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 techsoldaten wrote:
Part of me wants to say the Indexes should have been free. The other part of me says I spent an extra $25 to play the new edition, and I enjoy playing it.

I will reserve my rage for when I see the price point of the Codex itself. If it's $60, I will write a strongly worded / slightly sarcastic post on this forum, then get over it.

Other than that... GW is a public company and decisions around when to release stuff is usually based on the need to spread out revenue over the course of a year. It's capitalism and marketing, not some scheme to endorse one army over another.

This is everything I was thinking as well. I'm just going to watch how it all shakes up, complain if need be and then get over it and play some games.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:


clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.

Seeing as how several parts of the sculptor's converted army have ended up in the finished designs he did, would it really matter if it isn't legit or not model-wise?

The text explicitly calls it out as a "Plagueburst Crawler". That's not in anything I've come across yet.

That army is not the same army as that of the sculptor/designer, this is the army of one of the studio painters. They have a very similar scheme.

But yeah, I'd say this is the real deal. Hope GW show us full pictures now that it's out in the open

Milkshaker wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

timd wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:


clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.

Vindicator replacement? Looks a bit larger than the Rhino.

I dunno, given the obvious Mortar on it, I'm gonna guess it's a indirect firesupport unit. basicly a "chaos whirlwind analogue"

I would imagine it'll have more of a direct fire support role, as it has sponsons as well (not much use when you're behind a mountain ) I wonder what its' dual kit option will be.

Could be plaguespitter sponsors as defensive weapons. That would actually be pretty awesome for an artillery tank to be able to ward off CC attacks with flamer sponsons.

They look like upsized grenade launchers, in my opinion.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They look like upsized grenade launchers, in my opinion.

Yeah, but you though the leaked primaris marines were made of procreate, so...


#TeamRealRemembers

Its obviously a nurgling gun. Raw nurglings are propelled into the enemy by the explosive combustion of their own flatulence.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They look like upsized grenade launchers, in my opinion.

Yeah, but you though the leaked primaris marines were made of procreate, so...


#TeamRealRemembers

Actually, I thought they were converted.

But hey. If you want to keep bringing up things like that, more power to you. Just means you'll get ignored.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Its obviously a nurgling gun. Raw nurglings are propelled into the enemy by the explosive combustion of their own flatulence.

That actually didn't sound bad! But to me it doesn't look quite like a flamer... more like a cannon, the sponsor-weapon.

The Plaguethingy looks cool. Didn't notice it had sponsons in the original tiny pic, so that's nice.

It appears they are not doubling up on imperium factions for the release schedule, and seem to be releasing adversarial pairings. given how few non-legion chaos forces there are this probably means that xenos won't be relegated to the back of the line. Adversarial pairing also give us some fun fodder for baseless speculation. Other factions this year, Chaos Daemons is a no brainer, and they will be accompanied by an imperial faction, probably guard, but maybe another flavor of power armor like Dark Angels.

The next two likely factions I'd bet on will probably be Ad Mech and Tau, say in October. They have a confirmed campaign coming up, and it seems like a good idea to get their codexes out before or during the campaign. There are already hints in this edition that Cawl is moving on acquiring Xenos tech, and the tau are sending forces back into the damocles gulf, which seems like foreshadowing done in skywriting.

If they Keep an adversarial pairing into December, and being flat out of chaos factions that aren't a legion, the last set of codexes for the year will probably be another flavor of power armor and another xenos. Blood angels (new and improved berserking space vampires) and Tyranids seems a likely pair, or death watch and Aeldari.

Interesting DG tank.

Looks like a modified Minotaur hull, or something very similar, but with a mortar and sponsons instead of the double cannon

adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

Looks like it has some sort of frontal canon, too. I see a bit of pistons behind the statue, so maybe it has a cannon like a Vindicator, too?

BrianDavion wrote:
adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

CSM isn't a bad pairing for them, but yeah daemons would have made more sense. Maybe there was a narrative reason for that, like they really want to show the everyman of the imperium (the guard) trying to fight off demonic hordes.

 Grimgold wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

CSM isn't a bad pairing for them, but yeah daemons would have made more sense. Maybe there was a narrative reason for that, like they really want to show the everyman of the imperium (the guard) trying to fight off demonic hordes.

that or they needed to get GK out fast for some reason.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

CSM isn't a bad pairing for them, but yeah daemons would have made more sense. Maybe there was a narrative reason for that, like they really want to show the everyman of the imperium (the guard) trying to fight off demonic hordes.

that or they needed to get GK out fast for some reason.

Probably because it was the one that was ready.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

CSM isn't a bad pairing for them, but yeah daemons would have made more sense. Maybe there was a narrative reason for that, like they really want to show the everyman of the imperium (the guard) trying to fight off demonic hordes.

that or they needed to get GK out fast for some reason.

Isn't their Smite spam real atm? I've heard GK have some odd balance going on atm so maybe they wanted to get that out of the way quickly

 Ascalam wrote:
Interesting DG tank.

Looks like a modified Minotaur hull, or something very similar, but with a mortar and sponsons instead of the double cannon

Only superficially. The Minotaur is a much larger superheavy tank, with a very different hull shape. IMO it looks more like someone found one of those awful old Epic designs lost in the warehouse and scaled it up to 28mm.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Interesting DG tank.

Looks like a modified Minotaur hull, or something very similar, but with a mortar and sponsons instead of the double cannon

Only superficially. The Minotaur is a much larger superheavy tank, with a very different hull shape. IMO it looks more like someone found one of those awful old Epic designs lost in the warehouse and scaled it up to 28mm.

Going by that dark green illustration of it, it looks like it has more detail on it than what we can see from the blurry photo. I think it'll look better with a proper look at it

 Tiberius501 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
adversarial parinings makes sense, but at the same time it'll be hard to predict, as one would think Grey Knights would be vs deamons.

CSM isn't a bad pairing for them, but yeah daemons would have made more sense. Maybe there was a narrative reason for that, like they really want to show the everyman of the imperium (the guard) trying to fight off demonic hordes.

that or they needed to get GK out fast for some reason.

Isn't their Smite spam real atm? I've heard GK have some odd balance going on atm so maybe they wanted to get that out of the way quickly

could be, we know some armies in the indexes feel a little, hollow like they're missing something, missing units and the like (Death Guard are a VERY clear example of this) presumably GW's planning to drop some releases, it could be GKs are slated for some inital stuff

I'd be shocked if they had models slated to come between DG and primaris releases, equally shocked if they plan to release a codex with rules for models that aren't out and won't be for a decent period.

Has it been confirmed whether previously individual codex chapter will be folded into the vanilla marine book or stay separate? (Like Blood and dark Angels)

 warboss wrote:
Has it been confirmed whether previously individual codex chapter will be folded into the vanilla marine book or stay separate? (Like Blood and dark Angels)

Still separate

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

"Codex: Space Marines doesn’t include rules for playing with Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch or Grey Knights armies, so you’ll still need Index: Imperium 1 to play with those"

SilverAlien wrote:
I'd be shocked if they had models slated to come between DG and primaris releases, equally shocked if they plan to release a codex with rules for models that aren't out and won't be for a decent period.

I would be to as it'd be something that'd come absolutely out of no where, with no rumors etc. but I seem to recall GW managing to pull stuff off like that before.

I suspect GKs though are mostly getting an "empty codex release" like their 7th ed release. and will, tops, get rules for using Primaris Marines. (granted I suspect that may be the case for all the SM varients this edition)

Maybe if they're lucky they'll get a new plastic HQ clampack.

Grey Knights won't get a model release - Voldus(?) would have been a good thing to go along with it, but alas too late. They are knocking that one out because it is easy to do. Which sounds like a complaint, but it is a good thing! You don't need to keep adding more and more units to factions, there are limits. Just get their rules sorted and get them out there. It is nice low hanging fruit. Devote the real time to factions that need it.

 warboss wrote:
Has it been confirmed whether previously individual codex chapter will be folded into the vanilla marine book or stay separate? (Like Blood and dark Angels)

Sadly it is the opposite.

I wonder whether (like DA&BA) the main traitor legions (EC,WE,TS & DE is confirmed) will all get their own book and if so, I hope soon

By releasing codex books at this rate GW will have plenty of time to bring out plastic models and army books for lore-wise established factions like Emperor's Children and World Eaters but also introducing new ones like a completely new xeno race or a new imperial regiment. Look at 7th edition, a lot of factions got only a few models like an HQ kit with their army books. Then GW used the space to release AdMech, GSC and Harlequins.

 fwlr wrote:
I wonder whether (like DA&BA) the main traitor legions (EC,WE,TS & DE is confirmed) will all get their own book and if so, I hope soon

A "Fallen Legions" would have been better IMO and then maybe a "Renegades and Traitors" one covering Chaos Marines, Renegade Gaurd/ Dark Mechanicus,

Warhams-77 wrote:
By releasing codex books at this rate GW will have plenty of time to bring out plastic models and army books for lore-wise established factions like Emperor's Children and World Eaters but also introducing new ones like a completely new xeno race or a new imperial regiment. Look at 7th edition, a lot of factions got only a few models like an HQ kit with their army books. Then GW used the space to release AdMech, GSC and Harlequins.

My concern here is that now there are a lot of older armies in dire need of many kits because of this, chaos marines likely won't get anything despite the standard chaos marine frames being ancient, dodgy finecast oblits/mutilators, no real box set for cultists etc.

Eldar are in a worse spot even with aspect warriors, grey knights have a limited range but at least it's modern.