on the current space marine dreadnought is much easier to construct."
2017/05/29 01:23:08
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
cuda1179 wrote: I wonder if Cawl found a bunch of random walker STC concept sketches, picked out the most functional parts of each, and just kind of mashed them together the best he could.
Almost like he decided.... "Well, those Contemptor legs are pretty maneuverable, and the Leviathan dreadnought has plenty of weapons, but the armor on the current space marine dreadnought is much easier to construct."
To be fair the Razorback is the lovechild of a Tarantula sentry gun and a Rhino.
And power armour is a combination of dozens of STCs....
So basically all the Imperium does is the equivilant of kitbashing..l
2017/05/29 02:07:54
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Galas wrote: I can totally see with people don't like this new dreadnought type, even If I personally like it, not so much the chicken legs.
What I can't understand is how people in general loves the Contemptor model dreadnought. Is like a pear, is so... generic sci-fi . It don't match Space Marines or Imperium aesthetics. The Leviathan one is a good upgrade, I like my dreadnoughts to be boxy.
Maybe I'm biased because I really really dislike the small head dreadnoughts. To me they all look stupid. I always use the tomb plate. It is suppose to be a mechanized-tomb of destruction, not a tiny marine inside a giant suit, and thats what it looks to me with the tiny marine head. But I'll drop the dreadnought aesthetic discussion here.
Well you could say contemptor is the original dreadnought look so definining the imperium aesthetic.
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2017/05/29 02:56:32
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
The contemptor looks like the old plastic marine dreadnoughts from epic, so technically speaking it's the original design i think. Having said that, i do like the look of the angry washing machines because they don't look like a conventional walker/robot. The more i see the new dreads, the more i like them. The arms and legs just look more well designed than the old ones.
edit: well technically eddie and the like from rogue trader were the original designs, but the epic ones were the next iteration i saw, so older than the awms at least.
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2017/05/29 02:56:43
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Galas wrote: I can totally see with people don't like this new dreadnought type, even If I personally like it, not so much the chicken legs.
What I can't understand is how people in general loves the Contemptor model dreadnought. Is like a pear, is so... generic sci-fi . It don't match Space Marines or Imperium aesthetics. The Leviathan one is a good upgrade, I like my dreadnoughts to be boxy.
Maybe I'm biased because I really really dislike the small head dreadnoughts. To me they all look stupid. I always use the tomb plate. It is suppose to be a mechanized-tomb of destruction, not a tiny marine inside a giant suit, and thats what it looks to me with the tiny marine head. But I'll drop the dreadnought aesthetic discussion here.
Well you could say contemptor is the original dreadnought look so definining the imperium aesthetic.
Yeah, and Centurion armour has always been part of the Imperial Armoury The Whasing Machine Dreadnought is a angry tomb with legs. Is Grimdark made robot. The Contemptor is a generic robot.
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2017/05/29 02:59:43
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
To me the contemptor looks like a cross between the Michelin Man and Gigantor, but I happen to love the classic "washing machine" look.
The new dread looks...kinda cool, but...yeah, not quite right. The shoulders seem too low or small, the belly sticks out like it's pregnant and it looks about to squat down and take a number two. Could be a fun challenge to make it better, much like the stormraven was for me. Luckily, we each have our own aesthetic tastes so who is to judge?
EDIT: By the way, have there been any confirmed rules on the effects of terrain besides adding armor value, such as hindering movement or blocking LOS abstractly? I've noticed a few references but I'm not sure which link verifies anything.
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2017/05/29 03:00:19
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
ClockworkZion wrote: ... it's not a new design as Jes made the sketch this was based off of years ago...
Hardly.
That sketch has more in common with the 2nd Ed Epic Marine Dreads, which in turn informed the current look of the Contemptors. The other sketches just look like the current Washing Machine Dread.
This is just a bigger version of that, longer arms, much longer legs, bigger shoulders and a heavier armoured prow for the sarcophagus. And more guns, obviously.
The plasma gun looks great, but the minigun is a bit generic. I would have much rather seen a gigantic bolter or something more 40k style...and less bland.
I see some similarities between it and the kastelan robots, especially the back of the legs and the powerfist. But the kastelans are supposedly ancient pre imperium technology.
Can't wait to see what else is in store for us.
2017/05/29 03:42:43
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I posted this in the wrong thread a moment ago lol.
I managed to get a quick flip through the indices over the weekend... I can't divulge the specifics until the 3rd, but here is what I can say:
-Our plasma statline is as expected, but imperium plasma has improved.
-Rail weapons statlines are as expected, but with a chance to cause additional mortal wounds.
-Support systems got a bit of a revamp, some now do different things compared to the way it was in 7th ed.
-Sept rules not in the index. Looks like will need to wait for codex.
-Firesight marksmen are seperate characters now.
-Markerlights are cumulative per phase and do not get 'expended'. There is a table showing what different numbers of ML hits do.
From cmndrcash on ATT. I think the dark city forums also had some DE leaks. So rules leaks are starting to appear now and not just GW official "leaks". Yes rail guns are going to be fun again.
2017/05/29 04:27:36
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Fenris-77 wrote: Hmm. Lot of hate for the new Dread. I like it though. I'm not ordering 4 of them or anything, but I like it.
It,s new, therefore gak.
Listen, I'm not so blind as to not see my own bias, so let me correct you for accuracy:
It's tied to the new, Primarch power hour mark 2, upend everything we know about the setting then loudly declare it's amazing lore.
Therefore it's gak.
I'm not going to be able to get behind things tied to that new lore for a long, long time. It's not the setting we all grew up with, and honestly it seems every time a Primarch is brought in to things it cheapens everything nearby via a black hole of superficial hype.
Now I have some criticisms I'd absolutely be voicing anyhow: Primaris marines -are- awkward because of their non-matching scale, no matter how nice their armour looks or if you ignore the lore behind them. The new dread -does- have limbs that don't fit well to the design of it's torso when compared to other dreadnought designs.
But yup, I'm gonna be critical first and foremost here. Even if I do have the option of not buying any of this, marketing and players I go against who like this stuff will put it where I can't ignore it anyhow. No point denying he unavoidable.
That said, it's not a new design as Jes made the sketch this was based off of years ago, but it is being rolled out with the Primaris
That's a leap, and to compare that hill of to anything Jes sketched in the past is pure heresy I see almost zero traits in common with that sketch page other then the sarcophagus which they managed to butcher with a gorget
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PostSubject: Re: 8e - Drukhari Sat May 27 2017, 16:48
So I got to actually look at the xenos index today. Very briefly.
Didn't get to really look through a lot as everyone in the store was wanting to look and my wife had the book.. She just wanted to look at the pictures!
But, I can say this. PfP is still a cumulative list that goes by game turn. It starts with the 6+ fnp save and goes up to ld shenanigans... (it was all enemy units within a certain distance count as ld - 2??? I think...)
Drugs are in. Random from the looks of it. All looked good, from extra at, ws, att, T, move, and ld
I forgot to look at any movement stats... Please forgive me!
Wyches looked like they were good again! Their weapons have a bit of punch. Didn't get to look at the shard net. Didn't get to look at our vehicles at all...
Banshees will always attack first. Even if they are charged. Battle focus let's you shoot normal even if you moved or advanced
Acrobat added 3" to their advance roll (I think)
Points are all in the back of each index.
That is most all I remember! Hopefully others will start to get a look and share what they see
Wyches are, if memory serves, hitting on a 3+ in cc if I recall, I know they have 2 attacks base.
Oh! I forgot!!
Poison is in. Wounds all non vehicles on a 4+. Vehicles on a 6.
I think.... Don't quote me.... But pretty sure their knives are poison.
I know they had multiple weapons with str and damage boosts. Some. With multiple wounds.
Torrent launches subtract one from ld if the opposing unit takes a wound from. It. Or may just hit...don't remember
I really wish I could have spent more time with the book lol
One other tidbit. Psychic powers are now a pick which you want or roll a d3. Yup, only three powers on a chart. Means lvl 3 psycher s are gonna be pretty powerful. Don't recall seeing priamis powers, nor warlord traits... But could have just missed it
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Seems like I might be in the minority here, but I really like the look of the new dreadnought. A lot. I think it works really well as an evolution of the existing model. This whole new Primaris range is just stunning! I don't think I've ever been so excited for a release in all the years I've been in the hobby! <3
2017/05/29 04:53:44
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
21stPrimarch wrote: GUYS
Blood of Kittens posted a pic from the Death guard seminar that has what seems to be a Nurgle Lord of Skulls thing, and CRYPT GHOULS. Its a grainy pic but as an aos Flesh eater courts player, I know those models anywhere
Nope, that's a picture showcasing one of the designers personally converted armies. Pretty sure he has a blog with all those in it from at least 2 years back.
21stPrimarch wrote: GUYS
Blood of Kittens posted a pic from the Death guard seminar that has what seems to be a Nurgle Lord of Skulls thing, and CRYPT GHOULS. Its a grainy pic but as an aos Flesh eater courts player, I know those models anywhere
Nope, that's a picture showcasing one of the designers personally converted armies. Pretty sure he has a blog with all those in it from at least 2 years back.
Rippy wrote: What a time to be a Death Guard player!
Rules look solid, models look solid, fluff book about DG invading Ultramar, all but confirmed full new plastic kits for everything DG.
I am feeling more disgustingly resilient than when I went to bed last night!!!
Any idea on army construction yet in the 8th edition? So, if you take a Death Guard Battalion detachment, and you get a bunch of stuff and +3 free command points for 6 total. Can you now add another detachment from main Chaos Space Marines rules, or Chaos Daemons, or a Renegade Knight as a Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment, or whatever, to the army and keep it battle forged/legal? What are the limitations? Are there any? What does battle forged even mean in the 8th edition?
Thanks.
The short version is you can make nearly anything bound and grab a few command points so long as you're prepared to take an HQ tax. There are detachments for mandatory elites, fast attack and heavy support. There are superheavy only detachments. There are flyer only detachments.
If you really want to have no HQ in your army (and aren't taking a pure Lord of War list) then you can just give up all your command points to achieve it.
Thanks guys, but I saw the screenshots about the few basic detachments. What I was most curious about is if you can mix and match between factions, and what the allegiances are like. I mean, the datasheets have that 'keywords' thing going on. So back to the original example of one detachment of Death Guard, can another be from another faction so to speak, for example Chaos Daemons, or super-heavies? Is this still called allying, and who can do that with who? If all things Chaos go together, and all things Imperium go together, what the heck do the Xenos go together with? And so on.
Thanks again.
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2017/05/29 05:23:36
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
My understanding is that what will be allowed in a single detatchment is pretty wide open, you just need one keyword. So for your example, Death Guard could fit in the same detatchment as daemons because they would share the keyword (Chaos). They would get whatever strategiums the Chaos detatchment gives (if any). If you had an all Death Guard army, they would get the chaos strategiums plus the Death Guard ones because they would all have both keywords. My guess is, the more specific the keyword, the more/better the strategums.
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2017/05/29 05:24:06
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Galas wrote: I can totally see with people don't like this new dreadnought type, even If I personally like it, not so much the chicken legs.
What I can't understand is how people in general loves the Contemptor model dreadnought. Is like a pear, is so... generic sci-fi . It don't match Space Marines or Imperium aesthetics. The Leviathan one is a good upgrade, I like my dreadnoughts to be boxy.
Maybe I'm biased because I really really dislike the small head dreadnoughts. To me they all look stupid. I always use the tomb plate. It is suppose to be a mechanized-tomb of destruction, not a tiny marine inside a giant suit, and thats what it looks to me with the tiny marine head. But I'll drop the dreadnought aesthetic discussion here.
Well you could say contemptor is the original dreadnought look so definining the imperium aesthetic.
Yeah, and Centurion armour has always been part of the Imperial Armoury The Whasing Machine Dreadnought is a angry tomb with legs. Is Grimdark made robot. The Contemptor is a generic robot.
Check which one came first. Contemptors existed in 40k model years before current one.
And I take this one:
Spoiler:
Any day over the new dread.
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Therion wrote: Thanks guys, but I saw the screenshots about the few basic detachments. What I was most curious about is if you can mix and match between factions, and what the allegiances are like. I mean, the datasheets have that 'keywords' thing going on. So back to the original example of one detachment of Death Guard, can another be from another faction so to speak, for example Chaos Daemons, or super-heavies? Is this still called allying, and who can do that with who? If all things Chaos go together, and all things Imperium go together, what the heck do the Xenos go together with? And so on.
Thanks again.
Well nobody knows officially yet I think but we know that a) allies are in b) GW has said they aren't invalidating existing armies. For both to be true you kinda need to be able to take multiple detachments with different factions.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2017/05/29 05:41:30
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
crumby_cataphract wrote: Seems like I might be in the minority here, but I really like the look of the new dreadnought. A lot. I think it works really well as an evolution of the existing model. This whole new Primaris range is just stunning! I don't think I've ever been so excited for a release in all the years I've been in the hobby! <3
I agree with this, loving the new models
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2017/05/29 06:03:02
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
Thanks to everyone. This new edition is sure looking good. Still can't quite believe it to be true, but I guess I have to. Most of it seems like a dream come true of gamers picking and choosing the coolest thing of each past edition.
I'm sure it'll have flaws, but it seems almost safe to say it's shaping up to be the best large scale game GW has ever made. The whole approach of having the ITC crew involved, and a living rule book that can be rebalanced as we go on is an entirely new era for GW games.
2017/05/29 06:06:48
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 27 May 2017: Rule Book Leak\WHfest Live Blog(all info in OP)
I'm sure it'll have flaws, but it seems almost safe to say it's shaping up to be the best large scale game GW has ever made. The whole approach of having the ITC crew involved, and a living rule book that can be rebalanced as we go on is an entirely new era for GW games.
Gaps, loop-holes, OP and underwhelming units and models.
Inevitable trace-appearances.
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to anything Jes sketched in the past is pure heresy 
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War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze 
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Thrice-Damned Plague Corps 
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Admech (TBN) 