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No, I thought I was getting WD for free, was wondering about those numbers from my account statement...

Obviously what people mean when they say "free rules in WD" is "free if you're buying WD anyway".

Obviously GW's assumption is everybody's buying WD.

Prices

Rule book £35 $60
Gangs of the Underhive £30 $50

So just under 50 quid together from a discounter. Not cheap certainly, but not unexpected given GW's typical hardback prices. I really hope we get some genuine, honest pre-release reviews(rather than shill'y "previews") because given the issues so far I kinda want to know in advance that they're not riddled with typos and misprints.

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Rule book £35 $60
Gangs of the Underhive £30 $50

Any ideas or signs of how much the slipcase version will be?

I’d imagine more likely regarding the Starter box is they would put the new £35 rule book in place of the one in there..

Or potentially even just leave the box having the older rulebook as in their eyes it was “99.9% still usable/valid” or whatever they said.


I’d say there won’t be a new starter box with year two gangs, as the new things coming from outlanders and beyond are more offshoot and unusual than base 6.
Though an expansion box with two new groups/gangs and some variant scenery (plastic style stuff maybe), Without the rulebook, I could see that.
(Like Rogue Trader for Kill Team did perhaps?)

They can't just put one book in there, you need both books to play. The rules and the gangs. Probably too valuable to put in the box.

They could include the new Rulebook and a sheet describing the skills and personal equipment on the fighter cards and an instruction to pick up the Gangs of the Underhive book if you wish to expand.

I'm kind of tempted by the slipcase one.

But then, I am a well known sucker for a limited edition.

Me too. It makes it less likely I'll forget to bring one or the other to the club.

I mean, you could just make a slipcase yourself with a printer and a few pennies worth of paper & cardstock.

Sometimes I "get" why people find limited editions appealing(even as I find the entire concept of using artificial scarcity to imbue objects with a sense of false exclusivity - and everything that whole "I have something you don't because money, neener neener" sentiment implies - vomit-inducing), but when it's stuff like "Oh yeah you get...err...a bookmark?" or slipcases etc, I just can't see the point.

You greatly overestimate my handicraft ability

The cheapest I can find that might be suitable is 9x A4 sheets of 2mm thick card, for £4.74 I'll need at least three sheets for a Necromunda slipcase. Then I'll need some good quality black paper to cover it with, and a couple of sheets of good gloss-finish paper to print the outer sides with. Easier to just buy the set from GW, as I'd be ordering the two books anyway.


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Actually, I might pick up some of that card - it'll be handy for printing additional tiles for Space Hulk and the like.

Nothing wrong with a snazzier but more expensive option that (in your opinion) makes your stuff look cooler,

and generally if I liked one of these LE deals and could afford it i'd probably go for it even if it was limited, it's much more about the cool thing I get rather than having something that others can't, especially something as ephemeral as a codex

(i'd have got the LE Genestealer cult one if I hadn't needed my cash for the new minis at the time)

I really hope we get digital versions, but I’m not holding my breath.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Nothing wrong with a snazzier but more expensive option that (in your opinion) makes your stuff look cooler,

and generally if I liked one of these LE deals and could afford it i'd probably go for it even if it was limited, it's much more about the cool thing I get rather than having something that others can't, especially something as ephemeral as a codex

(i'd have got the LE Genestealer cult one if I hadn't needed my cash for the new minis at the time)

I don't have a problem with collector editions, I have a problem with limited editions. Some people want the fancy hardback, some folk are happy with the paperback, cool each to their own, the problem arises when it stops being about offering choice and becomes about trying to play on snobbery and FOMO to drive extra sales. Which isn't to say that everyone who buys limited editions is a snob, just that limited editions are designed to appeal to snobby people since they can have not just a "better" version, but more importantly a "better" version that many other people can't have.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The cheapest I can find that might be suitable is 9x A4 sheets of 2mm thick card, for £4.74 I'll need at least three sheets for a Necromunda slipcase. Then I'll need some good quality black paper to cover it with, and a couple of sheets of good gloss-finish paper to print the outer sides with. Easier to just buy the set from GW, as I'd be ordering the two books anyway.


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Actually, I might pick up some of that card - it'll be handy for printing additional tiles for Space Hulk and the like.

I'd buy cheaper, thinner cardstock and laminate it together to the desired thickness(this often ends up cheaper, I suspect because the thinner stuff is what schools tend to buy in bulk and leftover overproduction gets shifted to arts & crafts brands), clad it in regular printer paper with whatever design you want, then seal that with a layer of non-yellowing sticky back plastic.For a slipcase, you'd be better buying large sheets and plotting out a pattern that's designed to fold up to give the final shape. Hell, if you're also going to clad the interior facing, you could get away with recycling cereal box cardboard for the structural part.

That's even more work! I'm not sure I've got anything that would work as a suitable press for laminating thinner card together like that.

I have a problem with special editions that cost double the original price for, what, a slipcase?

The slipcased set price hasn't been announced, has it? I've seen the prices for each book separately earlier in this thread, but not for the limited edition.

When this has been done previously, Horus Heresy book 3 came with a slipcase but also the two original army list books and an additional art book. Imperial Armour book 10 didn't charge anything, IIRC, of the slipcase for the two Badab War books.

 Yodhrin wrote:
So just under 50 quid together from a discounter. Not cheap certainly, but not unexpected given GW's typical hardback prices. I really hope we get some genuine, honest pre-release reviews(rather than shill'y "previews") because given the issues so far I kinda want to know in advance that they're not riddled with typos and misprints.

-Hi, today I'm gonna review the new awesome Necromunda rule book compilations!
-Wow, look at this artwork.
*ignores conflicting rules*
-All existing rules are included.
*ignores left out rules and rules that have changed*
-And new content for Delaque, great!
*ignores contradictions*
-All in all, looks like another descent book. Thanks for watching.


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
They could include the new Rulebook and a sheet describing the skills and personal equipment on the fighter cards and an instruction to pick up the Gangs of the Underhive book if you wish to expand.

Imagine if they did that from the start!

They pretty much did.

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Rule book £35 $60
Gangs of the Underhive £30 $50

Update on this the dollar prices might be Canadian in which case the GBP price is £30 and £25 respectively.

BoLS is the original source need to wait for another source like Faeit who back up the prices with price list images. They have the Delaque gang price correct at $40 but that was already known but the Battleforces appear to be Canadian prices (or GW bumped the price)

 Yodhrin wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Nothing wrong with a snazzier but more expensive option that (in your opinion) makes your stuff look cooler,

and generally if I liked one of these LE deals and could afford it i'd probably go for it even if it was limited, it's much more about the cool thing I get rather than having something that others can't, especially something as ephemeral as a codex

(i'd have got the LE Genestealer cult one if I hadn't needed my cash for the new minis at the time)

I don't have a problem with collector editions, I have a problem with limited editions. Some people want the fancy hardback, some folk are happy with the paperback, cool each to their own, the problem arises when it stops being about offering choice and becomes about trying to play on snobbery and FOMO to drive extra sales. Which isn't to say that everyone who buys limited editions is a snob, just that limited editions are designed to appeal to snobby people since they can have not just a "better" version, but more importantly a "better" version that many other people can't have.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The cheapest I can find that might be suitable is 9x A4 sheets of 2mm thick card, for £4.74 I'll need at least three sheets for a Necromunda slipcase. Then I'll need some good quality black paper to cover it with, and a couple of sheets of good gloss-finish paper to print the outer sides with. Easier to just buy the set from GW, as I'd be ordering the two books anyway.


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Actually, I might pick up some of that card - it'll be handy for printing additional tiles for Space Hulk and the like.

I'd buy cheaper, thinner cardstock and laminate it together to the desired thickness(this often ends up cheaper, I suspect because the thinner stuff is what schools tend to buy in bulk and leftover overproduction gets shifted to arts & crafts brands), clad it in regular printer paper with whatever design you want, then seal that with a layer of non-yellowing sticky back plastic.For a slipcase, you'd be better buying large sheets and plotting out a pattern that's designed to fold up to give the final shape. Hell, if you're also going to clad the interior facing, you could get away with recycling cereal box cardboard for the structural part.

I've bought a fair number of limited editions models, but purely cos I want to have a complete collection of models, and feel pissed off when I miss one. So I think snobbery is a reason people get LE stuff, but another reason is that they are a bloody limited aspect of a collection- if you want the collection, you've got to get your mitts on the LE.

Of course, models are harder to replicate than cardstock.

Baxx wrote:
They can't just put one book in there, you need both books to play. The rules and the gangs. Probably too valuable to put in the box.

As already covered now, late to reply, yeah I thought maybe a card sheet for each gang. Then a ‘buy the gang book to expand your gang and see others’

 Haighus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Nothing wrong with a snazzier but more expensive option that (in your opinion) makes your stuff look cooler,

and generally if I liked one of these LE deals and could afford it i'd probably go for it even if it was limited, it's much more about the cool thing I get rather than having something that others can't, especially something as ephemeral as a codex

(i'd have got the LE Genestealer cult one if I hadn't needed my cash for the new minis at the time)

I don't have a problem with collector editions, I have a problem with limited editions. Some people want the fancy hardback, some folk are happy with the paperback, cool each to their own, the problem arises when it stops being about offering choice and becomes about trying to play on snobbery and FOMO to drive extra sales. Which isn't to say that everyone who buys limited editions is a snob, just that limited editions are designed to appeal to snobby people since they can have not just a "better" version, but more importantly a "better" version that many other people can't have.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The cheapest I can find that might be suitable is 9x A4 sheets of 2mm thick card, for £4.74 I'll need at least three sheets for a Necromunda slipcase. Then I'll need some good quality black paper to cover it with, and a couple of sheets of good gloss-finish paper to print the outer sides with. Easier to just buy the set from GW, as I'd be ordering the two books anyway.


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Actually, I might pick up some of that card - it'll be handy for printing additional tiles for Space Hulk and the like.

I'd buy cheaper, thinner cardstock and laminate it together to the desired thickness(this often ends up cheaper, I suspect because the thinner stuff is what schools tend to buy in bulk and leftover overproduction gets shifted to arts & crafts brands), clad it in regular printer paper with whatever design you want, then seal that with a layer of non-yellowing sticky back plastic.For a slipcase, you'd be better buying large sheets and plotting out a pattern that's designed to fold up to give the final shape. Hell, if you're also going to clad the interior facing, you could get away with recycling cereal box cardboard for the structural part.

I've bought a fair number of limited editions models, but purely cos I want to have a complete collection of models, and feel pissed off when I miss one. So I think snobbery is a reason people get LE stuff, but another reason is that they are a bloody limited aspect of a collection- if you want the collection, you've got to get your mitts on the LE.

Of course, models are harder to replicate than cardstock.

Well yes, so you've correctly identified the reason I don't like limited editions, because not everyone can complete the collection when parts of it are limited availability. By the time the snobs and the folk with enough disposable cash on hand and the ebay scalperscum have had their turn, there's rarely any left for the plebs who have to work to a budget, and if they just dropped the artificial scarcity nonsense the only people losing out are the snobs and the scalperscum, so everybody wins.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Well yes, so you've correctly identified the reason I don't like limited editions, because not everyone can complete the collection when parts of it are limited availability. By the time the snobs and the folk with enough disposable cash on hand and the ebay scalperscum have had their turn, there's rarely any left for the plebs who have to work to a budget, and if they just dropped the artificial scarcity nonsense the only people losing out are the snobs and the scalperscum, so everybody wins.

Oh, yeah, I don't like them either! My hobby budget for the month has been snatched by a LE I didn't want to miss on more than one occasion, that has resulted in me delaying plans that I thought were safer to hold off on.

I'd be very happy if LEs stopped being a thing.

 DaveC wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Rule book £35 $60
Gangs of the Underhive £30 $50

Update on this the dollar prices might be Canadian in which case the GBP price is £30 and £25 respectively.

BoLS is the original source need to wait for another source like Faeit who back up the prices with price list images. They have the Delaque gang price correct at $40 but that was already known but the Battleforces appear to be Canadian prices (or GW bumped the price)

OK ignore my last post prices are now confirmed per my original post (£35 and £30). Still no word on the price for the slip case set.

Is it known if the slip case edition rule book is a hardback or not?

I am a fanboy and will probably buy the slipcase version.
Heck, I even bought the LE Genestealer cult one because the hazard stripes on it reminded me of Necromunda

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Is it known if the slip case edition rule book is a hardback or not?

Hardback