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That’s the rule book thing sorted.

But another strike against the value for me.

Reckon I’ll wait. I’m really only after the scenery, the rest is superfluous.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Got it.
And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

PS: I really appreciate the answers, folks. It's making me feel a bit more comfortable with the purchase of Dark Uprising as a 'standalone' starting point, and knowing I'd need more books later if I wanted to build out from there.

After a fashion. They were combined and changed and tweaked all gangs books published to appear in the Gangs of the Underhive book and the Rulebook. Additional books since then you can count as expansions in that they've added new campaign systems, gangs, bounty hunters and rules.

I suspect that to get to the bare minimum with the Dark Uprising box, I'd probably recommend the Gangs book to be able to play Goliath, Orlock, etc and then the rulebook to get the full campaign book. Though, that's on the assumption that the new box rules doesn't include the extended standard Domination campaign.

I'm figuring I'll have enough to figure out at the outset that grabbing the extra books is a "probably in 2020" thing.

Good to know though!

 Kanluwen wrote:

Got it.
And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

PS: I really appreciate the answers, folks. It's making me feel a bit more comfortable with the purchase of Dark Uprising as a 'standalone' starting point, and knowing I'd need more books later if I wanted to build out from there.

In essence, yes. In detail, it's a lot more complicated. The Gang War era (the first year, November 2017 to November 2018) had the following content:
● Rulebook (November 2017)
● Gang War 1(November 2017)
● Gor Half-Horn Bounty Hunter (FW November 2017)
● Gangs of Legends PDF (November 2017)
● Scenario: Claim the Spire (White Dwarf January 2018)
● Scenario: The Gauntlet (White Dwarf February 2018)
● Gang War 2 (February 2018)
● Hired Guns Mad Dog Mono and Grub Targeson (FW February 2018)
● Genestealer Cult (White Dwarf March 2018)
● FAQ nr. 1 (March 2018)
● Escher weapon list pdf (March 2018)
● Chaos Cult (White Dwarf April 2018)
● Goliath weapon list pdf (April 2018)
● Slate and Macula pdf (FW April 2018)
● Bounty Hunter ‘Venator’ gang (White Dwarf May 2018)
● Gang War 3 (May 2018)
● Gang War 4 (August 2018)
● Leader’s Accessories Pack (August 2018)
● Genestealer Cult v2 pdf (August 2018)
● Chaos Cult v2.1 pdf (September 2018)

After this load of stuff, they made N18 rules (2 books), which is a collection of "most" of the previous content. Some as-is, some modified, some ommited by mistake, some ommited on purpose. There are endless big and small changes! After the release of N18 books in December 2018, we had the following new content:

● N18 compilation books: Rules & Gangs (December 2018)
● FAQ nr. 2 (December 2018)
● Badzone Delta-7 v.2 pdf (January 2019)
● Ambull & Borewyrm Infestation (Web, February 2019)
● Monster Hunt v2 (pdf, February 2019)
● Perpetual Campaign (White Dwarf, May 2019)
● The Book of Peril (June 2019)
● Underdog cards (August 2019)
● Dramatis Personae cards (August 2019)
● The Book of Judgement (August 2019)
● Precinct Mini Campaign (White Dwarf, October 2019)

Now (November 2019), we're getting new books. It should be impossible for GW to give out new books that doesn't change or update rules in the process. In short time, we will know.

Chikout wrote:
The problem with this box is simply the way zone Mortalis terrain is made. For each section you need four sides and a roof. So to get the same amount of coverage as the Warcry terrain which was mainly single piece wall sections, you need 5 times as much terrain.

I keep looking at all those sprues and thinking that making "thin" walls (pieces glued back to back instead of making "boxes") might generate a lot more terrain. It won't fit the ZM boards, but if you don't have an interest in using the very expensive ZM boards and just want to add them to your table, ZM fit does not matter.

T

Also, if you make enclosed structure with some sort of a roof, you need only one sided wall pieces.

timd wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The problem with this box is simply the way zone Mortalis terrain is made. For each section you need four sides and a roof. So to get the same amount of coverage as the Warcry terrain which was mainly single piece wall sections, you need 5 times as much terrain.

I keep looking at all those sprues and thinking that making "thin" walls (pieces glued back to back instead of making "boxes") might generate a lot more terrain. It won't fit the ZM boards, but if you don't have an interest in using the very expensive ZM boards and just want to add them to your table, ZM fit does not matter.

T

ZM fit matters to all of us Necro players who already got the paper tiles. If they gonna make necromunda walls, they better fit the necromunda tiles!


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 zedmeister wrote:
Subjugator rules up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/06/join-the-subjugatorsgw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-1/

It's always funny seeing they added "Grenade" trait to the Grenade Launcher's stun grenade. How is that supposed to work?!?

 Kanluwen wrote:

And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

First, it was collected into TWO books, the Rulebook ($60) and the Gangs of the Underhive book ($50), with a few trivial things left in the Gang Wars books, like the Turf War campaign, which was replaced in the $60 rulebook with the Dominion campaign from Gang War 4(?). Basically, there's no compelling reason to track down the Gang War books at this point.

I am not sure if you need the Gangs of the Underhive book if you don't play one of the six gangs contained within it, but I think it has the trading post and equipment lists. Also, if you played Enforcers, you'd probably need the Rulebook, Gangs, and then the Book of Judgment. If you play the Corpsegrinder Cult, you'll probably need the Book of Ruin in addition to the two core books.

Dark Uprising isn't out yet, so who knows what it is like, but it could potentially contain all the things you need to play Enforcers and CGC by reprinting the selected sections from their respective books, hopefully meaning you will not need the other books unless you want something specific to them (like a particular campaign or to play one of the six original gangs). We'll see, I guess.

I am a little less enthused now I've been reminded about what a spread-out mess the rules are! Still haven't played New Necromunda but... perhaps I never will. Might wait for N3, in about ten years.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I am a little less enthused now I've been reminded about what a spread-out mess the rules are! Still haven't played New Necromunda but... perhaps I never will. Might wait for N3, in about ten years.

I think Baxx has done more to dissuade people from playing Necromunda than a $290 price tag ever will...

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I am a little less enthused now I've been reminded about what a spread-out mess the rules are! Still haven't played New Necromunda but... perhaps I never will. Might wait for N3, in about ten years.

I think Baxx has done more to dissuade people from playing Necromunda than a $290 price tag ever will...

Honestly, that would be more GW's policies than Baxx.

Baxx wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Got it.
And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

PS: I really appreciate the answers, folks. It's making me feel a bit more comfortable with the purchase of Dark Uprising as a 'standalone' starting point, and knowing I'd need more books later if I wanted to build out from there.

Spoiler:

In essence, yes. In detail, it's a lot more complicated. The Gang War era (the first year, November 2017 to November 2018) had the following content:
● Rulebook (November 2017)
● Gang War 1(November 2017)
● Gor Half-Horn Bounty Hunter (FW November 2017)
● Gangs of Legends PDF (November 2017)
● Scenario: Claim the Spire (White Dwarf January 2018)
● Scenario: The Gauntlet (White Dwarf February 2018)
● Gang War 2 (February 2018)
● Hired Guns Mad Dog Mono and Grub Targeson (FW February 2018)
● Genestealer Cult (White Dwarf March 2018)
● FAQ nr. 1 (March 2018)
● Escher weapon list pdf (March 2018)
● Chaos Cult (White Dwarf April 2018)
● Goliath weapon list pdf (April 2018)
● Slate and Macula pdf (FW April 2018)
● Bounty Hunter ‘Venator’ gang (White Dwarf May 2018)
● Gang War 3 (May 2018)
● Gang War 4 (August 2018)
● Leader’s Accessories Pack (August 2018)
● Genestealer Cult v2 pdf (August 2018)
● Chaos Cult v2.1 pdf (September 2018)

After this load of stuff, they made N18 rules (2 books), which is a collection of "most" of the previous content. Some as-is, some modified, some ommited by mistake, some ommited on purpose. There are endless big and small changes! After the release of N18 books in December 2018, we had the following new content:

● N18 compilation books: Rules & Gangs (December 2018)
● FAQ nr. 2 (December 2018)
● Badzone Delta-7 v.2 pdf (January 2019)
● Ambull & Borewyrm Infestation (Web, February 2019)
● Monster Hunt v2 (pdf, February 2019)
● Perpetual Campaign (White Dwarf, May 2019)
● The Book of Peril (June 2019)
● Underdog cards (August 2019)
● Dramatis Personae cards (August 2019)
● The Book of Judgement (August 2019)
● Precinct Mini Campaign (White Dwarf, October 2019)

Now (November 2019), we're getting new books. It should be impossible for GW to give out new books that doesn't change or update rules in the process. In short time, we will know.

Let us turn that into a TL/DR:
Today you "need":
1 - The in in-print Rulebook: Rules and Campain system
2 - The Gangs of the Underhive: For all the Gangs and for the Trading-Post.
3 - Optionally: If you're not playing one of the Gangs, then you need the book your crews rules are in. (ie this is Palanite Enforcers, Genesteal Cult, Chaos Cult, Guilds, Mercenaries, etc)

Everything else just adds flavour and isn't required.

Note, all of these are also available digitally from warhammer digital, at a varying savings over the print versions.


-frank

230 euros, for those in EU... pretty damn expensive.

 Starfarer wrote:

Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go

At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.

Have an exalt! I have supported Newcromunda from the outset because it’s the kind of thing I want to see from Gdubs. But this is just silly. A bridge too far for me.

Paraphrasing Albertorius, this is my new mantra when it comes to GW: "I can afford it, I just can't justify it".

$480 AUS or 257 GBP equivalent.
No thanks...

As someone who has bought every release except dice packs, this is a huge disappointment.

But I don't need the terrain, I have plenty.
The gangs of ruin book is separate and has the full campaign details with extra gangs as opposed to the box set book, and the gangs will be released in next few months.

Just a big cash saving by not buying it.

I do want that token sheet though...

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

And Gang War got individual volumes collected into the $60 rulebook they sell now, right?

First, it was collected into TWO books, the Rulebook ($60) and the Gangs of the Underhive book ($50), with a few trivial things left in the Gang Wars books, like the Turf War campaign, which was replaced in the $60 rulebook with the Dominion campaign from Gang War 4(?). Basically, there's no compelling reason to track down the Gang War books at this point.

I am not sure if you need the Gangs of the Underhive book if you don't play one of the six gangs contained within it, but I think it has the trading post and equipment lists. Also, if you played Enforcers, you'd probably need the Rulebook, Gangs, and then the Book of Judgment. If you play the Corpsegrinder Cult, you'll probably need the Book of Ruin in addition to the two core books.
....

Weapons Traits have been helpfully placed only the Gangs book.
So other than tracking that info down somewhere else, you can't play even a one-off without the Gangs book.

We had calculated up that playing Enforcers (before Uprising) would cost over $200 for a player who had no Necromunda stuff.
$47 for Judgement book; $42 for 10 models; $15 dice; $110 for the hard cover books. And you have to track down/make tokens and templates.

But if they enforcer player wants Subjugators... well... get's a bit more expensive.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
$480 AUS or 257 GBP equivalent.
No thanks...

You lucky Australians. It's the equivalent of £299 here in Japan.

Dread Master wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go

At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.

Have an exalt! I have supported Newcromunda from the outset because it’s the kind of thing I want to see from Gdubs. But this is just silly. A bridge too far for me.

exalting your exalt... yeah, I am going have to call it a no on this one too.
Xmas is coming and I know what is good for me -
not dropping that much on plastic toys when my wife would like something shinier...

 jeff white wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

Voss wrote:


I suspect $150 would have gotten people quite excited.
As we've seen, doubling again just reasonably makes people go

At $150 I would have bought 3 to 4 sets. At $290 I'm buying none. For me it isn't a matter of affordability, it's a matter of principle. The pricing is veering into games console territory as someone earlier mentioned. At that price point the value proposition just isn't there.

Additionally, this puts me off from wanting to buy any GW products going forward. For decades I've become acclimated to the gradual price increases. Put a frog in water and slowly get it to boil and they don't notice. Throw them in a boiling pot... They're gonna feel the burn. GW just threw us in the boiling pot and I'm not liking the burn.

After 25 years of supporting GW, I think I may have reached my limit.

Have an exalt! I have supported Newcromunda from the outset because it’s the kind of thing I want to see from Gdubs. But this is just silly. A bridge too far for me.

exalting your exalt... yeah, I am going have to call it a no on this one too.
Xmas is coming and I know what is good for me -
not dropping that much on plastic toys when my wife would like something shinier...

You sir, are obviously a man of discretion AND discernment.... As the saying goes, “ happy wife, happy life”!

 CragHack wrote:
230 euros, for those in EU... pretty damn expensive.

Yikes.

Now I don't feel bad anymore about buying an Enforcer squad recently to convert "instead of waiting until I get the big box".

I won't get this at ~200€ with discount, I won't get SoBs, I won't get any of the rather boring battleboxes man, GW's new prices are really saving me money Maybe the Necro box will be marked down a couple of months down the line in my FLGS, they reduced Escher and Goliath gangs quite nicely in price and I got Kharn and other stuff at 50% off before.

 Binabik15 wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
230 euros, for those in EU... pretty damn expensive.

Yikes.

Now I don't feel bad anymore about buying an Enforcer squad recently to convert "instead of waiting until I get the big box".

I won't get this at ~200€ with discount, I won't get SoBs, I won't get any of the rather boring battleboxes man, GW's new prices are really saving me money Maybe the Necro box will be marked down a couple of months down the line in my FLGS, they reduced Escher and Goliath gangs quite nicely in price and I got Kharn and other stuff at 50% off before.

The new box prices have done wonder for my wallet. I can afford living again.

 CragHack wrote:
230 euros, for those in EU... pretty damn expensive.

Wow, just... no.

That list of Necromunda rule books?

WTF?!?

I was thinking about starting this game, but now I don't have a clue where to start, what to get or if I should even bother!

The price of this new box is having me lean towards "no"...

 Alpharius wrote:
That list of Necromunda rule books?

WTF?!?

I was thinking about starting this game, but now I don't have a clue where to start, what to get or if I should even bother!

The price of this new box is having me lean towards "no"...

You only need

N18 compilation books: Rules & Gangs (December 2018)

And
The Book of Peril (June 2019)
The Book of Judgement (August 2019)

If you want play with no core gangs, or have additional material.


Also in necromunda discord you have all the rules, with all the extra material, better explained in one PDF.

 Alpharius wrote:
That list of Necromunda rule books?

WTF?!?

I was thinking about starting this game, but now I don't have a clue where to start, what to get or if I should even bother!

The price of this new box is having me lean towards "no"...

Much as I love the game (or rather, the idea of the game, I think), I'd say that's the sensible approach.


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 Alpharius wrote:
That list of Necromunda rule books?

WTF?!?

I was thinking about starting this game, but now I don't have a clue where to start, what to get or if I should even bother!

The price of this new box is having me lean towards "no"...

Dude.

You need 2 books, to start. Rulebook and Gangs of Necromunda. That's all.

Book of Peril and Book of Judgement add elements to the game, or give you different options.

That absurd list of books is out of date. Also:

● FAQ nr. 2 (December 2018) - Free
● Badzone Delta-7 v.2 pdf (January 2019) - Free
● Ambull & Borewyrm Infestation (Web, February 2019) - Free
● Monster Hunt v2 (pdf, February 2019) - Free
● Perpetual Campaign (White Dwarf, May 2019) - Optional, never used
● The Book of Peril (June 2019) - Fun but optional
● Underdog cards (August 2019) - LOL Sold out in like 5 minutes, good luck getting these legitimately
● Dramatis Personae cards (August 2019) - LOL, Sold out. You can literally just phtotocopy them from the books/model insert
● The Book of Judgement (August 2019) - Introduces Enforcers and guilders and new campaign type, cool but optional.
● Precinct Mini Campaign (White Dwarf, October 2019) - Optional, if I wouldn't get into trouble I'd give it to you here

I am considering the box at a 20% discount as the enforcers are cool models and the zone mortalis stuff is going to be cheaper in this box than on it's own.

That being said, the amount of books in addition to the core book is unbelievable even if they're optional. I thought 40k was bad for rules bloat.

Baxx list is a history of anything rule related to Necromunda more than "list of books". Duplicate entry like GSC and Chaos Cult gang, were updated and released for free in the later version, making the first one obsolete.

GW release a million of those tactic cards, but those aren't exactly crucial to the game, and you can always look at the card rule around the internet. This is the same for Bloodbowl. But I don't recall someone make a complete list for those in BB (or even using them in a BB match)