Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons [News: Dec 30 - Jan 2018 WD with the new models]

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**Rydria**

mrhappyface wrote:
Horus Luperkermit wrote:
Terminators in Cataphractii cost 30 points per model in the new Space Marine Codex. Considering Plague Marines have to pay 6 additional Points for their +1T and 5+++ over normal CSM, DG Terminators will probably cost around 35 points per model (without weaponry). I guess youre right with your 50 p. per model. Pricey

Except regular Chaos Terminators are 31pts base (because why not? That's only 5pts more than SM terminators for nothing extra and the same points as Terminators with a 3++) so with +1T, 4++ and 5+++ added on they'll likely shoot to 50pts base.

They are 5pts more because loyalist terminators have to take power fists, while chaos ones can take budget weapons (it is silly) but i suppose it is so you can't spam cheapo terminators

**SilverAlien**

Elbows wrote:
I think it's up in the air...very possible you'll lose a number of units.

That strikes me as unlikely, mainly because it'll be a pain to actually right into rules. Simply leaving them off from the codex just means we'd use the legacy rules, as we will inevitably do for our lords and sorcerers on palanquins. The choice to leave non supported units in the index but remove them in the codex and still let them be used means they will basically have to FAQ our army list if they want to strip stuff. In fact, they will likely to have to FAQ away access to the normal CSM psychic discipline for our palanquin sorcerers as if stands. Possibly why they originally weren't giving us them.

**Warhams-77**

Ishagu - B&C forum

Deathguard are a 3 week release starting the 9th of September.

Pre orders the week before that :-)

**zamerion**

goooddd

Now we only need some "fresh" pics

**Marshal Loss**

We'll get more on Sunday, for the first wave, when they do their release preview for the following weekend.

**Tiberius501**

Yeeeeee booooiiiiiiz! God I'm so ready

**SilverAlien**

Marshal Loss wrote:
We'll get more on Sunday, for the first wave, when they do their release preview for the following weekend.

That'd be this Sunday or next Sunday? If preorder is up the 2nd I'd assume you mean the 3rd.

**Tiberius501**

SilverAlien wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
We'll get more on Sunday, for the first wave, when they do their release preview for the following weekend.

That'd be this Sunday or next Sunday? If preorder is up the 2nd I'd assume you mean the 3rd.

They tend to talk about things the week before they go up for pre-order. So I'd expect he meant this Sunday

**Binabik15**

The Termis are so chuuunky. Of course I just bought bits to do a Blight King/Termi mashup that'll be totally dwarfed by them. FW Cataphractii lega are kinda tiny compared even to DI power armour legs ;_;

The three Termis with scythes are all made from a unit kit, right? So many clamp packs with same-y gear would be a waste. As posable, equipabe dudes though...I want them NOW.

**Mandragola**

Qlanth wrote:
Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
Some of the models look nice, but the fact I can only see three or four older kits is very worrying. More than likely a sign that even more units will be made unavailable to Death Guard. So we're probably gonna be stuck with Lords of Corruption and the Noxious Blightbringer, with no option to take Lords out of termie armour or sorcerers in termie armour, the way nu-gw writes their rules also makes me doubt they'll have many, or indeed any different weapon options, because converting models is a sin now or something.

Index: Chaos allows Death Guard to take Lords w/o terminator armor and Sorcerers w/ Terminator armor. I don't see any reason why they would remove that ability?

Everyone (and I mean everyone) should chill about any codex removing units. We get the same pointless panic with every codex.

No codex removes units from the index list, or weapon options from those units. We are told that we can continue to use units from the index if they aren't in the codex.

Here's what Warhammer Community said, right at the start of the codex process:

There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

**SilverAlien**

Yes but for some of those units which had updated point costs in the codex:CSM, you'll need the CSM codex as well. Or plain sorcerers who, unless errata'd, would use the CSM discipline. Which leads into weird territory about what you use from where.

Basically, this is codex is going to be weird no matter what they do.

**aracersss**

unless you draw the conclusion than DG will have their own take on sorcerers and other generic units portrayed in the CSM codex, but with DG rules

**Mandragola**

I'm sure there will be loads of duplication. If you look at a 7th edition blood Angela codex you won't find a page that tells you to look in the marine codex for the rules for librarians or predators. I'm sure the gk codex will be the same, albeit maybe minus some old options that are only in the index. And that's where things might get weird.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I see london I see france,

I see Typhus about to open a can of whoopass.

Holy feth he's huge.

**mrhappyface**

Rydria wrote:
They are 5pts more because loyalist terminators have to take power fists, while chaos ones can take budget weapons (it is silly) but i suppose it is so you can't spam cheapo terminators

Still means Chaos Terminators with PF are 25pts more than the loyalist version for nothing different, 1 or 2pts more per model I could understand but 5?

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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I see london I see france,

I see Typhus about to open a can of whoopass.

Holy feth he's huge.

He's about the same size as the other Terminators, just he's stood on a rock.

**Nicorex**

Actually MrHappyFace, you are paying 5 points per model for the "Death to the False Emperor" rule. I am not sure if the possibility of an extra attack is worth 5 more points but GW sure is.

**mrhappyface**

Nicorex wrote:
Actually MrHappyFace, you are paying 5 points per model for the "Death to the False Emperor" rule. I am not sure if the possibility of an extra attack is worth 5 more points but GW sure is.

But then the loyalist version gets ATSKNF: I'd say being able to re-roll morale is about equivalent to an extra attack... that only activates on a 6+ (so cannot be achieved with Power Fist Terminators)... and only works against one faction in the game.

That is not what the 5pt gap is.

**MechaEmperor7000**

mrhappyface wrote:
He's about the same size as the other Terminators, just he's stood on a rock.

But look at his leg. I reckon it's bigger than a marine's entire torso.

**mrhappyface**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
He's about the same size as the other Terminators, just he's stood on a rock.

But look at his leg. I reckon it's bigger than a marine's entire torso.

He's thicc that's for certain (just like his daddy).

**Marshal Loss**

SilverAlien wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
We'll get more on Sunday, for the first wave, when they do their release preview for the following weekend.

That'd be this Sunday or next Sunday? If preorder is up the 2nd I'd assume you mean the 3rd.

No. Look at the Warhammer Community website - they preview the following week's releases the day after pre-orders come out. So if pre-orders for the first wave are on the 2nd, we will get a preview on the 27th.

**Qlanth**

Early leaks said the codex doesn't release until Sep 23rd. But, that same leak had the CSM and GK releases a week later than the actual day, so maybe GW is just a week ahead of the game?

Do you think the new units that have been previewed will all release on the same day as the codex? Can't remember how it went for the Codex SM release and their new tank.

edit - it was one week not two weeks

**Arachnofiend**

I'm pretty sure that 4chan "leak" was just a complete fabrication. It had Thousand Sons after Death Guard IIRC, which is obviously false since we know AdMech is coming next.

**Qlanth**

Arachnofiend wrote:
I'm pretty sure that 4chan "leak" was just a complete fabrication. It had Thousand Sons after Death Guard IIRC, which is obviously false since we know AdMech is coming next.

This was a different rumor/leak than the 4 Chan one. It had specific dates. i originally saw it on Facebook back in July (I think). It had the right order and specific dates rather than months. But the dates seemed to be all off but the order was right.

I found this article on it:
https://spikeybits.com/2017/08/rumored-8th-codex-2017-release-schedule.html

So far it's been correct just off by a week.

**zamerion**

Speaking of leaks, I need white dwarf review

**Warhams-77**

WD preorder may have an interesting pic or two. The NZ webshop will start preorders within the next ~53 minutes

**Ghaz**

Warhams-77 wrote:
WD preorder may have an interesting pic or two. The NZ webshop will start preorders within the next ~53 minutes

They're already up...

**SilverAlien**

So I assume nothing on the WD preview? Ah well. Looks like it'll be Sunday at the earliest.

**Qlanth**

Not sure if this has been posted? Just saw it pop up in the Death Guard fb group. Supposedly it's leaked art from the codex.

Death Guard https://imgur.com/gallery/2Rf4L

**NinthMusketeer**

Qlanth wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted? Just saw it pop up in the Death Guard fb group. Supposedly it's leaked art from the codex.

Death Guard https://imgur.com/gallery/2Rf4L

But is the bro on the lower right a pestigor or poxwalker? Hmmmm...

**H.B.M.C.**

Interestingly most of the Plague Marines in that pic are very non-tentacle-y/mutated. They're mostly just bloated guys in green Mk.II/Mk.III armour.

That's good. Gives me hope that the kit will allow both.