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 Alpharius wrote:
I like them!

Side benefit?

Apparently we’ll never hear from a certain Xenos player ever again.

I mean, he wouldn’t go back on his word, would he?

I like you, even if you are a dirty traitor.

This Custodes release has me pretty pumped. Time to empty the couch and find them pennies...

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I know I'm not up to date on all things, but aren't Primaris marines restricted from riding in Land Raiders? But Custodes who are the same size plus carrying 9-foot spears can?

I think the explanation is that Primaris Marines were updated by Cawl to use USB-C charging ports, which aren't compatible with the older tanks. Custodes, fluff-wise, are an older design and still use the USB-A/B ports that are in older Marine tanks.

Also possible they were sitting on a whole bunch of Land Raiders when they made up the Talons of the Emperor boxed set.

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 Arachnofiend wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
easy missed in the hubbub

That’s not all, however – as well as giving you plenty of new ways to build and customise your Thousand Sons army, some new units will be making their debut in Warhammer 40,000. Thanks to the new codex, you’ll be able to lead your Tzaangor into battle with the Tzaangor Shaman or support them with disc-riding Tzaangor Enlightened – perfect if you’ve been looking for an excuse to pick up these models for your Tzeentch army. For those of you willing to risk mutation or madness, you’ll also be able to enlist a massive Mutalith Vortex beast to your dazzling ensemble, further expanding the forces the Changer of Ways.

Wait, did they just randomly stuff a large monster in the thousand sons list rather than daemons list?

The mutalith is explicitly not a daemon (the AoS keyword is "monster of chaos", whatever the hell that means), same with tzaangors.

That's... nice. It isn't a 'thousand son' or have the 'tzeentch' keyword either, so I have no idea why this would be a better way (let alone a reasonable way) to shoe horn it in to 40k.

Actually, it DOES have the Tzeentch keyword. Right after they released Disciples of Tzeentch, they realized, "Hey, the Mutalith is an awesome fit, let's update it so it'll work in Tzeentch armies."

GW has dozens of kits that have been out of stock for months because of production problems but chooses to release a bunch of new kits for new armies while around half of their current major armies are still sitting around without codex support.

Seems legit.

 nintura wrote:
Welp, color me 100% disappointed. I want to do a Custodes army but I was totally expecting something else. Seems only marine armies will get updates but that's not even entirely true. Thousand Sons get their codex finally and zero new models. Just rules for two non-thousand son marine models from AoS getting ported over.... So I dont know what to do with my 1k Sons army because I dont like the idea of playing the same small army for years and it's still nearly impossible to play an actual fluffy Thousand Sons army due to small model count.

...didn't Thousand Sons just get a huge release like, a year ago?

 anticitizen013 wrote:

I'm not so sure World Eaters and Emperors Children will get their own stuff in the foreseeable future. I also think GW has learned a bit and won't release a second Space Marine codex before at least the Xenos stuff is released.

But Space Wolves are definitely going to be a thing and would be a very good opportunity for Leman Russ to come out of the warp (or wherever he is) and be like "sup"...

With Angron on his way World Eater codex is pretty logical location. Guess they could put him on chaos marines mk2 codex of course.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
GW has dozens of kits that have been out of stock for months because of production problems but chooses to release a bunch of new kits for new armies while around half of their current major armies are still sitting around without codex support.

Seems legit.

Do you really think that the Custodes stuff hasn't been sitting warehoused for awhile?

I mean FFS, the picture that got leaked is literally of a shrink-wrapped box. This isn't something that has been shown or put on advance order for shops yet. Some dude working in the warehouse took a picture of stock that isn't ready to go out yet.

tneva82 wrote:

 anticitizen013 wrote:

I'm not so sure World Eaters and Emperors Children will get their own stuff in the foreseeable future. I also think GW has learned a bit and won't release a second Space Marine codex before at least the Xenos stuff is released.

But Space Wolves are definitely going to be a thing and would be a very good opportunity for Leman Russ to come out of the warp (or wherever he is) and be like "sup"...

With Angron on his way World Eater codex is pretty logical location. Guess they could put him on chaos marines mk2 codex of course.

Source? I mean if that's true, then that makes sense for sure. I've heard speculation regarding that but nothing solid. Need another loyalist scum primarch to balance it out first :p

Seeing guy pretty much 100 percent accurary(hastings) with rumours listed angron as first 5(3 which are already correct) that's about as good as confirmed. Old news. When news about first 40k primarch started floating? About that time iirc.

Last one was Russ btw

tneva82 wrote:
Seeing guy pretty much 100 percent accurary(hastings) with rumours listed angron as first 5(3 which are already correct) that's about as good as confirmed. Old news. When news about first 40k primarch started floating? About that time iirc.

Last one was Russ btw

Well that excites me in ways only a bloodthirsty murderer can.

Anyway sorry to derail the topic. Those jetbikes sure do look awesome though!

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
GW has dozens of kits that have been out of stock for months because of production problems but chooses to release a bunch of new kits for new armies while around half of their current major armies are still sitting around without codex support.

Seems legit.

Considering how long it can take a single model to go from concept to packaged sprue ready to sell; then consider that they've got several models in one go in this kit and, even if some are done alongside each other, chances are this release is months back in planning and release. Heck they might well have been on the cards well before heavy sales and production issues really affected GW supply.

So chances are that they couldn't just "stop" this process, if they did it would likely cause even more of a backlog of releases (and then those Xeno players would be even more put out).

 Crazyterran wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Welp, color me 100% disappointed. I want to do a Custodes army but I was totally expecting something else. Seems only marine armies will get updates but that's not even entirely true. Thousand Sons get their codex finally and zero new models. Just rules for two non-thousand son marine models from AoS getting ported over.... So I dont know what to do with my 1k Sons army because I dont like the idea of playing the same small army for years and it's still nearly impossible to play an actual fluffy Thousand Sons army due to small model count.

...didn't Thousand Sons just get a huge release like, a year ago?

Does six kits (one of which was bastardized from Age of Sigmar) really count as huge?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Welp, color me 100% disappointed. I want to do a Custodes army but I was totally expecting something else. Seems only marine armies will get updates but that's not even entirely true. Thousand Sons get their codex finally and zero new models. Just rules for two non-thousand son marine models from AoS getting ported over.... So I dont know what to do with my 1k Sons army because I dont like the idea of playing the same small army for years and it's still nearly impossible to play an actual fluffy Thousand Sons army due to small model count.

...didn't Thousand Sons just get a huge release like, a year ago?

Does six kits (one of which was bastardized from Age of Sigmar) really count as huge?

I don't think adding a single sprue really counts as "bastardizing".

Funny fact, the Tzaangors were released for 40K before they were released for Age of Sigmar.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
GW has dozens of kits that have been out of stock for months because of production problems but chooses to release a bunch of new kits for new armies while around half of their current major armies are still sitting around without codex support.

New release products sell more than 20 year old sculpts. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

And from GW's perspective all their armies are supported because of the stop-gap Indices.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Does six kits (one of which was bastardized from Age of Sigmar) really count as huge?

The three kits mentioned in Warhammer Community are also just AoS reboxes. So Thousand Sons aren't getting new minis (that we know of?) just access to stuff already produced.

 Ghaz wrote:
Funny fact, the Tzaangors were released for 40K before they were released for Age of Sigmar.

But they were clearly designed for Age of Sigmar; having the chainswords and pistols on a separate sprue tells us so. They only released for 40k first because they chose to do Thousands Sons before Disciples of Tzeentch.

 anticitizen013 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Well they could release some deep cuts like Ordo Chronos Inquisition complete with Telephonicum Boothius transports.

Oh man that's awesome. It could be led by Doctarian. All their transports would be blue (and bigger on the inside).

And they still won't be able to transport Primaris marines...

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Funny fact, the Tzaangors were released for 40K before they were released for Age of Sigmar.

But they were clearly designed for Age of Sigmar; having the chainswords and pistols on a separate sprue tells us so. They only released for 40k first because they chose to do Thousands Sons before Disciples of Tzeentch.

Or they were designed for both, because the AoS box can be used for 40k as well. The Thousand Sons entry for Tzaangors had them with the ability to take the normal weapons options as well.

For those keeping track and to understand why non-Space Marine players are pissed at yet another power armour army getting a model release, the last 6 major model releases for 40K (including the new Custodes) have been:

Custodes
Death Guard
Primaris Marines
Thousand Sons
Genestealer Cults
Deathwatch

Spot the odd one out. The two things to remember here is that this list stretches back 18 months and the only Xenos force on there was ridiculously over costed, for a competitive army in 7th you needed about 100 Acolytes, that came in boxes of 5 for £25, so that was £500 and for an 1850 tournement list that still left you with roughly 900pts spare. Not that it matters in 8th, Acolytes and Metamorphs had their attacks cut in half and their points cost raised by about a 1/3rd and lost the Return to the Shadows special rule, making the army terrible. Whilst it's true that after a certain point the quality of the rules has no effect on the sales for an army, notably bad rules will sink it.

The last time non-Space Marine armies got a decent amount of attention was 2015 when we had Necrons, Harlequins, Ad Mech, Craftworld Eldar and Tau. Thats over 2 years ago now, non-Space Marine players have a distinct reason to be agrieved over the lack of support for what is an ever increasing length of time.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the Custodes models are nice and I actually like the new Termies and bikes more than the FW examples (the pouldrons on the termies are better and the FW bikes are a bit too plane). It's just yet more power armour dudes.

Having that vortex beast in 40K is cool, I always liked that model and it is certainly more interesting and chaosy than spiky marines (or hollow automaton marines in this case.) Tzaangors are nice models too, and including the rest of the range makes sense, considering that the basic dudes were already present.

It is however a bit unfortunate that all this cool Tzeentch stuff will be (probably) labelled <Thousand Sons> instead of being generic chaos stuff. I like Tzeentch, but I don't like Thousand Sons. Oh well, It is probably possible to wiggle this stuff into a non-TS chaos army with multiple detachments without including any automaton marines.

Well, they gotta run out of space marines at some point.

...probably.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
GW has dozens of kits that have been out of stock for months because of production problems but chooses to release a bunch of new kits for new armies while around half of their current major armies are still sitting around without codex support.

New release products sell more than 20 year old sculpts. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

And from GW's perspective all their armies are supported because of the stop-gap Indices.

If it was 20 year old sculpts I would get it, but many are only 3-4 years old. The ones for recently released codexes are especially bad.

”Here's your new book of toys, too bad you can't buy them."

And I don't care what GW thinks they are supporting. The reality is quite different.

Actually, the tzaangor may be getting an additional sprue like they have for the regular dudes the pistols.

Can see skyfires with guns being a thing.

 anticitizen013 wrote:

I'm not so sure World Eaters and Emperors Children will get their own stuff in the foreseeable future. I also think GW has learned a bit and won't release a second Space Marine codex before at least the Xenos stuff is released.

I'd wager we'd see Emperor's Children first out of those two, mostly because of the Noise Marines being plastic/finecast hybrid models and Berzerkers being all-plastic.

I'd imagine we'd see them after a major Xenos release, which I'm thinking would be plastic kits for Aspect Warriors, likely coming in waves instead of all at once with a few weeks of "miscellaneous HQs and and characters in single-option plastic and maybe some scenery or hobby stuff" releases.

Ill love for a Sniper sprue for Tzaangor Skyfires. Give chaos some snipers!

 BoomWolf wrote:
Actually, the tzaangor may be getting an additional sprue like they have for the regular dudes the pistols.

Can see skyfires with guns being a thing.

I wouldn't expect it. The bows are supposed to be daemonic/spellfire.

T-Sons player here.

Excited for the Tzaangor units. Not interested in the beast.

Overall though if we don't get 3-4 new kits i'm going to be severely disappointed. Why give deathguard 3x the range of T-Sons?

hazefrog wrote:
T-Sons player here.

Excited for the Tzaangor units. Not interested in the beast.

Overall though if we don't get 3-4 new kits i'm going to be severely disappointed. Why give deathguard 3x the range of T-Sons?

I get the impression the sculpting team got kinda carried away with themselves on the Death Guard and Nurgle Daemons. I wouldn't even be surprised if they ended up in the starter set purely because it justified the amount of sculpts that'd been churned out in a fit of inspiration.

I mean, if you wanted to market a starter set to the widest possible audience, I'd never have put the plague God and his weeping sores and exposed intestines in the box. The asthetic works well, but no way is it for everyone.

 Mr Morden wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Yep, a lot of the Eldar stuff and a handful of the chaos stuff have been around since 2nd edition.

And ALL of the SoB stuff.

well except St C, the twins and Canoness V thats correct.

+ Exorcist, new Immolator, Repentia, Penitent engine, Dialogus, Hospitaller, new Canonness, Sister with Storm bolter and Sisters with Simulacrum.