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 Binabik15 wrote:
Weird that Reikenor is EtB but not really cheaper than the other chars or a similiar one like the Akhelian King. The starters are as expected after the 40k ones. I have the "problem" that I really want the skull faced bird right now for a conversion, same as the banshees BUT they're sold out locally, anyway. So I might wait or double dip. Happy that the magazine comes with a cool mini, at that price, why not.

The Akhelian King isn't as big as you might think he is. The model gets some height from being situated on its 'hindquarters' effectively(deepmares have some weird biology...).

Reikenor is a fair bit larger than the Akhelian King is, at least from what I can tell. He's got a smaller base but it looks like that's just because he is situated on that statue. Add in that he's a named character and I would have expected him, as a non ETB, at around $50-$60USD vs the King's $40.
Solbright should, realistically, be $35 tops by herself but that scenic base is amazing.

The Dreadblades at 20€ are okay-ish. Better than 24, but it's still two dudes on horses that are only 75% there and almost cost as much as some cavalry unit kits. With online prices they're okay, though. I bought two KoS on horsies from ebay yesterday for 23€, if the pricing stays at 11,50 per KoS over time I'm not sure I'll buy those guys.

It's 2 heroes at 20E. Might sound silly, but that does kinda make a difference.

PS: I'm not surprised that GW has its machines running round the clock with massive realeases like this. I did not expect them to crank out the Stormcast and the Nighthaunt AND the sorcery stuff at the same time. I wonder if the Idoneth being so drawn out was down to some production hickup? If Rogue Trader comes out soon I'll be even more impressed.

There definitely were production hiccups and some of that seems to have made it onto the marketing side too. For example, the little art cards? Leviadon and Allopex got their cards in the wrong weeks.


And there's the 'mystery eel' that I mentioned a few days ago...leads a lot of the Idoneth players I've been talking with online to think there's a kit missing. I've been praying for a battle octopus. No rider, no nothing. Just an angry octopus swinging around clubs.

Yeah, anyone paying attention knew a smaller starter made of EtB kits for cheap would follow.

Anyone know what's in the Stormcast Thunderstrike Brotherhood?

Can't quite tell from the pic!

 Mysterio wrote:
Anyone know what's in the Stormcast Thunderstrike Brotherhood?

Can't quite tell from the pic!

It’s the stormcast from the last starter.

Technically the "first" starter. The last starter was that smaller version in 2017 that came with a terrain board that made a platform to fight on top of.

This is also the only way to get the Relictor. I was worried between the first starter going away and Nagash screwing around with the undead that all the Relictors(former necromancers that chose to follow Sigmar) would be gone barring conversions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Weird that Reikenor is EtB but not really cheaper than the other chars or a similiar one like the Akhelian King. The starters are as expected after the 40k ones. I have the "problem" that I really want the skull faced bird right now for a conversion, same as the banshees BUT they're sold out locally, anyway. So I might wait or double dip. Happy that the magazine comes with a cool mini, at that price, why not.

The Akhelian King isn't as big as you might think he is. The model gets some height from being situated on its 'hindquarters' effectively(deepmares have some weird biology...).

Reikenor is a fair bit larger than the Akhelian King is, at least from what I can tell. He's got a smaller base but it looks like that's just because he is situated on that statue. Add in that he's a named character and I would have expected him, as a non ETB, at around $50-$60USD vs the King's $40.
Solbright should, realistically, be $35 tops by herself but that scenic base is amazing.

The Dreadblades at 20€ are okay-ish. Better than 24, but it's still two dudes on horses that are only 75% there and almost cost as much as some cavalry unit kits. With online prices they're okay, though. I bought two KoS on horsies from ebay yesterday for 23€, if the pricing stays at 11,50 per KoS over time I'm not sure I'll buy those guys.

It's 2 heroes at 20E. Might sound silly, but that does kinda make a difference.

PS: I'm not surprised that GW has its machines running round the clock with massive realeases like this. I did not expect them to crank out the Stormcast and the Nighthaunt AND the sorcery stuff at the same time. I wonder if the Idoneth being so drawn out was down to some production hickup? If Rogue Trader comes out soon I'll be even more impressed.

There definitely were production hiccups and some of that seems to have made it onto the marketing side too. For example, the little art cards? Leviadon and Allopex got their cards in the wrong weeks.


And there's the 'mystery eel' that I mentioned a few days ago...leads a lot of the Idoneth players I've been talking with online to think there's a kit missing. I've been praying for a battle octopus. No rider, no nothing. Just an angry octopus swinging around clubs.

Good points, but I'm more confused by the criteria GW uses to decide what will be EtB or not than the pricing (outside the horsemen, as I said, ebaying bigger, more elaborate dudes is easy right now) than outraged by pricing - after 30€ Primaris single sprue clampacks the Kings and Lady Olynder seem really decent in that category Surely the Craven King could've been EtB, too/instead from an engineering PoV? Or the alternative Lord Executioner. Olynder probably can't have those huge pegs on the rose bits, so she's out.

So you have to be a) part of a starter army, b) ??? and c) being a character helps in AoS but in 40k you better be a vehicle instead.

I hope the rumoured Moonclan Grotz and later the Darkoath have a huge release like this.

PS: Double dip on the Glaivewraiths and the ministarter, then put them on Hexwraith horses to replace the IMO ugly Hexwraiths? Hmh. Black Knights can only be allies for Nighthaunt, right? I really want that undead crusade...

JSG wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Anyone know what's in the Stormcast Thunderstrike Brotherhood?

Can't quite tell from the pic!

It’s the stormcast from the last starter.

Baron Klatz wrote:Technically the "first" starter. The last starter was that smaller version in 2017 that came with a terrain board that made a platform to fight on top of.

This is also the only way to get the Relictor. I was worried between the first starter going away and Nagash screwing around with the undead that all the Relictors(former necromancers that chose to follow Sigmar) would be gone barring conversions.

...and the list of actual models is...?

(And yes, I'm after that Relictor too - and not just because it is also one of my favorite Space Marine Chapters too - it's a really nice looking AoS model as well!)

Stormcast from original starter:

10 liberators (2 x 5- man units)
3 retributors
3 prosecutors w/hammers
general on battlecat/lizard
relictor

Thank you - much appreciated!

I wasn't paying attention/wasn't interested first time around for AoS.

2.0 has me paying attention and interested though!

Davor wrote:
Well if stormcasts are going to have mounts with wings, were are my Beastclaw Riders with wing mounts?

That would just be an extra warscroll you'd have to scroll past while spamming Thundertusks.

Are those Easy to Build Nighthaunt kits made of gomd or what, the FLGS was out on Saturday (but had a lot of SC left) and the GW here is out, too, apparently. Every online store has it in stock, though. At this point I'm forced to order online or wait for the mini starter (with discount), it seems. I was trying to give you '"spontaneous purchase with the odd colour or two on top" money, GW!

And my nephews are visiting, so I could've given them the Wraiths and keep the little skullbird for myself

We sold both of the banshee boxes we got in here, but not the other three.

Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.

In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.

In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".

And they can dispel endless spells! Take that, dreaded Semantics Phase!

They really do look both nice as minis and as in-game units. That unit size unbinding buff, plus fairly ferocious daggers.

- Salvage

"a few people" - everyone is buying banshees, that's why they were sold out, I swear you'll hardly see a Death army without them

The poor glaivewraiths also just suck at 15 pts/model.


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 Boss Salvage wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.

In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".

And they can dispel endless spells! Take that, dreaded Semantics Phase!

They really do look both nice as minis and as in-game units. That unit size unbinding buff, plus fairly ferocious daggers.

- Salvage

Imo it's the rend that takes them from 'anti-magic elite infantry' to 'just take them' because rend in general is hard (too hard IMO) to come by and rend -2 is exceedingly rare. With the amount of 4+/3+ save Stormcast running around, and that they are a tough matchup for Nighthaunt anyways due to their mortal-spam potential, that makes high rend even more useful.


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So... does anyone know the fate of all the scenery warscrolls we are missing? A bunch of generic stuff like the watch tower, chapel, etc are now missing and the dreadhold battletome was invalidated by errata with no replacement as far as I can see.

All the terrain rules are in the General's Handbook under Conquest Unbound. Page 88+ Anything else is army specific or phased out most likely.

Their scenery pdf is still up from their site too.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-scenery-en.pdf

Baron Klatz wrote:
Their scenery pdf is still up from their site too.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-scenery-en.pdf

That PDF is for the oop scenery kits that were carried over from WHFB.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Their scenery pdf is still up from their site too.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-scenery-en.pdf

Ah thanks, that covers at least some of what I was looking for.

Happy to help.

I still love how even the signpost gives you a boost. That's just fun.

Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.

I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.

I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.

Annoyingly not in the big box, but I bet the new £20 one with the four easy to build will have one.

I'd have loved one in the big box, so that there was a nice route through the content. Rather than have to build everything in one mass.

I'm way more into small games these days.

Still, nothing to stop someone writing one I guess.

I just hope this edition has double the amount of stormcast heroes since 1.0 certainly didn't have enough pages of them.

 JonWebb wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.

I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.

Annoyingly not in the big box, but I bet the new £20 one with the four easy to build will have one.

I'd have loved one in the big box, so that there was a nice route through the content. Rather than have to build everything in one mass.

I'm way more into small games these days.

Still, nothing to stop someone writing one I guess.

Crap. The 40k ministarter has such a good booklet for a 7 year old to grasp the rules. The AoS one will verly linely have the same - but it's not even up for preorder yet. In a month their visit is long over.

Sigh. So I still don't know whether to buy the big starter or not.

I’d say it’s worth it.

Granted, I did swapsies to double up the Nighthaunt stuff, but lots in there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’d say it’s worth it.

Granted, I did swapsies to double up the Nighthaunt stuff, but lots in there.

The first Nighthaunt lot you get has absolutely mad value, because the characters included (bar the Lord Executioner) will likely be virtually included in every pure Nighthaunt list, ever. :-p The need for duplicates somewhat diminishes the value of further sets, in part because even two sets doesn't give you a proper min unit of Grimghast's.

Eh. Buy a couple of Wraiths, job’s a good enough ‘un!

At least for me.

The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?

I just want to find out if I can have an army of just the new stuff, and not have the old staples like liberators etc.

3 sets, however, give you 10 of those guys and 2 cairn wraiths, which are totally the same model.