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90 points for a 5-member unit is pretty affordable in most lists. I like that. Hopefully their special rules will be worth the lower offensive ability compared to intercessors.

Voss wrote:

Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

Just like the three man Intercessor and Plague Marine sets the Reivers are only an easy build kit. A full five(or ten) man kit will probably be coming alongside or soon after the new SM codex.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Voss wrote:

Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

Just like the three man Intercessor and Plague Marine sets the Reivers are only an easy build kit. A full five(or ten) man kit will probably be coming alongside or soon after the new SM codex.

Yeah I'm holding off buying until we get the full sized kits, BTW is the Librarian actually out this weekend,? the website still says pre-order, and I was thinking swinging into my local GW to pick one up if it was out. Ifg they're not it looks like GW has moved to a "2 week pre-order cycle" (which is proably a good thing, makes it easier to meet inital demand)

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Voss wrote:

Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

Just like the three man Intercessor and Plague Marine sets the Reivers are only an easy build kit. A full five(or ten) man kit will probably be coming alongside or soon after the new SM codex.

Yeah I'm holding off buying until we get the full sized kits, BTW is the Librarian actually out this weekend,? the website still says pre-order, and I was thinking swinging into my local GW to pick one up if it was out. Ifg they're not it looks like GW has moved to a "2 week pre-order cycle" (which is proably a good thing, makes it easier to meet inital demand)

he is out.. I have mine

Anyone with the new Captain tell me which weapon is the Stalker? I assume the scoped option, but it looks more generic.

Umbros wrote:

Anyone with the new Captain tell me which weapon is the Stalker? I assume the scoped option, but it looks more generic.

Yes, the scoped one. And you're right, it looks like a normal bolt rifle.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Umbros wrote:

Anyone with the new Captain tell me which weapon is the Stalker? I assume the scoped option, but it looks more generic.

Yes, the scoped one. And you're right, it looks like a normal bolt rifle.

It also has straight magazine. If one wants to convert this weapon exactly, all is needed is switching the magazine of a normal scoped bolt rifle to a magazine from one of the Calth bolters. Not that I understand why anyone would want to use it, it is a terrible weapon.

It is also rather silly that a different magazine completely alters how the weapon functions. It's just awkward design for a bad weapon.

 Crimson wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Umbros wrote:

Anyone with the new Captain tell me which weapon is the Stalker? I assume the scoped option, but it looks more generic.

Yes, the scoped one. And you're right, it looks like a normal bolt rifle.

It also has straight magazine. If one wants to convert this weapon exactly, all is needed is switching the magazine of a normal scoped bolt rifle to a magazine from one of the Calth bolters. Not that I understand why anyone would want to use it, it is a terrible weapon.

It is also rather silly that a different magazine completely alters how the weapon functions. It's just awkward design for a bad weapon.

It isn't just the magazine. There is a completely different bolt assembly. It has a revolving bolt at top like a Skitarii rifle.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It isn't just the magazine. There is a completely different bolt assembly. It has a revolving bolt at top like a Skitarii rifle.

Umm... the thing the normal primaris bolt rifles have too?

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It isn't just the magazine. There is a completely different bolt assembly. It has a revolving bolt at top like a Skitarii rifle.

Umm... the thing the normal primaris bolt rifles have too?

Look closer, it is different...larger and more round. It almost looks like it could rotate whereas the normal bolt rifle wouldn't.

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Dark Vengeance set will also be getting the 8th ed treatment a la Island of Blood for AoS.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It isn't just the magazine. There is a completely different bolt assembly. It has a revolving bolt at top like a Skitarii rifle.

Umm... the thing the normal primaris bolt rifles have too?

...no...

the Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Dark Vengeance set will also be getting the 8th ed treatment a la Island of Blood for AoS.

Not quite. There is just a separate booklet that has the basic 8E rules and profiles for all of the units in the box.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Dark Vengeance set will also be getting the 8th ed treatment a la Island of Blood for AoS.

so Dark Vengence will still be avaliable? intreasting.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

Could be different ammo.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

The straight mag probably has a different type of ammo more suited for long ranged combat, hence the heavy profile. Probably less ammo too; straight mags tend to have less ammo than sickle mags, unless they are really long. Like the mags on a tommy gun.

So is it the same gun that you slot different bits on to, or do you get two different guns in the kit?

That sounds about right to me. In the Space Marine game (yes, I know, vidjamagames) the stalker boltgun had far less ammo than the normal boltgun.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

The straight mag probably has a different type of ammo more suited for long ranged combat, hence the heavy profile. Probably less ammo too; straight mags tend to have less ammo than sickle mags, unless they are really long. Like the mags on a tommy gun.

So is it the same gun that you slot different bits on to, or do you get two different guns in the kit?

If you check the sprue picture, you'll see there's a body for the rifle and then two different mag/top combo bits that slot on.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

The straight mag probably has a different type of ammo more suited for long ranged combat, hence the heavy profile. Probably less ammo too; straight mags tend to have less ammo than sickle mags, unless they are really long. Like the mags on a tommy gun.

So is it the same gun that you slot different bits on to, or do you get two different guns in the kit?

If you check the sprue picture, you'll see there's a body for the rifle and then two different mag/top combos that slot on.

Ah, so no spare gun.
Interesting how its modular, from a design standpoint, but I have an odd feeling that GW is trying to cut down on usable spare bits.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

Could be different ammo.

Could it be...

Stalker Rounds?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Auto Bolt Rifle has a a Skitarii revolver at the top, the Stalker Bolt Rifle (and all Intercessor Bolt Rifles) have a standard bolt assembly.

This is exactly what I said! The stalker and normal are the same! Auto bolt rifle was not part of this conversation, I know that's different.

Ah, I get what you were saying now. Yes, apparently changing to a straight magazine from a curved one leads to a change in the weapon's function.

The straight mag probably has a different type of ammo more suited for long ranged combat, hence the heavy profile. Probably less ammo too; straight mags tend to have less ammo than sickle mags, unless they are really long. Like the mags on a tommy gun.

So is it the same gun that you slot different bits on to, or do you get two different guns in the kit?

If you check the sprue picture, you'll see there's a body for the rifle and then two different mag/top combos that slot on.

Ah, so no spare gun.
Interesting how its modular, from a design standpoint, but I have an odd feeling that GW is trying to cut down on usable spare bits.

I think its more from an efficiency standpoint than an active effort to cut down on bits. Going off Kharadron releases they were condensed in places that would save a lot of space on the sprue relative to models equipped, while there were (sometimes tons of) extra bits when they didn't take up much room.

 Melissia wrote:
That sounds about right to me. In the Space Marine game (yes, I know, vidjamagames) the stalker boltgun had far less ammo than the normal boltgun.

The stalker was iirc in the deathwatch RPG which might be a bit more canon (albeit still easily dismissed by GW when needed). I don't recall the stats off hand though.

 warboss wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That sounds about right to me. In the Space Marine game (yes, I know, vidjamagames) the stalker boltgun had far less ammo than the normal boltgun.

The stalker was iirc in the deathwatch RPG which might be a bit more canon (albeit still easily dismissed by GW when needed). I don't recall the stats off hand though.

The Stalker Boltgun has been around for a looooong time in the lore. It's in the Deathwatch Index right now I think.

Basically it's a boltgun explicitly designed to work with Stalker rounds.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That sounds about right to me. In the Space Marine game (yes, I know, vidjamagames) the stalker boltgun had far less ammo than the normal boltgun.

The stalker was iirc in the deathwatch RPG which might be a bit more canon (albeit still easily dismissed by GW when needed). I don't recall the stats off hand though.

The Stalker Boltgun has been around for a looooong time. It's in the Deathwatch stuff now I think. Basically it's a boltgun explicitly designed to work with the Stalker rounds.

I know. I was pointing out a more related previously official source where she could find out the exact ammo capacities of both to compare.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Voss wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I would. The captain and librarian notably can be taken by Deathwatch, but not by GK.


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

They are usable per the Understrength Unit Rules.

This isn't the proper Reiver release. It's just EZ build trash for kids - note that the intercessor unit is also 3 unusable guys (plus a 4th if you get the collecting guide thing). I guess you could use one of the lieutenants as a sergeant and make a 5-man squad. Best option is probably to wait for the real kit in a few weeks. Im sure that will be legal and I hear it will include options like bolt guns/rifles.

I do wonder why reivers are cheaper than intercessors. Maybe only a 4+ save, though they look only slightly less armoured really.

Mandragola wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Voss wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I would. The captain and librarian notably can be taken by Deathwatch, but not by GK.


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

They are usable per the Understrength Unit Rules.

This isn't the proper Reiver release. It's just EZ build trash for kids - note that the intercessor unit is also 3 unusable guys (plus a 4th if you get the collecting guide thing). I guess you could use one of the lieutenants as a sergeant and make a 5-man squad. Best option is probably to wait for the real kit in a few weeks. Im sure that will be legal and I hear it will include options like bolt guns/rifles.

I do wonder why reivers are cheaper than intercessors. Maybe only a 4+ save, though they look only slightly less armoured really.

Probably due to the different equipment.
Sometimes the points cost takes into account what weapons they are using.

there are variations on modern day weapons to suit different battlefield roles. EH the H&K G36:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Mandragola wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Voss wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I would. The captain and librarian notably can be taken by Deathwatch, but not by GK.


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

They are usable per the Understrength Unit Rules.

This isn't the proper Reiver release. It's just EZ build trash for kids - note that the intercessor unit is also 3 unusable guys (plus a 4th if you get the collecting guide thing). I guess you could use one of the lieutenants as a sergeant and make a 5-man squad. Best option is probably to wait for the real kit in a few weeks. Im sure that will be legal and I hear it will include options like bolt guns/rifles.

I do wonder why reivers are cheaper than intercessors. Maybe only a 4+ save, though they look only slightly less armoured really.

Probably due to the different equipment.
Sometimes the points cost takes into account what weapons they are using.

I was thinking about this. It's tricky when basic weapons are free, and there are several options you can take. From what I've heard though, I expect reivers will have either infiltration or deep strike, plus some kind of rule to represent being scary. That makes them seem better than intercessors. There has to be a downside to compensate.

Well, supposedly they have stripped down power armor for stealth, so maybe one less wound, or a worse save?
Or maybe their base weapons aren't as good as bolt rifles, so they need those special rules to break even.