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I'm betting it's a Marine!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Enough with the fething space marines GW, in the last 2 years we've had all of 2 major none Power Armour releases (Tau and GSC), by October that number goes down to 1.

*checks over my 7th Ed In Memoriam*

Codex: Harlies - 2015
Codex: Skitarii - 2015
Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus - 2015
Codex: Genestealer Cults - 2016
Codex Imperial Agents - 2016 (it has Sisters, but still)

Cult Mechanicus was in May, the others earlier than that. He's right: New tau models and Genecults were the only major 40k releases in the last 2 years not involving marines of some type.

Is there any news yet on the forge world chapter tactics being possibly moved over into the SM codex?

Greetings, I hope the New Codices have lots of new wonderful art work pictures to inspire artists to do great paint work.

I enjoy hard back format for rules & codices, as it feels more permanent & solid.

I had a thought about collecting previous edition rule books & codices for fun. Collecting is fun entertainment for me.

They said FW specific things will still be in the FW books, and they will continue to release their Imperial Armour style collections.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

 alleus wrote:
I remember when the Blood Angels codex had a Stormraven entry, but there wasn't a Stormraven model for quite some time. I'd much prefer this for the upcoming Primaris releases. People can feel free to convert their own models until they are officially released, but I just don't want three of four more datasheets on top of the codex right away..

They'll never release rules for a unit without releasing a unit again. The whole Chapter House issue cemented that. That's why the Tyranid Spore was renamed. It'll be rules in a box or updates via the yearly Chapter Approved books.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Duncan tweeted he's excited for us to see todays painting video. Prepare for a reveal, imo.

Dare I hope...Mortarion?

As a completest weirdo, and one who owns nearly every 7th Ed Codex, and definitely all the campaign books, the Indecies might well help me out here.

Sure, I won't have the very latest points etc, but they still serve to give me plenty of info on the foes I'm likely to face, and how I might go about dismantling their army.

So the need for someone like me to buy every Codex is somewhat reduced.

tneva82 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
World Eaters and Emperor's Children are not going to be separate from the main CSM codex, at least not in the immediate. Only Death Guard and Thousand Sons are listed as separate factions on both the 40k website and in the 40k rulebook. WE and EC would need a full range to justify a codex, and that's not going to happen for now.

The four Chaos books will be Daemons, CSM, DG, TS.

With Angron release approaching that's fairly likely time for WE codex.

Agreed that it's very unlikely that they release a primarch model without a codex.

Brian888 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Duncan tweeted he's excited for us to see todays painting video. Prepare for a reveal, imo.

Dare I hope...Mortarion?

Nope. It's how Duncan made his excellent 300-esque Spearmen.

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

No threats were/are ever realized up until this point. The game was stuck at the same point in time for the last ~15+ years, so the Great Devourer was always on the cusp of arriving, just as all Necrons are on the cusp of waking up, and the Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass, and the "basically alive" Primarchs are on the cusp of returning, and Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp.

But now those last two have happened so who knows if the rest will be a thing in the next 5 years or so.

Requizen wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

No threats were/are ever realized up until this point. The game was stuck at the same point in time for the last ~15+ years, so the Great Devourer was always on the cusp of arriving, just as all Necrons are on the cusp of waking up, and the Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass, and the "basically alive" Primarchs are on the cusp of returning, and Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp.

But now those last two have happened so who knows if the rest will be a thing in the next 5 years or so.

We already know the outcomes of all of those things.

Great Devourer was always on the cusp of being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Necrons are on the cusp of waking up and being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass then being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp and sent back after being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman

 Kirasu wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

No threats were/are ever realized up until this point. The game was stuck at the same point in time for the last ~15+ years, so the Great Devourer was always on the cusp of arriving, just as all Necrons are on the cusp of waking up, and the Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass, and the "basically alive" Primarchs are on the cusp of returning, and Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp.

But now those last two have happened so who knows if the rest will be a thing in the next 5 years or so.

We already know the outcomes of all of those things.

Great Devourer was always on the cusp of being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Necrons are on the cusp of waking up and being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass then being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp and sent back after being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman

You forgot Guilliman is on the cusp of being betrayed and defeated by Cawl when he refuses to sign all of Cawl's requisition forms.

lolman1c wrote: . . .now they have the codex (which has better and more balanced rules) doesn't this give them an advantage? . . .

This statement is self-contradictory.

Cephalobeard wrote:They said FW specific things will still be in the FW books, and they will continue to release their Imperial Armour style collections.

I'll never understand why people expect GW to update Forge World rules. Yes, they are part of the same company, but so are Taco Bell and KFC. Ever walk into a KFC and as for a chalupa? You'll get some funny looks and directions to the nearest Taco Bell.

You forgot Guilliman is on the cusp of being betrayed and defeated by Cawl when he refuses to sign all of Cawl's requisition forms.

You've just discovered the true identity of the Dark Mechanicus...Adeptus Accountantus. The paperwork army. Death to all who resist.

 EnTyme wrote:
I'll never understand why people expect GW to update Forge World rules. Yes, they are part of the same company, but so are Taco Bell and KFC. Ever walk into a KFC and as for a chalupa? You'll get some funny looks and directions to the nearest Taco Bell.

Yes, I used to walk into a KFC and order a Crunchwrap Supreme all of the time and never had a problem because it was a KFC/Taco Bell location...

Requizen wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

No threats were/are ever realized up until this point. The game was stuck at the same point in time for the last ~15+ years, so the Great Devourer was always on the cusp of arriving, just as all Necrons are on the cusp of waking up, and the Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass, and the "basically alive" Primarchs are on the cusp of returning, and Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp.

But now those last two have happened so who knows if the rest will be a thing in the next 5 years or so.

what the above poster said also they split the known galaxy in half so we will see a lot of blood Angels fighting tyranids for a while and I expect after the first wave of primarchs returning we will have a new tyranids push on that side of the map.


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 Kirasu wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

No threats were/are ever realized up until this point. The game was stuck at the same point in time for the last ~15+ years, so the Great Devourer was always on the cusp of arriving, just as all Necrons are on the cusp of waking up, and the Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass, and the "basically alive" Primarchs are on the cusp of returning, and Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp.

But now those last two have happened so who knows if the rest will be a thing in the next 5 years or so.

We already know the outcomes of all of those things.

Great Devourer was always on the cusp of being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Necrons are on the cusp of waking up and being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Orks are on the cusp of reaching critical mass then being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman
Chaos is on the cusp of rampaging out of the Warp and sent back after being defeated by Cawl and Guilliman

less hyperbole guilliman is the current inspirational leader to return but it's fairly obvious by now he won't be the only one and I doubt Dorn or the lion is going to play nice nice with leader guiliman.

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'll never understand why people expect GW to update Forge World rules. Yes, they are part of the same company, but so are Taco Bell and KFC. Ever walk into a KFC and as for a chalupa? You'll get some funny looks and directions to the nearest Taco Bell.

Yes, I used to walk into a KFC and order a Crunchwrap Supreme all of the time and never had a problem because it was a KFC/Taco Bell location...

Yeah... all of my local Taco Bells sell KFC food also. I thought that was pretty standard.

 puma713 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Tyranids are way too important to 40k lore to be removed. Necrons are too interesting.

Tyranids are too stupid to exist. Their fluff is a giant "we don't understand biology" sign, their models are ugly, and as a narrative element they're boring as hell.

My only problem with the Tyranid representation is that their fluff is just not threatening enough. There's some notion of a 'Great Devourer' descending upon the galaxy, but it is never really realized, so the threat just kind of falls to the wayside, easily ignored. We're told about the threat constantly, but there's no real representation of the threat itself. They need to have an event (similar to the Gathering Storm event) that had Tyranids overrunning nearby systems, showing the actual threat of the Great Devourer.

I don't think it'll ever happen, but that's I think Tyranids need to refocus on how much of a threat they are.

Odd, I consistently saw it the other way, nids were the only real threat and too much of the unstoppable juggernaut - everything else in the galaxy was a joke comparatively speaking.

 theharrower wrote:

 alleus wrote:
I remember when the Blood Angels codex had a Stormraven entry, but there wasn't a Stormraven model for quite some time. I'd much prefer this for the upcoming Primaris releases. People can feel free to convert their own models until they are officially released, but I just don't want three of four more datasheets on top of the codex right away..

They'll never release rules for a unit without releasing a unit again. The whole Chapter House issue cemented that. That's why the Tyranid Spore was renamed. It'll be rules in a box or updates via the yearly Chapter Approved books.

Well, that's not entirely true - we got rules for Rough Riders in Index Imperium 2 and they're not selling the models at the moment. And there were the recent Marbo rules for SW:A, and I think 7E? They may be reconsidering that opinion, at least for old models - maybe we will see the Doom of Malanti and Parasite of Mortex (sp?) come back - this time with models?

 Kriswall wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'll never understand why people expect GW to update Forge World rules. Yes, they are part of the same company, but so are Taco Bell and KFC. Ever walk into a KFC and as for a chalupa? You'll get some funny looks and directions to the nearest Taco Bell.

Yes, I used to walk into a KFC and order a Crunchwrap Supreme all of the time and never had a problem because it was a KFC/Taco Bell location...

Yeah... all of my local Taco Bells sell KFC food also. I thought that was pretty standard.

Hmm. In my area, we have Taco Bell/Pizza Hut.

Please keep in mind that Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic! Fast food discussion can go to the OT Forum. Many thanks!

One question that I think might be one of the most important ones is if the FW units will be in the 40K army builder GW will do.

Are FWs AoS models in the AoS one?

 Yodhrin wrote:


The fact that you're incapable of grasping that someone living within their means and so operating with a limited hobby budget is exactly why they might express a bit of frustration at the prospect a purchase will turn out to have less value than they initially thought it would is exactly the problem with your sanctimony. The underlying implication that anyone who does have to operate with a limited hobby budget shouldn't be part of the hobby at all is one that pops up on Dakka with pretty annoying frequency and it just needs to bloody stop - if people can't muster up some shred of basic sympathy for people who're not as well off, at least spare everyone the unsolicited financial advice.

This is a great point and I totally agree. It falls flat when people are complaining that they bought all the indexes for "all of their armies" and that now they'll need to spend hundreds to play.

So either

1) They're living beyond their means, or
2) Complaining for the sake of complaining

I do wish GW had just put the indexes out for free. That would have made sense. I'm otherwise only out $25 and it's not worth the rage to get concerned about for me - for others on a tighter budget i'm sure it sucks.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
One question that I think might be one of the most important ones is if the FW units will be in the 40K army builder GW will do.

Are FWs AoS models in the AoS one?

Yes. At least the Mourngul is.

 Yodhrin wrote:

The fact that you're incapable of grasping that someone living within their means and so operating with a limited hobby budget is exactly why they might express a bit of frustration at the prospect a purchase will turn out to have less value than they initially thought it would is exactly the problem with your sanctimony. The underlying implication that anyone who does have to operate with a limited hobby budget shouldn't be part of the hobby at all is one that pops up on Dakka with pretty annoying frequency and it just needs to bloody stop - if people can't muster up some shred of basic sympathy for people who're not as well off, at least spare everyone the unsolicited financial advice.

I'm capable of grasping it, but you know the price of the hobby going into it. No one got tricked in with an entire free army and then suddenly can't afford a $40 book.

Is it somewhat frustrating that SM and CSM are getting their Indices "invalidated" by a new Codex release? Yeah, I get that. If you're playing mono SM or CSM and everything you own is getting replaced in a month, needing a new book, that sucks. It does, and no one likes buying something only to be told they need to buy the next edition immediately. Been there, done that.

But given that the Index + Codex (if they are priced similarly to AoS Battletomes) is pretty much the same price as 7th edition Codices, and that the Index still gives you rules for armies that won't get Codices for a while, and that the Index let you play the game for a month before the book came out, complaining about that relatively small price seems a bit silly.

Especially since the index isn't invalid until all the armies inside get Codices, so if you have Imperium 1 and want to pick up some Deathwatch, DA, BA, LotD, or SW until they get updated, it still retains value. And Chaos will retain value until they do 1k Sons, World Eaters, all of Daemons, and Traitor Knights. (And maybe Emperor's Children?)

Requizen wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

The fact that you're incapable of grasping that someone living within their means and so operating with a limited hobby budget is exactly why they might express a bit of frustration at the prospect a purchase will turn out to have less value than they initially thought it would is exactly the problem with your sanctimony. The underlying implication that anyone who does have to operate with a limited hobby budget shouldn't be part of the hobby at all is one that pops up on Dakka with pretty annoying frequency and it just needs to bloody stop - if people can't muster up some shred of basic sympathy for people who're not as well off, at least spare everyone the unsolicited financial advice.

I'm capable of grasping it, but you know the price of the hobby going into it. No one got tricked in with an entire free army and then suddenly can't afford a $40 book.

Is it somewhat frustrating that SM and CSM are getting their Indices "invalidated" by a new Codex release? Yeah, I get that. If you're playing mono SM or CSM and everything you own is getting replaced in a month, needing a new book, that sucks. It does, and no one likes buying something only to be told they need to buy the next edition immediately. Been there, done that.

But given that the Index + Codex (if they are priced similarly to AoS Battletomes) is pretty much the same price as 7th edition Codices, and that the Index still gives you rules for armies that won't get Codices for a while, and that the Index let you play the game for a month before the book came out, complaining about that relatively small price seems a bit silly.

Especially since the index isn't invalid until all the armies inside get Codices, so if you have Imperium 1 and want to pick up some Deathwatch, DA, BA, LotD, or SW until they get updated, it still retains value. And Chaos will retain value until they do 1k Sons, World Eaters, all of Daemons, and Traitor Knights. (And maybe Emperor's Children?)

Except the price raises weekly if not more often. Also I got a lot of money to blow but that's an expression, I do not want to give a multi million dollar company my money for taking out their out of print garbage.

In whfb people litterally gave GW tons of money to carry their garbage out.... People literally got couple hours use out of a couple hundred dollars. That's hooker prices, like a good one too.

Free indexes would be nice, but what pisses me more is that they were not included into 420 dollar collector's edition. Still not sure if it was good idea to buy it.

Since not all of these 2017 codexs will have models, at least we are getting the ones who don't really need anything new or a major overhaul i.e. grey knights out of the way first.