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I don't think "It's plentiful on eBay already!" is really a solution. If the only way to get more of a miniature is either with a character you already have or on eBay it's not the best release.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses

But that's how you respond to everyone, so...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think "It's plentiful on eBay already!" is really a solution. If the only way to get more of a miniature is either with a character you already have or on eBay it's not the best release.

I agree; what I meant was that doing the boxing the way they did didn't capitalize on people buying up a bunch of them, because said people will go on ebay.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses

But that's how you respond to everyone, so...

Objectively untrue. But given that I generally treat you the same way you treat others I can see why you'd think so.

The boxed set is completely backwards imo.

I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..

If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.

But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...

Jacob29 wrote:
The boxed set is completely backwards imo.

I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..

If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.

But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...

The box set isn't for people that want to make competitive lists. They are there for new players and hobbyists that want some cool new toys.

You want some Chainghasts? Wait for the box of them to be released

Jacob29 wrote:
The boxed set is completely backwards imo.

I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..

If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.

But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...

I agree that the box set is not ideal. I noticed that the grimghast reapers have a similar torso with the same kind of collar. You could probably do some pretty decent conversions with the four Reapers in the soul wars box.

Thebiggesthat wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
The boxed set is completely backwards imo.

I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..

If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.

But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...

The box set isn't for people that want to make competitive lists. They are there for new players and hobbyists that want some cool new toys.

You want some Chainghasts? Wait for the box of them to be released

Who said it was a competitive list? It was just a fun list I wanted to try. I have no idea if it's good or not. Also not really sure how you can prove it is for new players?

And which new box will that be? because I asked a page ago if anyone had seen any other models of these and the answer was NO.

So as far as I can tell GW have no plan to release them separately. And why would they when they have a box of them already? albeit annoyingly with a model you don't really want.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Objectively untrue.

Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.

So there's that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Objectively untrue.

Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.

So there's that.

Oh, just kiss already!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Objectively untrue.

Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.

So there's that.

You missed the joke entirely.


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 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Objectively untrue.

Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.

So there's that.

Oh, just kiss already!

I gave up on rule #1 applying to those two a long time ago, thus the snark.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.

I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.

But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.

I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.

Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.

Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.

Oddly, I think most people aren't actually reading what I'm saying. I'm not asking for a cheap single model. I'm pointing out how the set-up is poor for people wanting the actual unit. I'll try this one more time because I think the actual issue I'm pointing out is being missed.

Evocators & Dracoline Evocators come in minimum unit sets but have the options to build characters (invocators on foot or on dracoline)
Chainghasts come in a box that has minimum size unit and character.

This will give gw marketing information. We already know they price their characters high in comparison to units (some say insanely so I personally just find it a bit much generally). So what we have is two (winning for gw) options. One is the releasing a full unit with an option to build the character but priced as just the unit cost and the other is a unit with a character priced like a unit with a character. One is a much worse long running set up for consumers than the other.

Additionally I'm party of the competitive crowd and 1 torment is pretty much all you need. There are a lot of other good characters that can be had for the army for the same points let alone allying in your friendly vamp friends for regening units

@Ninth

I was merely pointing out that if you have me on ignore like you stated in another thread the swipe is generally frowned upon because you can't see responses. Since you're responding you either don't or just can't help yourself. Either one I'm good with


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Chikout wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
The boxed set is completely backwards imo.

I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..

If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.

But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...

I agree that the box set is not ideal. I noticed that the grimghast reapers have a similar torso with the same kind of collar. You could probably do some pretty decent conversions with the four Reapers in the soul wars box.

This is what I'm doing as well. The grimghast reapers even come with chains and bells so it'll be fairly easy. It's not the models for me. It's the possibility of sneaking a yucky pricing model down the line that they are obviously testing.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.

I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.

But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.

I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.

Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.

Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.

Oddly, I think most people aren't actually reading what I'm saying. I'm not asking for a cheap single model. I'm pointing out how the set-up is poor for people wanting the actual unit. I'll try this one more time because I think the actual issue I'm pointing out is being missed.

You're right, I totally misinterpreted. I agree it would be better to have a setup with 3 chainghasts with one potentially built as a character (if I get you correctly).

@Ninth

I was merely pointing out that if you have me on ignore like you stated in another thread the swipe is generally frowned upon because you can't see responses. Since you're responding you either don't or just can't help yourself. Either one I'm good with

If I address you specifically I will check the next few posts to see if you are responding to me specifically. It would be a dick move otherwise.

@Ninth

No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Ninth

No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box

And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.


If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.

Chainghasts.

Can’t be that hard to find four padlocks in the same scale?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Ninth

No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box

And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.


If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.

Jeebus...I should know better with you because walls tend to shift more in understanding what others are saying. I laid it out as easily as possible. You don't understand the issue and that's fine. I'll let it go if you do.

@Mad Doc

It's not. But like most other options "convert it" isn't really a customer friendly answer. A lot of us will. I'd bet most players wouldn't. Like I said, you can already do it with the Grimghast Reapers box if you're cool with bells instead of padlocks

 Kanluwen wrote:
let's just call this what it is

White knighting

The box has a bad ratio of torments vs ghasts, especially with all the extra torments on the market because they're in the starter set. End of story.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
let's just call this what it is

White knighting

So you don't actually have an argument

The box has a bad ratio of torments vs ghasts, especially with all the extra torments on the market because they're in the starter set. End of story.

Torments "on the market" means diddly--and it sure as hell likely isn't factoring into how GW plans to package items. Not everybody is going to ebay or secondary market.

It's a 1 Torment to the minimum size of a unit of Ghasts. Buying two boxes gets you two Torments to two units of Ghasts or two Torments to one larger sized unit of Ghasts. Since unit coherency really matters now and they're Heroes that don't get to split and deploy multiples on the board, it's better to have units of two with Torments to bolster them.


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 Hulksmash wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Ninth

No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box

And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.


If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.

Jeebus...I should know better with you because walls tend to shift more in understanding what others are saying. I laid it out as easily as possible. You don't understand the issue and that's fine. I'll let it go if you do.

You really didn't "lay it out as easily as possible". You simply said it's bad and then listed some reasons why you think it's bad.

I get the issue. The Torment is a Hero that you think are artificially inflating the box's price and you think that the box should be priced similarly to two items that Stormcast are getting. There's no guarantee, sadly, that the Torment being 'optional' would reduce the price on the box.

Teaser for a Slaanesh release. I feel it deep inside.

What a wonderful note to get from a witch elf, well ignoring the threat of a gruesome death of course... but yeah, witch elves right.

As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have) I'm really eager to see his/hers update, its been a long time coming and GW have
done a pretty great job so far with the other three chaos gods in the Age of Sigmar setting. Now lets see if GW can temp me with
a Slannesh release at last.

*crosses arms*

Well, I'm waiting.

Nooo I thought I had months and months of safe releases to build my Witch Aelf army - I can't suffer a huge Slaanesh release alongside! (unless there's a starter box with both forces in it with some big discount on witch aelves cause then I'll just cave in totally )

 MothCult wrote:
As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have)...

Aww, don't worry. Slaanesh still cares for you.

 Overread wrote:
Nooo I thought I had months and months of safe releases to build my Witch Aelf army - I can't suffer a huge Slaanesh release alongside! (unless there's a starter box with both forces in it with some big discount on witch aelves cause then I'll just cave in totally )

As much as I'd like to see the Slaanesh release, supposedly it's still some months off. And that's not even counting the possibility that 40k Slaanesh gets released before AoS Slaanesh.

In other news, yay Slaanesh!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
let's just call this what it is

White knighting

So you don't actually have an argument

The box has a bad ratio of torments vs ghasts, especially with all the extra torments on the market because they're in the starter set. End of story.

Torments "on the market" means diddly--and it sure as hell likely isn't factoring into how GW plans to package items. Not everybody is going to ebay or secondary market.

It's a 1 Torment to the minimum size of a unit of Ghasts. Buying two boxes gets you two Torments to two units of Ghasts or two Torments to one larger sized unit of Ghasts. Since unit coherency really matters now and they're Heroes that don't get to split and deploy multiples on the board, it's better to have units of two with Torments to bolster them.

It really isn't.

Past the point of two torments, purely for having more of them around so they don't get sniped there is very little reason to get multiple.

The reason why is actually because of Chainghasts rules of boosting the AoE.

you don't need loads because Chainghasts do it for them.

So get 2, keep em at the back just within 12" of Chainghasts and let them bounce the bubble.

If you want 16 chainghasts like I do, enjoy your 8 torments, 6 of which are completely useless.

Is there a street date for the AoS magazine that comes with the Stormcast dude?

 Souleater wrote:
Is there a street date for the AoS magazine that comes with the Stormcast dude?

Preorder this Saturday so in store the following Saturday.

Groovy. Thank you kindly.

 MothCult wrote:
What a wonderful note to get from a witch elf, well ignoring the threat of a gruesome death of course... but yeah, witch elves right.

Stop kink shaming. Some of us require more . . . exotic . . . methods to "get there".

Please, God, let the Slaanesh stuff be coming soon!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Please, God, let the Slaanesh stuff be coming soon!

Ah, Slaanesh. All the innuendo, none of the guilt!

 Geifer wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Please, God, let the Slaanesh stuff be coming soon!

Ah, Slaanesh. All the innuendo, none of the guilt!

And if you do feel guilty, feel it as much as you can! All in excess!

But I do hope this is something new for Slaanesh, like the usual daemon stuff we'd sooner or later get it for 40k as well for double Slaanesh.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Please, God, let the Slaanesh stuff be coming soon!

Ah, Slaanesh. All the innuendo, none of the guilt!

And if you do feel guilty, feel it as much as you can! All in excess!

But I do hope this is something new for Slaanesh, like the usual daemon stuff we'd sooner or later get it for 40k as well for double Slaanesh.

If its like the other Chaos God releases then we can expect, at the very least, a new Keeper of Secrets kit; likely twinned with a hero alternative in the box and/or a variation built on a new monster in there too. In addition a new beast of slaanesh update (the old one is still neat but its down to 1 variation and in finecast). Ontop of that I'd wager we "might" see the basic troops updated (although GW hasn't been doing that as much as of late).

I'd personally like to see the chariot updated too; esp for 40K it just seems so backward/wrong in the 40K setting. Even in fantasy for such a huge model its rather lackluster as its main feature is "huge long plastic whips that will break if you look at them wrong*"

A new model/beast or such would be neat too. Always felt that Slaanesh would be a great god to give them another ranged type unit as demons are typically very under-supported in terms of ranged units (esp those that look like ranged units so not counting spells thrown by horrors).



(Granted this isn't as bad as Daughters of Khaine Khinerai which break if you so much as think of them wrong!