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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Glumy wrote:
While there is nothing wrong with discussion about prices its a great thing that in capitalism nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont like ...and that is perhaps the only relevant answer.

"Relevant". Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I see that you don't either. Hilarious that you come in and correct someone else in such a manner and are blatantly wrong.

Relevant
- closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered.
- appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest.

Synonyms - synonyms: pertinent, applicable, apposite, material, apropos, to the point, germane; connected, related, linked;
on-topic

Please put more thought into your posts next time you want to talk down to someone.

Glumy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I see youre from Australia so english is your first language. What synonym would you use then?

"Fitting" ? "Appropriate" ?

Se above. What a joke.


On topic, I'm not getting more then 20 plague marines right now. I love them but they aren't the most competitive troop choice right now so moderation is key.

I have 28 counting a few conversions. Enough for me.

I will be leaning heavier on swarmy Poxwalkers, cultists and daemons

 Luciferian wrote:

A brand new army would be a pretty penny if you bought all NIB kits at MSRP and didn't use any DI stuff.

Mortarion - $140
Typhus - $40
Biologus - $25
Tallyman - $25
21 PM - $150
24 Poxwalkers - $60
3 Bloat Drone - $150
3 PBC - $195

=$785

Very good point but if you did buy the DI half that would look like:

Mortarion - $140
Typhus - $40
Biologus - $25
Tallyman - $25
7 PM - $50
1 easy-build PM set - $15
1 easy-build poxwalker set (additional 6) - $15
1 Bloat Drone - $50
1 DI Bloat Drone - $25
3 PBC - $195
1 DI set - $65
Total - $645

You'd walk away with 26 poxwalkers, 17 plague marines (I don't think its safe to buy many more right now but you could get a second easy-build if you wanted 20), and an extra Plaguecaster, Lord of Contagion, and Noxious Blightbringer from it. You could even go cheaper if you convert the Lord to Typhus and got all 3 plague drones from the DI set. Then, buying them from a place like thewarstore.com you would save an additional $52 from the list I mentioned totaling at 593. Still expensive but with smart shopping you can get that cost down.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So for a deathguard army how many plaguemarines are people on average going to get?

Has anyone made an estimate of how much a DG army would cost with these new kits?

I think it depends if you have a clear role for them or you want to be sure that this time you will deploy 5-10 shooty ones next time 7-20 choppy ones.
If, say, you know you will only use 1 unit of 5-7 with 3 plasma, that's about it.

Myself I am enjoying converting and I want variety so they will be way more. Still undecided on the ripoff-box, that will be a 0-1 instead of the 2-3 planned.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:


Very good point but if you did buy the DI half that would look like:

Mortarion - $140
Typhus - $40
Biologus - $25
Tallyman - $25
7 PM - $50
1 easy-build PM set - $15
1 easy-build poxwalker set (additional 6) - $15
1 Bloat Drone - $50
1 DI Bloat Drone - $25
3 PBC - $195
1 DI set - $65
Total - $645

You'd walk away with 26 poxwalkers, 17 plague marines (I don't think its safe to buy many more right now but you could get a second easy-build if you wanted 20), and an extra Plaguecaster, Lord of Contagion, and Noxious Blightbringer from it. You could even go cheaper if you convert the Lord to Typhus and got all 3 plague drones from the DI set. Then, buying them from a place like thewarstore.com you would save an additional $52 from the list I mentioned totaling at 593. Still expensive but with smart shopping you can get that cost down.

Oh, for certain. That's more what I'm doing myself.

1/2 Dark Imperium - $80
2x 1/2 Know No Fear - $65
Another 7 DI PM - $27
Various conversion bits - $30

Which leaves me with 3 Lords of Contagion, one of which is destined to become Typhus; 1 Plaguecaster and 1 Blightbringer; 24 Plague Marines including the bits to give them a bunch of bubotic axes, flails and blightlaunchers; 40 Poxwalkers; and 3 Blight drones. All for $200.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Glumy wrote:
While there is nothing wrong with discussion about prices its a great thing that in capitalism nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont like ...and that is perhaps the only relevant answer.

"Relevant". Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I see that you don't either. Hilarious that you come in and correct someone else in such a manner and are blatantly wrong.

Relevant
- closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered.
- appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest.

Synonyms - synonyms: pertinent, applicable, apposite, material, apropos, to the point, germane; connected, related, linked;
on-topic

Please put more thought into your posts next time you want to talk down to someone.

Glumy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I see youre from Australia so english is your first language. What synonym would you use then?

"Fitting" ? "Appropriate" ?

Se above. What a joke.


On topic, I'm not getting more then 20 plague marines right now. I love them but they aren't the most competitive troop choice right now so moderation is key.

It’s not the only relevant answer though, I think it HBMCs point. Everyone’s points have been - appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest. and pertinent, applicable,. Not agreeing with them doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant.

Mugaaz wrote:
As a new player, everytime I come to this thread I get depressed. This has to be the saltiest no-hype zone. I don't mind reading about various complaints people might have, but there is literally nothing else other than that for last 20 pages. Isn't anyone here excited about a single thing? It's a brand new army, with a new primarch. Most of the sculpts are awesome. Yes, there a few stinkers, just like there are in every faction in every game. Yes, some of the stuff is stupidly overpriced (bloat drones), but when has GW stuff ever been a good deal financially?

Pull up a chair, young'un, and let me spin you a yarn about the good old days, when you could get 30-40 models in a box for a mere 30 dollars, or 5 metals crammed into a blister for less than $10.

But as far as Nurgle sculpts go... these new ones... eh. Like 'em or don't like 'em, it's a very different aesthetic (and scale) to the Nurgle models that had been in play. Some look like they were aimed at the old Realm of Chaos aesthetic, but the limitations of their CAD design program (or the designers, not sure which) makes them too chunky and cute to pull that off.

AM I the only one who's dissapointed that they haven't released a poxwalker box? Always hate when an unit is only availble in a starter sert or boxed game (chaos cultist, GC aberrant).

Don't mention the easy to build kit...


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Voss wrote:

Mugaaz wrote:
As a new player, everytime I come to this thread I get depressed. This has to be the saltiest no-hype zone. I don't mind reading about various complaints people might have, but there is literally nothing else other than that for last 20 pages. Isn't anyone here excited about a single thing? It's a brand new army, with a new primarch. Most of the sculpts are awesome. Yes, there a few stinkers, just like there are in every faction in every game. Yes, some of the stuff is stupidly overpriced (bloat drones), but when has GW stuff ever been a good deal financially?

Pull up a chair, young'un, and let me spin you a yarn about the good old days, when you could get 30-40 models in a box for a mere 30 dollars, or 5 metals crammed into a blister for less than $10.

But as far as Nurgle sculpts go... these new ones... eh. Like 'em or don't like 'em, it's a very different aesthetic (and scale) to the Nurgle models that had been in play. Some look like they were aimed at the old Realm of Chaos aesthetic, but the limitations of their CAD design program (or the designers, not sure which) makes them too chunky and cute to pull that off.

there's a few models that I really like, but overall, I think they went too far with the ''cute'' aspect. Some of these models seems like they were taken straight out of monster inc.

 Galas wrote:

 ZoBo wrote:
I always have, and always will run my plague marines in squads of 7 - I don't care in the slightest that it's "sub-optimal" or "inefficient" - it's "right" dammit!

I also couldn't care in the slightest about tournaments, or any kind of more competitive style games, so there's that...

Nah, is not about competitive.

For example, when I set the volume in TV, I always go for pair numbers. For example, I will never, never, let the volume in the TV at 31, or 17, or 43. I don't know why, but it just feel wrong. I have the same problem with the number of dudes in my squads

I feel the same way. I’ve gotten round it in my HH DG by brining a 20 man squad with an attached character.

 streetsamurai wrote:
AM I the only one who's dissapointed that they haven't released a poxwalker box? Always hate when an unit is only availble in a starter sert or boxed game (chaos cultist, GC aberrant).

Don't mention the easy to build kit...

I won't pretend it's a good solution, but the "Know No Fear" box(the $80 Starter Lite set) has the same Poxwalkers from the starter, but in 10s and green plastic instead.
Also has basic Plague Marines, Bloat Drone, and Lord of Contagion.

My wild guess would be someting along the lines of like 3 x10 plague marines would be the average? For me at least that would be the sweet spot.
DI would give you 7 unique models plus the 3 from the easy to build would sort your first 10.
Add 3x PM multipart boxes would cover the rest and probably enough for you to have considerable different unique sculpts.
The back bone of your army is done and you can build around that depending on your tastes.

Some termis a couple crawlers and couple drones £175
Typhus, blightspawn, morty and bodyguard £160
Half DI with all nurgle bits set £50

That is £385 frp and then add the 3 PM boxes… Its not cheap but not outrageous for so many nice sculpts.

There's no doubt that these kits are expensive and that there is less variety in the kits then you might like. In terms of design the paint jobs definitely play up the cutesy element.
We have already seen paint jobs that make them look much more grotesque.
As for the price smart shopping will get you these models at a much less expensive price. As someone who lives in Japan which is both one of most expensive places to buy GW minis and a place where the word discount does not seem to exist, I am gobsmacked when anyone in America talks about paying rrp. It is so easy to get a discount of at least 15% there.
The dark imperium half is readily available on eBay both collectively and individually.
I am also convinced that there will be a start collecting box in the next six months or so. (and a primaris one)
2 dark imperium halves would make a very decent core to an army especially if you have some converting skills.
One box of plague marines would bring you up to 21 marines total and give you some bits for conversions.
That would give you enough points for some games while you wait for a start collecting box or a battleforce.

Aside from the Nurglings, I don't get what's so cutesy about them. Nor do I mind them being cutesy, personally. They're similar to the Blightkings in that they're a mishmash of everything that's come to represent Nurgle (and Chaos in general) in the past. You've got pitted and corroded Mark III armor, most of which is exactly like that seen on the Mark III marines except roughed up and bulked out. You've got the squicky tentacle and mutation bits just like a lot of other CSM kits such as the Chosen. You've got cracked armor and mysterious tubes just like the orignal Plague Marine models. Then you've got things which are basically direct copy and paste jobs from the Blightkings, such as the antler type growths and several of the heads. None of that strikes me as a massive departure from the past - more like it's mashing them all together in a greatest hits compilation.

Now throw in the Nurglings, rictus grins and flies and that's pretty cheeky, cutesy stuff. But Grandfather Nurgle is a god of joy, after all!

Nurgle is also the god of despair, and i would have like to see it reflected a bit more

 streetsamurai wrote:
Nurgle is also the god of despair, and i would have like to see it reflected a bit more

just have a read through this thread then!

Well, at least it's easy to get rid of the less dour details. What are some ideas you have about how they could have been done differently? Anything specific you would change?

If anyone really wants PLAINgue Marines there's the plastic Mk IIIs, Green Stuff and weathering techniques. Easy to do something to your taste this way and cheaper to boot.

A box of Prospero and you've the core of a force, customisable to your liking but visually linked to the new releases.

 Mymearan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all need help moving those goal posts? They look heavy!!!

I think you quoted the wrong post.

Sure didn't.

Your point was arguing that mono-pose is no big deal, and that everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par". This is of course nonsense, and I can't think of anyone who's actually said that. As a lot of us has been saying from the start GW's plastic technology is so good that multi-pose option-filled kits are kinda the norm now - the expectation - so when they seem to go backwards in functionality (not aesthetic, the DG minis look fantastic) yet charge the same price is irks some of us. Then when they do this and reduce the amount of miniatures in the basic troop boxes, it's the rotted plague filled straw that broke the Foulspawn's back.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:
I see that you don't either. Hilarious that you come in and correct someone else in such a manner and are blatantly wrong.

That whooshing noise you're hearing is the sound of my point sailing waaaaaaaaaaay over your head.

The person I quoted made the "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" argument, which doesn't really answer the points that are being made, hence it not being a -relevant- argument. "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" doesn't address the fact that it's a 7-man box for the price of 10 or that, more confusingly, there are people here defending that as a good thing.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:
Please put more thought into your posts next time you want to talk down to someone.

Backatcha big boy.

 Luciferian wrote:
Well, at least it's easy to get rid of the less dour details. What are some ideas you have about how they could have been done differently? Anything specific you would change?

Is a matter of subtlety. Most of the elements of the models are what one expects from CSM, but is the proportions chosen that for someone are "off".
I suppose is essentially the style of the sculptor. I doubt that this is technical limitations. Is deliberate - you cannot tell that the guy is bad, is excellent, but for some is not the right "tone".
Is the exact same thing that people that love one illustrator and hate another, or just think one illustrator is perfect/terrible for the tone of a specific comic/book/gamebook.

Myself, I trim the marines (adjusting as an example the proportions between the spikes and the body, and making them slightly less busy) and remove the nurglings (since they are cute, I move them to different bases so I can use them as tokens) and I am ok with the tone if I use a different, darker paintjob and creepier lights for goggles and such.
In my case, I keep the "fat/bloated" aspect of the marines and I am ok with that. Nurgle is more a "Dawn of the Dead" than "A Nightmare in Helm Street", so to say. Is a fine line but I see why for many can be troublesome.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
If anyone really wants PLAINgue Marines there's the plastic Mk IIIs, Green Stuff and weathering techniques. Easy to do something to your taste this way and cheaper to boot.

A box of Prospero and you've the core of a force, customisable to your liking but visually linked to the new releases.

See above (but for the same reason, for some this could be an extremely useful suggestion, for others completely useless. I think you did the right thing bringing it up).

I could make another example: I am painting a retrieved old FW Dreadnought of Nurgle (BTW, to my delight, I discovered there is another hull type I have still to hunt and find) and I noticed that even if I always loved that model, is very busy. Why I loved this one and I am overwhelmed by the untrimmed Plague Marines?
Again, is proportions. The pustules and spikes are omnipresent but kept small. They do not distract from the main features like the Helmet, weapons and such. In this way FW obtained a model that is full of detail but not too busy, and a sensible paint scheme seals the deal (if someone wants to enhance the features, is a paintjob choice).
The model IS rich and full of small details like a nurgling on top, but you have to look for it, they don't rub it on your face.
To me this is a sign of a more mature and skilled sculptor, albeit the resin and studio style could have a big role, I suppose.

Kaiyanwang, if you have already converted some models I'd love to see pictures. I would also like to see any Mark III Plague Marines, as JohnnyHell suggested. I really enjoy seeing different people's takes on the miniatures with a subject like DG, where there's so much room for creative license.

 Luciferian wrote:
Kaiyanwang, if you have already converted some models I'd love to see pictures. I would also like to see any Mark III Plague Marines, as JohnnyHell suggested. I really enjoy seeing different people's takes on the miniatures with a subject like DG, where there's so much room for creative license.

I am actually planning a WIP blog or something to give some contribute to Dakka more than whining so yes is going to happen.
I am trying, too, to mix Walkers with skitarii and exhaust bits to create more biomechanical zombies.
I move every 2-3 years in another part of the globe and my only camera is my phone so I hope the quality will be decent.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all need help moving those goal posts? They look heavy!!!

I think you quoted the wrong post.

Sure didn't.

Your point was arguing that mono-pose is no big deal, and that everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par". This is of course nonsense, and I can't think of anyone who's actually said that. As a lot of us has been saying from the start GW's plastic technology is so good that multi-pose option-filled kits are kinda the norm now - the expectation - so when they seem to go backwards in functionality (not aesthetic, the DG minis look fantastic) yet charge the same price is irks some of us. Then when they do this and reduce the amount of miniatures in the basic troop boxes, it's the rotted plague filled straw that broke the Foulspawn's back.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:
I see that you don't either. Hilarious that you come in and correct someone else in such a manner and are blatantly wrong.

That whooshing noise you're hearing is the sound of my point sailing waaaaaaaaaaay over your head.

The person I quoted made the "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" argument, which doesn't really answer the points that are being made, hence it not being a -relevant- argument. "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" doesn't address the fact that it's a 7-man box for the price of 10 or that, more confusingly, there are people here defending that as a good thing.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:
Please put more thought into your posts next time you want to talk down to someone.

Backatcha big boy.

We get it, its bad and everyone who likes it is wrong. We would be nowhere without you to tell us how unbelievably gakky GW releases are, why we might even be enjoying the hobby completely oblivious to how miserable we were.

 NAVARRO wrote:
My wild guess would be someting along the lines of like 3 x10 plague marines would be the average? For me at least that would be the sweet spot.
DI would give you 7 unique models plus the 3 from the easy to build would sort your first 10.
Add 3x PM multipart boxes would cover the rest and probably enough for you to have considerable different unique sculpts.
The back bone of your army is done and you can build around that depending on your tastes.

Some termis a couple crawlers and couple drones £175
Typhus, blightspawn, morty and bodyguard £160
Half DI with all nurgle bits set £50

That is £385 frp and then add the 3 PM boxes… Its not cheap but not outrageous for so many nice sculpts.

Not quite that much. Pulling an actual competitive list out of the army list section of this forum. Kurtces posted a 2000pt list that appears to be well received:
Edited down to just list units and model count:

Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [79 PL, 1506pts]

[HQ] Malignant Plaguecaster: DI Box
[HQ] Typhus $40/£25
[Troops] 10 Chaos Cultists $10 x 2/£6 x 2
[Troops] 10 Chaos Cultists $10 x 2/£6 x 2
[Troops] 7 Plague Marines DI Box
[Troops] 7 Plague Marines $50/£35
[Troops] 20 Poxwalkers DI Box

[Fast Attack] Foetid Bloat-Drone DI Box
[Fast Attack] Foetid Bloat-Drone $50/£30

[Heavy Support] Plagueburst Crawler $65/£40
[Heavy Support] Plagueburst Crawler $65/£40

Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [20 PL, 367pts]

[HQ] Daemon Prince of Nurgle $40/£25

[Elite] Biologus Putrifier $25/£15
[Elite] Noxious Blightbringer DI Box
[Elite] Tallyman $25/£15

Total: +4CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [97 PL, 1876pts]

Assuming you can split a DI box, that comes to about $440/£300. Still not cheap, but not the level people are throwing out. Problem with these "new army" estimates that get tossed around, they are always cherry picked by one side or another to make the army look as expensive or cheap as possible and often are never actually pointed out. As for the DG box set, the seven man count is an annoyance, but the price isn't out the range of marine pricing. Would people be throwing the same fit if the box had be a 5 man kit for $35? There are numerous boxes at that price point. The box is 2% more per model than if it had been a 5 for $35. Would 5 for $40 been ok like assault marines or devestators?

The price is isn't great, but to act like it is some new low for GW is just hyperbole.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
We get it, its bad and everyone who likes it is wrong. We would be nowhere without you to tell us how unbelievably gakky GW releases are, why we might even be enjoying the hobby completely oblivious to how miserable we were.

Where did say any of that? Where have I said that GW releases are "unbelievably gakky"? And yes, I would argue that everyone who likes the idea of 7 models for the price of 10 is wrong. How can one ever be happy about that?

But here's an idea for you Muskateer: Don't. Fething. Generalise.

I try to be rather specific with my comments, so my ire is directed at things in this release which are either less than they could be (Deathshroud) or things that are actually bad (7 models for the price of 10). I have stated time and time again what I like about this release, and other releases.

But, in case you missed it: I think this Death Guard release has been one of gross missed opportunities combined with a near-perfect aesthetic. The miniatures that we have received are simply breathtaking (and not in a "Help I'm choking on plague flies!" way). The new units (Drone, Plague Buggy and the Mortar) are incredible looking, the character models (other than the silly smoke-blowing sorcerer from DI) are incredible, and the new Plague Marines and especially the Terminators are fantastic. If there were any minis I don't like, it would be a couple of the stand alone characters and the Plague Zombies are a little too happy/jolly looking for my tastes, but that can be somewhat dealt with if you use a more drab colour scheme.

The actual releases have a few isses - the price for mono-pose miniatures and the reduction of 7 for 10 being the worst among them - and the rules leave a lot to be desired (with non-Nurgle units in a Death Guard Codex because no model/no rule).

I can take the good with the bad, and express both. If you want to generalise and just say "HMBCDVD always just hates things! OMG! Such a whiner!", then that's your deal. And also a bold-faced LIE.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
We get it, its bad and everyone who likes it is wrong. We would be nowhere without you to tell us how unbelievably gakky GW releases are, why we might even be enjoying the hobby completely oblivious to how miserable we were.

Where did say any of that? Where have I said that GW releases are "unbelievably gakky"? And yes, I would argue that everyone who likes the idea of 7 models for the price of 10 is wrong. How can one ever be happy about that?

But here's an idea for you Muskateer: Don't. Fething. Generalise.
...
I can take the good with the bad, and express both. If you want to generalise and just say "HMBCDVD always just hates things! OMG! Such a whiner!", then that's your deal. And also a bold-faced LIE.

If I walked down a street and punched everyone I passed, would you consider me a needlessly angry person?
What about if instead I just punched every other person I saw? Would you still think of me as angry?

Because at least every other post of yours is complaining about GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The person I quoted made the "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" argument, which doesn't really answer the points that are being made, hence it not being a -relevant- argument. "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" doesn't address the fact that it's a 7-man box for the price of 10 or that, more confusingly, there are people here defending that as a good thing.

I see youre very emotional but in the end this argument is the most relevant. Its the most relevant because for the company as GW money is the most important factor. Now we as clients who might not agree to this pricing policy (and i never said i like it either) can say it out loud with our wallets by not buying these releases.

I dont know what was the reason behind less models for more cash. Perhaps it was because PM are already in the DI box so they didnt expect to sell many boxes anyway. Perhaps its an experiment so if they sell enough boxes that means clients are okay with less for more. Or perhaps due to the size of those models they count them as a true elite units like Sternguard. I can only suspect.

In the end if you dont agree to this policy you shouldnt buy this box. This is the best way to tell them that you dont agree with this.

The answer is simple and should be clear to everybody who has bought these kits for years. The ten-model sets like Tactical and Rubric Marines come with Bolters and a few special weapons, one heavy weapon and some Sergeant options. None of these have ever offered everything needed. Then we have Assault Marines and Devastators or elite choices like Sternguard with large parts of the space on sprues being used for additional weapon or equipment options. Another example is the Death Company Blood Angels kit, which comes with jump packs plus lots of other bits as well - but only 5 models. Like always GW calculated how many sprues they want to sell the kit with, taking long-time sales numbers into consideration, and decided to offer them as a 7-model set, with bolter + plague knife, optional assault weapons, several special weapons, some Sergeant options, the icon bearer option plus heads, chest and shoulder plates. They estimated the amount of sales and ended with this kit. These are rational considerations and not malignancy at work. GW offers nothing exceptionally different to what we are used to for years. I like the PM kit for what it is. If I wouldn't I just wont buy it, problem solved.

Nurgle CSM and Chaos Marines in general plus Orks have always been among the conversion-heaviest armies. I see tons of potential with the new kits. Look at what KrautScientist has done with the Dark Imperium DG models and you know the possibilities are infinite. Before even making use of the multipart PM kit.

That kits have pros and cons is understood by everyone. Vote with your wallet if you disagree with what is offered.

What about the Space Wolves kit?

Fantasy Nurglites got three sprues for five models for less money, GW could have done the same for Terminators (!!!) of Nurgle (!!!) considering how relatively popular Nurgle CSN was in the last couple of editions. The Plagueburst Crawler feels pretty cramped with two sprues, too. And for PM, yeah, a ten man box with three sprues would've been nice.

The Devastators come with two each of several huuuuge guns, none of the PM gear needs as much space as those guns.


Personally, I will run squads of ten and maybe twenty, seven is fine for Chosen or Possessed where the sacred number thing is kinda cool and makes them extra special, but line infantry should come in strength.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That whooshing noise you're hearing is the sound of my point sailing waaaaaaaaaaay over your head.

The person I quoted made the "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" argument, which doesn't really answer the points that are being made, hence it not being a -relevant- argument. "No one's forcing you to buy it!!!" doesn't address the fact that it's a 7-man box for the price of 10 or that, more confusingly, there are people here defending that as a good thing.

 Raphael the Raven wrote:
Please put more thought into your posts next time you want to talk down to someone.

Backatcha big boy.

Right because your fail attempt to talk down to someone coming back to bite you is on me, not you. You're post didn't go over anyone's head nor was it as witty as you think it was. If you had taken issue with the phrase "only relevant" I'd actually be inclined to agree with you. Instead you completely missed the mark and said he didn't use the word relevant correctly, which he did.

The burden to accurately communicate your point is in you and while I understand what you're getting at, all you did was correct someone's English... incorrectly. The context of the argument has nothing to do with the definition of "relevant" or your attempt at correcting someone else for using it. If you can't grasp what's wrong with that post, I encourage you to look up the definition of relevant again, think about how it was used in that sentence and what the OP was trying to convey by using it, and come up with a more constructive way to disagree with said point.
Take a look at the way multiple people are replying to you and maybe reflect on that big boy .




On topic, since it seems like the plague marine pack will come with significantly more heads and arms then torsos and legs, I think some carefully planned casts of torsos and legs would be a good way to fix this without being obviously the same on the tabletop. I love the fact that the designers brought back all those different old school backpacks and am fortunate to have a few laying around. That'll give me a chance to try out these melee PM's everyone seems to like.


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That kits have pros and cons is understood by everyone. Vote with your wallet if you disagree with what is offered.

Great point! That's exactly what my first thought was when I learned what the box contained. While I'm off put by having less then what we are used to numbers wise, if the sprues really have that many extra fixin's I'll be much happier with the purchase. In the end I'm still going to probably get a single box which is like a partial vote for me. If it had a few more bodies in he box and PM were slightly more cost effective on the tabletop I would vote more.