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As in, Hired Guns.


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Waaaaaait a minute. Did he just confirm that Squats were never eaten and are technically still around and fine?

Seems like it

Two things I don't like

Doc. It's already fairly rare to have a ganger killed, I fear that with them, fights will turn into pillow wars.

Goliath being kicked out because he was clever!!! Hope there is a better reason than that, cause this is lame. Since when did the goliath turned into Orks?

well it's clear why a bounty hunter might be worth taking now


You can hire them just before the game after you know the enemy gang.
They can have everything (skills/weapons ) you want and you can design them to be the nemesis of the opposing gang (countering enemy skills/setup).

So squats are actually canon again? Nifty.

I also remember that goliaths in at least some of the lore did look down upon those who preferred cunning to strength, so it isn't entirely new to me.

I honestly don't recall this bit of lore in the old edition. But there's a difference between prefering Strenght to cunnningness, and exiling someone only cause he's cunning . As I said, there is probably more to it than that (maybe he use treachery instead of strenght of arms), so I'll wait for the whole story.

 endtransmission wrote:
Waaaaaait a minute. Did he just confirm that Squats were never eaten and are technically still around and fine?

I mean, that's not too different from what's been said before where it was only the "homeworld" of the Squats that got eaten and there still being enclaves or whatever of the little blighters around.

Kanluwen wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:
Waaaaaait a minute. Did he just confirm that Squats were never eaten and are technically still around and fine?

I mean, that's not too different from what's been said before where it was only the "homeworld" of the Squats that got eaten and there still being enclaves or whatever of the little blighters around.

Yeah, squats have been mentioned in a couple of main rulebooks for 40k now, as an abhuman strain. I think they have basically just been toned down massively, from a semi-independent vassal state of the IoM into more typical abhumans, albeit valuable ones.

streetsamurai wrote:Seems like it

Two things I don't like

Doc. It's already fairly rare to have a ganger killed, I fear that with them, fights will turn into pillow wars.

Goliath being kicked out because he was clever!!! Hope there is a better reason than that, cause this is lame. Since when did the goliath turned into Orks?

I suspect it wasn't that he was clever, but that he was the wrong person to be clever. He was likely some rebellious slave-worker, so got shoved into being a ganger, where he turned out to be too smart for his station. Therefore exiled. Basically, higher-ups often don't like smart underlings, so sideline them (especially if the underling is threatening the supervisor's own position). This happens plenty in real life, does not seem unplausible for Necromunda.

See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

I am not really bothered, so long as they are returned in a way that works better than the original, with either more identity, or less independence form the IoM. I'd also like Demiurgs too, cos I like aliens. More targets for the Ordo Xenos...

Having said that, Squats were squatted before I got into 40k, so my point of view may be more nonchalant than those who lost their army!

 Haighus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

I am not really bothered, so long as they are returned in a way that works better than the original, with either more identity, or less independence form the IoM. I'd also like Demiurgs too, cos I like aliens. More targets for the Ordo Xenos...

Having said that, Squats were squatted before I got into 40k, so my point of view may be more nonchalant than those who lost their army!

Oh I'm not so much bothered by the Squats' return(I'm not fond of them, but they're as ignorable as any of the other things about 41K I'm not fond of), it's that comments like that will be used by a certain kind of forumite to browbeat people who are bothered or who preferred the "eaten" fluff with this "that thing you believe was just a stupid meme and never actually happened" sentiment that's been going around lately, but in this case it categorically was not a meme or a misconception or anything of the sort.

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

What codex or novel described the squats being wiped out by Tyranids?

Yeah I can't think of a single piece of fluff that ever mentioned the Squats being eaten.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

I am not really bothered, so long as they are returned in a way that works better than the original, with either more identity, or less independence form the IoM. I'd also like Demiurgs too, cos I like aliens. More targets for the Ordo Xenos...

Having said that, Squats were squatted before I got into 40k, so my point of view may be more nonchalant than those who lost their army!

Oh I'm not so much bothered by the Squats' return(I'm not fond of them, but they're as ignorable as any of the other things about 41K I'm not fond of), it's that comments like that will be used by a certain kind of forumite to browbeat people who are bothered or who preferred the "eaten" fluff with this "that thing you believe was just a stupid meme and never actually happened" sentiment that's been going around lately, but in this case it categorically was not a meme or a misconception or anything of the sort.

Do people really get upset when someone they'll never meet says their made up stuff isn't as real as someone else's made up stuff? The fate of the Squats was just Jervis getting fed up with people banging on with the same tedious question all the time. The Squat bounty hunter is there because Andy Hoare is an Oldhammer fan, that's all.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I can't think of a single piece of fluff that ever mentioned the Squats being eaten.

It was referred to in the additional material added to the beginning and end of the Black Library editions of Ian Watson's Inquisitor (republished as Draco). However, by this time those novels were already in contradiction with the 2000s-era background - Grymm the Squat had been retconned into Grill the techpriest in the Warped Stars short sstory at that point - so I wouldn't like to say that adds any sort of "officialness" to the idea.

So do we think brats will be a full gang or add ons ? Im hopeing for a full gang of puffy clothed goodness !

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
well it's clear why a bounty hunter might be worth taking now


You can hire them just before the game after you know the enemy gang.
They can have everything (skills/weapons ) you want and you can design them to be the nemesis of the opposing gang (countering enemy skills/setup).

You recruit a BH the same way you recruit any Hired Guns. During the pre-battle sequence step 1 : Buy Advancement and recruit Hired gun, before a scenario and crew is chosen. Page 20 Gang War 1.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
See, I wish they would just admit that they changed their minds in order to flog Squats for nostalgiabucks, rather than lying about the whole Tyranids thing just being a joke no honest guv haha. You can look up Jervis' comments on the matter on the internet archive, and the "eaten by 'nids" thing being the studio's view on the their fate is presented as a matter of fact not a silly wee in-joke.

What codex or novel described the squats being wiped out by Tyranids?

Like AndrewGPaul said there wasn't much. The timeline IIRC was somthing like:

1st edition & Epic - Squats are a faction on par with Eldar, Orks and Imperium
2nd edition - Squats get a starter army list, a promise of a codex and new models but they never happen. Old squats go OOP.
3rd edition - Squats disappear without a mention.

Squats are regularly mocked in interviews.

Eventually Squats got a few specialist game rules for Necromunda and Epic, and Jarvis Johnson did an article saying most Squats were eaten by nids/died due to low birthrate/assimilated into the Imperium and suggested playing your old squats as Orks or IG.

Ian Watson's old short story Warped Stars is edited to change Squat Grimm into Techpriest Grill.

Ian Watson's novel Inquisitor is reprinted with an added note that it is full of lies and that the Tyranids put an end to the Squats long ago.

6th edition? - Squats are mentioned in an appendix.

Today - Squats return with one model for Necromunda which puts us about where we were in 2002 no?

 BrookM wrote:
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Totally getting a Vault-Tec/Fallout vibe from that yellow and blue handshake.

Anyone else want to discuss it for a page and a half or something?

Andy H was interesting as usual. Surprising lack of comment about the awkward SoB moment at the end!

More Squat miniatures seem nailed on for bounty hunter use (and a 40k return a matter of when, not if)

Would someone with the Gang Wars 2 book mind posting the pictures for the trading post? Can't find any pictures of it anywhere.

Vorian wrote:
Surprising lack of comment about the awkward SoB moment at the end!

What was that?

They were making a joke about page 5 and how they were running out of stuff that could follow Squats.

Andy: Space slann is where we're going to have to take it.
Ceri: Or plastic sisters!
Andy: (pulls face and whispers) I don't think you're meant to say that
Ceri: (whispering back)Iit's fine. Then moved on to joke about the clock

Looking over the Orlock pre-order stuff and it does not look like they have the pre printed fighter cards like the gangs that came with the boxed game.

I was hoping the tactics cards would include those for more accessibility for new players and also for fast pick up games.

Moosey2Juicy wrote:
Looking over the Orlock pre-order stuff and it does not look like they have the pre printed fighter cards like the gangs that came with the boxed game.

I was hoping the tactics cards would include those for more accessibility for new players and also for fast pick up games.

He said there was going to be a PDF which was a premade gang similar to the ones you got in the boxed game - already in the hands of the community team and just waiting for them to release it

Characters card have to be similar so you can shuffle them and form a deck of cards.

Or else you have to write everyone name on paper and pick them in random selection.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Seems like it

Two things I don't like

Doc. It's already fairly rare to have a ganger killed, I fear that with them, fights will turn into pillow wars.

Goliath being kicked out because he was clever!!! Hope there is a better reason than that, cause this is lame. Since when did the goliath turned into Orks?

Everyone keeps telling me its hard to lose people, but im now on my 3rd escher gang in 12 games

1st gang lasted 8 rounds before having 1 champ 1 juve killed in one match, 2 gangers dying in next and I was out of money to afford their doctor bills, boss killed in the match following
2nd gang lasted 4 had 1 champ insta gibbed, 1 ganger insta gibbed and 2 gangers needing doctor trip in 1 turn so couldn't even bottle out.

If you have no money and are constantly losing champs so cant make money out of action becomes a 1/6 chance really of dying. My new tactic it seems is going to just be have an unarmed ganger just jump of building every game and retreat for about 6 games to catch up.
Dunno if we are playing rules too harshly though, from way we read it if you have someone get the 66 result and die, and your team bottles out you lose that persons gear, and my friends have a habit of insta gibbing my 220 point champs.

Chopstick wrote:
Characters card have to be similar so you can shuffle them and form a deck of cards.

Or else you have to write everyone name on paper and pick them in random selection.

But there are blank cards you can just transfer info to from the PDF aren't there?

Vorian wrote:
They were making a joke about page 5 and how they were running out of stuff that could follow Squats.

Andy: Space slann is where we're going to have to take it.
Ceri: Or plastic sisters!
Andy: (pulls face and whispers) I don't think you're meant to say that
Ceri: (whispering back)Iit's fine. Then moved on to joke about the clock

SPACE SLANN CONFIRMED!

Space Slann are something of a joke of Andy, he features them a lot on his personal blog.

 BrookM wrote:
Space Slann are something of a joke of Andy, he features them a lot on his personal blog.

Space Slann were an actual thing in the Rogue Trader days. Stats, models and all.
Seems like a bit more mockery of Squats/Sisters players by being on the nose about one upping them with a more obscure cut faction.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Ian Watson's old short story Warped Stars is edited to change Squat Grimm into Techpriest Grill.

What a weird thing to change. In the original print of that (or Inquisitor) he's openly contemptuous of the Techpriest attitude toward technology and just bangs the engine he's working on open and fixes it like a sane person. Given how incompatible large parts of Watson's books are with 40k retcons and development, I don't know why they'd bother.