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**Eldarsif**

As tired I am of seeing more Imperial stuff(that is not Sisters) I do wonder if this is just a Custodes release and not something larger.

Could very well be that we get something similar to Gathering Storm along with model releases related to that. I mean, didn't Gathering Storm start its hype train around the same time last year?

Because if this is just Custodes and GW makes it appear like the second coming of the Emperor then it must be a rather lage Custodes release.

...or they are releasing a new part of the story along with new models and rules that could be from several different armies.

I guess we'll see later today.

**Adeptus Doritos**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.

But some folks will mewl and whine no matter what it is. You could release literally every Xenos army up front, and do the Space Marines dead last and people would still whine about Space Marines.

**Chikout**

The latest I had heard was that the custodes sold surprisingly well. There is definitely demand for an expanded release.

**Gamgee**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Killermonkey wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
How boring, predictable and utterly GW. I'm sick of power armour releases. I'm sick of nurgle (pun intended). It's time for some new xenos releases now.

I hope this isn't it or GW have massively misjudged what constitutes a "HUGE reveal".

It is a pretty big reveal. Have you seen any of the comment threads on anything custodes related? It’s literally 50% if the comments asking for the faction to be moved into 40k. If they actual make it into a full fledged faction then that will be answering a pretty large request.

I'm sure if you go on custodes related threads you will find that people want to play them in all the games. Not really surprising. It's a big reveal for those people who play, and are interested in, custodes.

From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far. If the custodes box is to believed as the reveal they are intending tomorrow I suspect it will backfire impressively. I for one would hope for something more interesting than "sparkly marines". As people have stated is there even a want for them? We have good marines, bad marines, new marines, psychic marines, viking marines, vampire marines, mysterious marines, infected marines and now gold sparkly super marines? There's only do many marines the market needs and I'd say we're already saturated.

Gamgee acceptable marines ie deathwatch.

**JSG**

BroodSpawn wrote:
I love how this forum jumps to assumptions based on a picture of a box. Like the news of a big announcement was under 12hrs ago, a pic of a custodes box appears after it and suddenly no hype just pure disappointment?

It's not gonna be just a Custodes release. That wouldn't make sense given the 'big announcement' they hinted.

Custodes aren't big news? Since when? People have been gagging for minis of them for like 15 years. This will be the first time they are fielded as a proper army in 40k. GW is totally right in claiming this is big.

**Gamgee**

Eh just more power armored guys to me. Kind of lame after primaris and deathguard now custodes its an endless tide of marines. Also I personally dislike gold and think it looks gaudy and is not my style so that isn't helping my opinion on these guys.

**Carlovonsexron**

There is a demand for them. I have little to bi desire for any of the marines, but the Custodes in both lore and aesthetic are really interesting for me.

The more I look at the leaked image the more excited I get for them.

But I also understand the frustration, as its like another stormcast release in age of sigmar- mostly unneeded and widely unwelcome.

But still I'm thrilled for the Custodes. Ive been long predicting that they would get a wider release.

**Galas**

Chikout wrote:
The latest I had heard was that the custodes sold surprisingly well. There is definitely demand for an expanded release.

Beautifull models, that cost many points ingame so you don't need a [MOD EDIT - No expletive filter workarounds please - Alpharius] ton of them to play, that are overly OP in HH, and that are alongside the Emperor himsellf and Primarchs one of the "Break glass in case of bankruptcy" of GW. I'm not surprised they sell well.

I would have prefer Xenos, and I'm still not discargind them until tomorrow. But for this same reason I didn't hyped myself that much. But to be honest I have spend all my hobby income for the next 4-5 months this christmas allready so maybe thats why I don't really care

**BlaxicanX**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.

People probably thought that before Primaris marines were introduced. lol

Don't forget duder. We need individual lines for each traitor legion too!

**Gamgee**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.
People probably thought that before Primaris marines were introduced. lol

This. Every time a new space marine variant comes out its always the last one until something new comes along. Lies. All lies. They will never end. The only thing we can do is stem the tide.

**Galas**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.
People probably thought that before Primaris marines were introduced. lol

They thought that because before Primaris Marines we had a ton of non-marine releases like Adeptus Mechanicus, Harlequins and Genestealer Cults in 7th edition and Nurgle Daemons in 8th.
Yeah, theres always some form of power armour between this kind of releases (Or one could say, theres always some form of strange faction between power armour releases). What a surprise. Thats older than GW insane prices.

**Darsath**

JSG wrote:
BroodSpawn wrote:
I love how this forum jumps to assumptions based on a picture of a box. Like the news of a big announcement was under 12hrs ago, a pic of a custodes box appears after it and suddenly no hype just pure disappointment?

It's not gonna be just a Custodes release. That wouldn't make sense given the 'big announcement' they hinted.

Custodes aren't big news? Since when? People have been gagging for minis of them for like 15 years. This will be the first time they are fielded as a proper army in 40k. GW is totally right in claiming this is big.

Big money at the very least. There will be many people who will buy these new miniatures. Let's hope there's more to this than just pretty models. Maybe an advance in lore, with something a bit more compelling.

**An Actual Englishman**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.

But some folks will mewl and whine no matter what it is. You could release literally every Xenos army up front, and do the Space Marines dead last and people would still whine about Space Marines.

Yes, if GW release only space marine codexes the only thing left to release is xenos codexes.

I disagree with your last statement, if space marines weren't released first or second codex there would be an uproar. We would drown in salt.

The problem that GW has is that it hasn't split its releases well at all. It's been all imperium and chaos thus far in terms of new models. It's been the vast majority of imperium for codexes and a little more chaos than xenos. Xenos players are right to complain when all we have had since 8th released is 2 codexes. Clearly the focus of GW is elsewhere.

**Gamgee**

Also the Tau release was much fresher back then in 2015. Yes its been over two years since that update.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Anecdotal, but for all the people I see bellowing about Xenos armies... I can sit here and tell you that since their release in the various cities I've been to, the 'New Xenos' Army Genestealer Cults? I've seen ONE person playing them.

And AdMech isn't much better, even though it's also 'not Space Marines'.

It's almost as if Space Marines sell.

**Gamgee**

We have two genstealer cult players here. Way more marines and chaos but they represent.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Gamgee wrote:
We have two genstealer cult players here.

We have one guy with a small force, and he's the only person I've seen playing them since release. I'm pretty sure most of it was from the Deathwatch Overkill box. He plays them very infrequently.

Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Eldar, and Chaos are the big sellers.

Keep in mind, over the last few years I've lived in 2 major cities and traveled/worked in about four or five more.

**Gamgee**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
We have two genstealer cult players here.

We have one guy with a small force, and he's the only person I've seen playing them since release. I'm pretty sure most of it was from the Deathwatch Overkill box. He plays them very infrequently.

Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Eldar, and Chaos are the big sellers.

Well yeah what do you expect. They are the oldest armies and the most popular ad entrenched in the lore. Heck I have a Deathwatch army and at one point was considering IG. It's just that there is too much of a good thing and you need a break sometimes.

**Galas**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Anecdotal, but for all the people I see bellowing about Xenos armies... I can sit here and tell you that since their release in the various cities I've been to, the 'New Xenos' Army Genestealer Cults? I've seen ONE person playing them.

And AdMech isn't much better, even though it's also 'not Space Marines'.

It's almost as if Space Marines sell.

To be honest the problem with Genestealers Cults is the relation points:money. I bought a Deathwatch Overkill to start an army, but after doing a list and checking what would cost me in € even with Uk discounts, this was my face (Excuse the now dead meme, rest in peperonni):

Spoiler:

Their rules are very cool and their models beautifull. But you can't expect people to pay Space Marine money-prices for kits with Imperial Guard point-costs.

**Arachnofiend**

meleti wrote:
Darsath wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
How boring, predictable and utterly GW. I'm sick of power armour releases. I'm sick of nurgle (pun intended). It's time for some new xenos releases now.

I hope this isn't it or GW have massively misjudged what constitutes a "HUGE reveal".

Hopefully the Quality of the release will justify it. It's possible that these power armoured dudes are a very interesting and unique faction.

There's already a major "elite power armor" faction, and that's Grey Knights. I don't know how interesting GW can make a second faction like this beyond giving them some nice looking models.

It'd be a third faction, actually. Deathwatch are also "elite loyalist power armor". Hell Death Guard and Thousand Sons are also arguably "elite power armor" factions on the Chaos side.

**Darsath**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Anecdotal, but for all the people I see bellowing about Xenos armies... I can sit here and tell you that since their release in the various cities I've been to, the 'New Xenos' Army Genestealer Cults? I've seen ONE person playing them.

And AdMech isn't much better, even though it's also 'not Space Marines'.

It's almost as if Space Marines sell.

Yeah, I don't think Genestealer Cults are very popular. Though, I thought it was a mistake to make them a full army.

Other Xenos factions like Tau and Orks are plenty popular though, so...

**Lazzamore**

I think I can shed some light on the desire for more Xenos, as it seems a no-brain-er to me that, yes, I want more Xenos: for us the Xenos Factions represent the Settings sense of Scale.

Frankly put, the more I hear and learn about Xenos, the more I feel the world of 40k is 'real' and 'alive' and not one topic for me to learn about, and the more I want to drop coin at the FLGS on GW products.

Not to say this fondness HAS to be shared by you guys, just saying; 'Count me in on team: xenos!' I understand, personally, the want for Xenos over Imperium or Chaos. It makes 40k seem varied and alive to me.

**BlaxicanX**

Galas wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
From what I've gathered Xenos players in general aren't happy about the releases of codexes and models so far.

To be fair, they've been cranking out the majority of 'Space Marine' related armies first. That should clear the way for nothing but Xenos releases afterward.
People probably thought that before Primaris marines were introduced. lol

They thought that because before Primaris Marines we had a ton of non-marine releases like Adeptus Mechanicus, Harlequins and Genestealer Cults in 7th edition and Nurgle Daemons in 8th.
Yeah, theres always some form of power armour between this kind of releases (Or one could say, theres always some form of strange faction between power armour releases). What a surprise. Thats older than GW insane prices.

Ergo only a fool says "this is the last Marine release for X amount of time".

Death, taxes and marine releases are eternal. There is no way to predict when we'll receive a new marine line and there is no pattern. It's random.

**An Actual Englishman**

Hey there's a ton (including me) of Ork players in my locality. I also am one of the supposed non existent person who owns no space marine army. I also have Eldar and ice dabbled in a few other xenos armies. Its all anecdotal and it means little.

What makes you think custodes are going to sell so well? Because they sell well in 30k? Of course they do, they are effectively the 'alien' faction there aren't they (Inb4 heresy)?Their units are most different and unique compared to others.

Genestealer cults was never going to be a big seller imo, it was an easy win. It uses existing models where GW can sell super expensive 'upgrade' sprues to make them compatible. The outlay for GW is relatively small for them comparatively I suspect.

**Yodhrin**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Anecdotal, but for all the people I see bellowing about Xenos armies... I can sit here and tell you that since their release in the various cities I've been to, the 'New Xenos' Army Genestealer Cults? I've seen ONE person playing them.

And AdMech isn't much better, even though it's also 'not Space Marines'.

It's almost as if Space Marines sell.

*People ask for Xenos.

*Finally, GW release Xenos, but give them either gakky rules or make the models hideously expensive relative to their ingame points.

*Not many people buy said Xenos.

*"See, Marines just sell better than other stuff!".

Marines(or Bigger Marines, or Golden not-Marines, or whatever the next no-really-this-is-the-elitiest-one-honest-guv army is) sell well on their own merits, sure, but more often than not GW's perception that other stuff won't sell is a self-fulfilling prophecy - if a faction is sabotaged with poor rules or overly expensive armies or by continually depicting them as punching bags for the Special Boys in the fluff, of course they aren't going to do very well compared to the Special Boys.

**Gamgee**

I haven't built and painted my deathwatch yet so you know I am technically on your bandwagon too lol. Overlords put them on hold. Yeap ny local players mentioned therte used to be tons of Tau players and they weren't even that strong back in 7th. Now I am the last of my kind. The only one dumb enough and with enough grit and balls to keep going when it seems like the whole world wants me gone lol. At least in my city I think I'm the only Tau player left right now.

**casualcryptic**

Funny you're all suddenly talking about this, I literally just bought a GSC battleforce. I mean, I play nids so I already had genestealers, and the GSC stuff is really fun, like having an orks army that's also a tyranid army so I bought in.

Also doesn't help that my group (which is mostly chaos players) hasn't shut up about how cool GSC is since they were launched.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Yodhrin wrote:
*Finally, GW release Xenos, but give them either gakky rules or make the models hideously expensive relative to their ingame points.

*Not many people buy said Xenos.

*"See, Marines just sell better than other stuff!".

That's weird, considering how well Xenos armies do in comparison to Marines.

It's funny how 'Space Marines are the baby army' or 'Space Marines aren't good' until someone wants to complain about not getting new Xenos. Then suddenly you'd think Space Marines are the top-dog, destroyers-of-all in tournaments.

**Darsath**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
*Finally, GW release Xenos, but give them either gakky rules or make the models hideously expensive relative to their ingame points.

*Not many people buy said Xenos.

*"See, Marines just sell better than other stuff!".

That's weird, considering how well Xenos armies do in comparison to Marines.

It's funny how 'Space Marines are the baby army' or 'Space Marines aren't good' until someone wants to complain about not getting new Xenos. Then suddenly you'd think Space Marines are the top-dog, destroyers-of-all in tournaments.

What he said was in relation to your specific example. Not on Xenos as a whole, as their performance doesn't relate to increased product releases anyways.

**Galas**

GW has an interest in releasing Xenos and that kind of more strange factions. It makes the universe deeper and it can mean having sales for new kinds of players that otherwise wouldn't have bought into the game.
At the same time, for space marine players, having a greater range of opponents is a plus.

But for this same reason I doubt we are gonna see a Non Imperial/Chaos faction become as big as the factions we have now. I expect the AoS threatment moving forward. Ironjawz, Sylvaneth, Kharadrons, etc... 2-4 kits and a bunch of heroes... and who knows when will they be expanded.
Small factions that are "cheap" to produce and easy to make a benefit from them.

Of course I'm talking out of my ass, so take what I say as what it is: A random spanish guy on the internet talking like he knows