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This is exactly what 40k needed. Another Imperial army that will be forgotten about in a year. I think GW mistook the word Big for Boring.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually like the idea of Chaos Monsters, Tzaangors on foot and on Discs alongside standard Thousand Sons and their Sorcerers. The last thing Thousand Sons need are Assault and Devastator variants to make them yet another force of Spiky-flavored Space Marines.

I don't think that's a good attitude to take honestly, because they -will- be a flavour of spiky marines by definition. Locking them out of basic roles in a rush to differentiate them isn't going to do them any favours. As is, Rubrics are a durable anti-elite unit, and rubric terminators are a durable anti-elite unit.

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

If the lack of variety in the rubrics is the problem, then perhaps Ahriman should have though about that before snubbing his patron deity by rejecting his glorious gift of mutation.

I'm posting again just because I'm so excited for all these announcements. I'll need a 3rd Custodes troop squad and hopefully Magnus can actually run with his Sons and not have them suck by comparison next to him.

changemod wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually like the idea of Chaos Monsters, Tzaangors on foot and on Discs alongside standard Thousand Sons and their Sorcerers. The last thing Thousand Sons need are Assault and Devastator variants to make them yet another force of Spiky-flavored Space Marines.

I don't think that's a good attitude to take honestly, because they -will- be a flavour of spiky marines by definition. Locking them out of basic roles in a rush to differentiate them isn't going to do them any favours. As is, Rubrics are a durable anti-elite unit, and rubric terminators are a durable anti-elite unit.

and I thought the whole unit of rubrics could be armed with flamers

Mr. Funktastic wrote:

 Galas wrote:
My Custodes are painted black with SoS in silver, but yeah, at the end of the day, paint them whatever colour you like.

Black Custodes, best Custodes, but painted white with golden details are cool too:

Spoiler:

(Not mine)

Those look awesome, what did you use for the black?

As I said they aren't mine. I can't paint that well
This is the original artist:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/411809?browseid=4689371

I experimented while painting these guys to try to give their armour the dulled silver look of Titanium, by drybrushing Leadbelcher over Mechanicus Standard Grey, before shading with Nuln+Lahmian 1:1. I'm not sure how I feel about the effect. Feedback always welcome.

Thousands Sons did have access to close combat and heavy weapons back in 2nd edition, but I do agree that using them mainly as bodyguards for the sorcerers is more fitting. They're supposed to be a devastated legion with little interest in typical means of warfare.

So it is Custodes. woohooo

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

changemod wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually like the idea of Chaos Monsters, Tzaangors on foot and on Discs alongside standard Thousand Sons and their Sorcerers. The last thing Thousand Sons need are Assault and Devastator variants to make them yet another force of Spiky-flavored Space Marines.

I don't think that's a good attitude to take honestly, because they -will- be a flavour of spiky marines by definition. Locking them out of basic roles in a rush to differentiate them isn't going to do them any favours. As is, Rubrics are a durable anti-elite unit, and rubric terminators are a durable anti-elite unit.

and I thought the whole unit of rubrics could be armed with flamers

Expensive, high AP flamers? Yes. Works pretty well as an anti-everything bomb, but pays through the nose for the privilege.

Doesn't really do anything to address the near-complete role overlap of Rubricae units.

Someone said that Thousand Sons should have Rubric Dreadnoughts.

......how would that work, exactly? Dreadnoughts are marines who were injured too seriously that they had to be entombed in a dreadnought sarcophagus. In the case of Rubric Marines, there's nothing inside that power armor to entomb in the first place Oo

Unless that poster meant all dreadnoughts that weren't psychic at the time of the rubric casting. But I really can't imagine there being that many of those in the first place.

Also, how is the Thousand Sons range unplayable due to a lack of units/models/whatever like several people here have insinuated? Don't Thousand Sons get access to EVERY single toy that normal Chaos Marines get besides Berserkers, Noise Marines, and Plague Marines (and certain forge world vehicles)? If Thousand Sons are in really such a sad state that they're supposedly unplayable due to a lack of units, where does that leave vanilla Chaos Marines who don't get access to several Tzeentch units that the TSons do?

GW just reminding everyone if you aren't chaos or imperium you ain't gak to them.

90% of imp+chaos codexes released before we get our third xenos codex trololol

the_scotsman wrote:
GW just reminding everyone if you aren't chaos or imperium you ain't gak to them.

90% of imp+chaos codexes released before we get our third xenos codex trololol

id suspect that has something to do with sales data?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

It's the idea that I'm now playing a Tzaangor army backed up with Thousand Sons units....

 nintura wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

It's the idea that I'm now playing a Tzaangor army backed up with Thousand Sons units....

Just don't play Tzaangor if you don't like Tzaangor.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Someone said that Thousand Sons should have Rubric Dreadnoughts.

......how would that work, exactly? Dreadnoughts are marines who were injured too seriously that they had to be entombed in a dreadnought sarcophagus. In the case of Rubric Marines, there's nothing inside that power armor to entomb in the first place Oo

Unless that poster meant all dreadnoughts that weren't psychic at the time of the rubric casting. But I really can't imagine there being that many of those in the first place.

Well for one thing, the index currently allows Helbrutes as thousand sons- It frankly shouldn't. The only Dreadnoughts who should be fleshy should also be powerful psykers.

And yes, of course I meant the Dreadnoughts who were around at the time of the Rubric of Ahriman.

 nintura wrote:
It's the idea that I'm now playing a Tzaangor army backed up with Thousand Sons units....

Which is completely unfounded.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Someone said that Thousand Sons should have Rubric Dreadnoughts.

......how would that work, exactly? Dreadnoughts are marines who were injured too seriously that they had to be entombed in a dreadnought sarcophagus. In the case of Rubric Marines, there's nothing inside that power armor to entomb in the first place Oo

Unless that poster meant all dreadnoughts that weren't psychic at the time of the rubric casting. But I really can't imagine there being that many of those in the first place.

Also, how is the Thousand Sons range unplayable due to a lack of units/models/whatever like several people here have insinuated? Don't Thousand Sons get access to EVERY single toy that normal Chaos Marines get besides Berserkers, Noise Marines, and Plague Marines (and certain forge world vehicles)? If Thousand Sons are in really such a sad state that they're supposedly unplayable due to a lack of units, where does that leave vanilla Chaos Marines who don't get access to several Tzeentch units that the TSons do?

A Rubric Dreadnought is just a TS Dreadnought that suffered Ahriman's Rubric we he was allready a Dreadnought or one of the lesser Rubrics other sorcerrers know to do.

TiamatRoar wrote:


Also, how is the Thousand Sons range unplayable due to a lack of units/models/whatever like several people here have insinuated? Don't Thousand Sons get access to EVERY single toy that normal Chaos Marines get besides Berserkers, Noise Marines, and Plague Marines (and certain forge world vehicles)? If Thousand Sons are in really such a sad state that they're supposedly unplayable due to a lack of units, where does that leave vanilla Chaos Marines who don't get access to several Tzeentch units that the TSons do?

There are a lot of justifications for specific TS Dreadnauts, rubric or psychic ones. Just takes a little creativity.

Look again. They only have access to vehicles and deamon engines. Last ones do not fit well aestheticly in the army as do the Hellbrutes.

And to all those who say TS armies are fine. Play a lot of games with them and you will get bored to hell. I am waiting for the codex but If they ad no variety to the Legion then I will sell my army. I have played 40k for allmost 20 years. But I never had an army as boring to play and I play World Eaters too. They at least are more interesting to play even if as onedimensional as TS.

hazefrog wrote:

Anon052 wrote:
Severly disappointed with the TS. They confirmed on facebook, that there will be no new models for TS. They coud at least have done one new character kit. they lack support characters. This is the most boring and one dimensional army ever.

Not interested in more tzaangors. Wanted to play an elite army not a mass army.

How Sad.

And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

I suppose the fluffy upside to all this is that i now hate spoiled old Nurgle and his crummy Deathguard.

Yeah but likely still in front of Sisters, Eldar Aspect warriors and so much more, and of course TS will have a Codex - lots of people don't and will be waiting mnay months for even that.

Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

TiamatRoar wrote:
Someone said that Thousand Sons should have Rubric Dreadnoughts.

......how would that work, exactly? Dreadnoughts are marines who were injured too seriously that they had to be entombed in a dreadnought sarcophagus. In the case of Rubric Marines, there's nothing inside that power armor to entomb in the first place Oo

Unless that poster meant all dreadnoughts that weren't psychic at the time of the rubric casting. But I really can't imagine there being that many of those in the first place.

Also, how is the Thousand Sons range unplayable due to a lack of units/models/whatever like several people here have insinuated? Don't Thousand Sons get access to EVERY single toy that normal Chaos Marines get besides Berserkers, Noise Marines, and Plague Marines (and certain forge world vehicles)? If Thousand Sons are in really such a sad state that they're supposedly unplayable due to a lack of units, where does that leave vanilla Chaos Marines who don't get access to several Tzeentch units that the TSons do?

There is also a precedent for psychic controlled automatons in the form of the Castellax Achea (in form its remarkably similar to a dreadnaught) also keep in mind that the Thousand Sons Dreadnoughts also had psykers installed within them with the Osiris pattern Contemptors.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 nintura wrote:
It's the idea that I'm now playing a Tzaangor army backed up with Thousand Sons units....

Which is completely unfounded.

Really? You know something I dont? Because if you're going to say "wait till the codex comes out", think about it. If they had new units or new ways for 1k Sons to be played that would make them more fluffy and not just a Tzaangor army, why wouldn't they have advertised it with the codex to build hype and sales? No, we know what we got and it's not Thousand Sons. It's alternative Tzeentch Daemons.

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

Didn't you know? 50% of 40k is whining. The rest is modeling, collecting, painting, and playing.

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

No they said all MAJOR factions will have one. Lets see what happens and who gets what. - oh right of course Dark Angels already got a codex and new models - so all is right with the world

Be less complaining if almost every codex so far had not been for marines of different hues

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

Funny enough, off of the current standing codexes (which were wiped with 8th). Though the codexes usually came with more than just some new rules. Usually new models were part of a codex release aswell, which justified the lower release rate.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

No they said all MAJOR factions will have one. Lets see what happens and who gets what. - oh right of course Dark Angels already got a codex and new models - so all is right with the world

Be less complaining if almost every codex so far had not been for marines of different hues

Tau are my primary army, but nice try with the "omg marine player you Imperial scum!"
I can totally understand the problem that people can have with 80% of the Codex are power-armoured units. And just two Xenos factions. But the difference is what? Waiting 2 months instead of 4? At least for me, in "wargame/hobby time", 4-6 months is nothing.

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

They took comfort in knowing that codex releases mattered, and they'd get a bunch of new kits for their army alongside it.

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

They took comfort in knowing that codex releases mattered, and they'd get a bunch of new kits for their army alongside it.

Yeah certainly sounds like how Chaos Players thought... Or Orks....

Yep, sure were Codexs that mattered.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

If they can turn "fat stinky Marines" into a range the size of the Death Guard, they can do the same with "dusty golem Marines". I'm not sure they should do either tbh, there are a lot of other things I'd prefer GW be focusing on than giving all the minifactions of Chaos Marines the same level of excessive releases that all the minifactions of Goody Marines get - that's how we get Thunderwolves, people - but, they've set the standard now and I don't think it's unfair for players of other Chaos minifactions to be disappointed if theirs don't get the same treatment.