40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Kanluwen**

Aenar wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

Anything on Sisters please

Only thing that I read is that they are amongst the Imperial Agents, the Saint gives them some buffs and they have shared rules with the adeptus ministrorum (Act of Faith, Shield of Faith and Zealot)

IG/Astra Militarum has regiment keyword and Orders are given automatically to same regiment kw unit within 6".

EDIT: it looks like flyers give a "small" (no idea how much) malus to hit, not snapshooting anymore.

EDIT 2: more leaks to follow, stay tuned!

Can you find out for me if Sergeants/Veteran Sergeants/Tempestor Scions for Imperial Guard can take Lasguns?

**ERJAK**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess Oblits aren't getting a plastic kit any time soon. Wow did they do a number on them. This really is "Roll Lots of Dice" edition. Yikes...

But the real tragedy here is that they made the Land Raider T8. Toughness 8. In a game where they've said characteristics aren't limited to 10, what they really meant was Wounds, right?

Toughness 8. Best tank in the universe (fluff-wise), and the whole reason I started playing 40K, the original model of which is one of my most cherished models... and it's T8.

The Dread should be T8. The Land Raider should be T10. God-damn it GW...

And if it had been T10 you would have said it should be T12. And if the oblit would of not had any random you'd of complained it was boring. Be real dude, complaining is like 80% of your enjoyment at this point.

**Aenar**

Space Wolves:
Thunderwolves Cavalry M10" W3 S4 T5 Save 3+, same equip as before and they cost nine melta bombs without equipments
Lord on Wolf has W7
Frost weapons add a mortal wound on a 6 (not clear on what dice roll)
Runic Armours give 5+ Invuln Save (4+ if Terminator)

Eldars:
Banshees M8" A2 Save 4+. Always attack first with the mask, add 3" to Advance and Charge rolls, Exarch gives a -1 penalty to hit in melee to enemy models. Executioner Blade is WS-1 S+2 Ap-3 DmgD3

**nintura**

R8 on the Wraithknight? What's R?

**ERJAK**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Wow, Grav being Str 5, AP -3 sucks pretty bad, even if it does d3 wounds against 3+ or better saves. It is barely going to wound anything.

You'll wreck the gak out of primi marines and termis and other heavy infantry with it though .

**Mr Morden**

nintura wrote:
R8 on the Wraithknight? What's R?

Likely toughness

**Ghaz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

The Ultima Founding

**redleger**

So a Defiler point Increase. Literally everyone I know loves the model but doesn't take it because of the huge points investment . Wish the datasheet for it would have been leaked. I love my Defiler. I bring him out on big games even though all he does is draw fire and die turn 1 but damn if I wasn't hoping for a points decrease. I hope he got a huge buff to make up for it.

**Mr Morden**

Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

The Ultima Founding

the downloadable heraldry card is a nice touch.

**casvalremdeikun**

ERJAK wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Wow, Grav being Str 5, AP -3 sucks pretty bad, even if it does d3 wounds against 3+ or better saves. It is barely going to wound anything.

You'll wreck the gak out of primi marines and termis and other heavy infantry with it though .

Not so much big stuff anymore, though.

Ghaz wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

The Ultima Founding

I really like the fact they threw in a PDF for making custom chapters. I can't wait to pass some of the boring hours at work coming up with some new Chapters.

**Aenar**

Some new leaks:
Storm Shields still provide 3+ Invuln save
ATSKNF rerolls failed Morale tests

From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3
On a 6 to wound, Railguns do mortal wounds

**changemod**

Aenar wrote:
Some new leaks:
Storm Shields still provide 3+ Invuln save
ATSKNF rerolls failed Morale tests

From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3
On a 6 to wound, Railguns do mortal wounds

Oh lame, monats are a part of the fun of tau army building.

**ClockworkZion**

Thanks for all your hard work Aenar. If you can talk them into posting Sisters rules that'd be super awesome.

**Crimson**

Mr Morden wrote:

the downloadable heraldry card is a nice touch.

Indeed! This is exactly what I needed!

**Mr Morden**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Thanks for all your hard work Aenar. If you can talk them into posting Sisters rules that'd be super awesome.

Seconded on both counts

**casvalremdeikun**

One thing I noticed from the Chaos leak is Rhinos are frickin' 70 points now. I hate to think of what Drop Pods and Razorbacks run. Land Raiders are 239 pts BEFORE wargear. They will likely run close to 300 pts after wargear. Never would I have thought either of these units would get a points INCREASE.

**Fenris-77**

The 'S' in MSU now means "slightly bigger" for the Tau. Har-har.

I'm not super surprised though, I think we might see a lot less single infantry types as units. That seems to fit the new tone of the game.

No I don't remember, did the Oblit leak mention squad size?

**Daedalus81**

Yodhrin wrote:
XT-1984 wrote:
Lord of Skulls only 465 points now... Do we know what the standard sized game is for 8th?

1500, 2000?

It's mad eh. Just for fun I dig out my old 3rd Edition Blood Angels list and recost it with every edition, and if the leaks are any indication over the years GW will have turned a 2000pt Marine army into somewhere in the region of 1000pts. I can't even imagine how hilarious the difference would be for a 2nd Ed army.

I can only hope that 8th isn't hideously unbalanced at lower point values, because personally I still prefer playing Epic in 6-8mm not 28mm.

It is 485 without gear. People need to keep that in mind.

**Balor**

It would be great if we could see what the SM chapter tactics are or the legion traits.

Thanks for the info it is much needed.

**Bertock**

Aenar wrote:
Some new leaks:
Storm Shields still provide 3+ Invuln save

Please, tell me that the giant Space Wolves' storm shield is like that too
I want to fill the field with indestructible Dreadnoughts

**ClockworkZion**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
One thing I noticed from the Chaos leak is Rhinos are frickin' 70 points now. I hate to think of what Drop Pods and Razorbacks run. Land Raiders are 239 pts BEFORE wargear. They will likely run close to 300 pts after wargear. Never would I have thought either of these units would get a points INCREASE.

Considering the statline change it's actually fair. I mean, would it really be balanced if it was still 35 points?

**Cephalobeard**

Still hoping we get more Daemon info. Magnus being cheap has me concerned.

**Ghaz**

changemod wrote:
Aenar wrote:
Some new leaks:
Storm Shields still provide 3+ Invuln save
ATSKNF rerolls failed Morale tests

From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3
On a 6 to wound, Railguns do mortal wounds

Oh lame, monats are a part of the fun of tau army building.

Not a problem. Since you'll still be able to take suits as an HQ choice, take a Supreme Command detachment for 3-5 suits or the Auxiliary Support detachment if you really need that one suit. They may be more expensive, but assuming they're still characters they won't be able to shot at unless they're the closest unit.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

ClockworkZion wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
One thing I noticed from the Chaos leak is Rhinos are frickin' 70 points now. I hate to think of what Drop Pods and Razorbacks run. Land Raiders are 239 pts BEFORE wargear. They will likely run close to 300 pts after wargear. Never would I have thought either of these units would get a points INCREASE.

Considering the statline change it's actually fair. I mean, would it really be balanced if it was still 35 points?

They've got tougher, and you can Assault after disembarking. Definitely means Transports need some kind of points increase.

Double? Well, if it's not isolated to the Rhino and the other transports also go up

**Zustiur**

Aenar wrote:
From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3

And there goes the thing about all previous armies being legal still.

**ClockworkZion**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
One thing I noticed from the Chaos leak is Rhinos are frickin' 70 points now. I hate to think of what Drop Pods and Razorbacks run. Land Raiders are 239 pts BEFORE wargear. They will likely run close to 300 pts after wargear. Never would I have thought either of these units would get a points INCREASE.

Considering the statline change it's actually fair. I mean, would it really be balanced if it was still 35 points?

They've got tougher, and you can Assault after disembarking. Definitely means Transports need some kind of points increase.

Double? Well, if it's not isolated to the Rhino and the other transports also go up

70 points likely without any wargear.

To be fair it has MC stats so it needs to be costed appropiately.

It might even be a sign of some MC (like the Fex) getting cheaper on a core basis.

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Zustiur wrote:
Aenar wrote:
From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3

And there goes the thing about all previous armies being legal still.

They are. Your lone groups of Crisis Suits just need to band together now.

**A Watcher In The Dark**

Zustiur wrote:
Aenar wrote:
From ATT:
Crisis suits minimum squad size is 3

And there goes the thing about all previous armies being legal still.

Crisis are just trying really hard to switch sides and become Inceptors.

**Tyran**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
One thing I noticed from the Chaos leak is Rhinos are frickin' 70 points now. I hate to think of what Drop Pods and Razorbacks run. Land Raiders are 239 pts BEFORE wargear. They will likely run close to 300 pts after wargear. Never would I have thought either of these units would get a points INCREASE.

Considering the statline change it's actually fair. I mean, would it really be balanced if it was still 35 points?

They've got tougher, and you can Assault after disembarking. Definitely means Transports need some kind of points increase.

Double? Well, if it's not isolated to the Rhino and the other transports also go up

70 points likely without any wargear.

To be fair it has MC stats so it needs to be costed appropiately.

It might even be a sign of some MC (like the Fex) getting cheaper on a core basis.

Or get a considerable stats increase.

**Future War Cultist**

Any stats for the good old IG?

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Spoiler:

We can do the same but instead of listing all the dreadnought we list all the plastic space marines infantry kits made instead of making plastics Sisters of Battle.
But then it would break Dakka's limit of line per messages

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Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Is there any topic and any thread that doesn't have a sisters player moaning in it?

Well, all the threads about Sisters of Battle actual releases.

Spoiler:

GW wrote:
Many Chapter Planets are now actively under siege, some Chapters are confirmed as destroyed*[…]

*Don’t worry – none of the big ones, though Magnus gave it a pretty good go at Fenris…

Ahah GW, silly you!