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It was the bestigor of times, it was the worstigor of times.

OK start, awful finish!

Hmm... all Tzaangors have compatible arms? Good to know.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
It was the bestigor of times, it was the worstigor of times.

I hate you so much.

Outside of Skyfires and the 40k bits, I'd love to know if there were any other sets of limbs that were directly compatible with Tzaangors, like the GS Cults and Skitarii.

Given that the Tzaangors shoulders are part of the arms, and that they kind of mould into the body, I don't think they work with GSC/Skitarii kits.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm more excited now. The Beastlord info kinda started to kill my joy but this article restored it even if we have to take specific artifacts if we choose a great herd.

Also bloodstoked Gor/Bestigor are a thing with running and charging in that battalion. If they don't change the Shaman that's 3"+6"+D6"+3"+1"+2d6"+3". That totals 16+3d6 and that's not counting cogs or anything else that might improve their speed. That's pretty sweet....

I'm trying to find the beastlord info you speak of? I tried going through the last several pages of the thread and couldn't find anything. Could you elaborate please?

I take it that Tzaangors are part of this faction as well as whichever Tzeentchian faction they are currently part of? And is a Beastman with the Mark of Tzeentch different from a Tzaangor?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I take it that Tzaangors are part of this faction as well as whichever Tzeentchian faction they are currently part of? And is a Beastman with the Mark of Tzeentch different from a Tzaangor?

A beastmen with a Mark of Tzeentch is as different from a Tzaangor than a Space Marine of Tzeentch compared to a Rubric.

 Zarroc1733 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm more excited now. The Beastlord info kinda started to kill my joy but this article restored it even if we have to take specific artifacts if we choose a great herd.

Also bloodstoked Gor/Bestigor are a thing with running and charging in that battalion. If they don't change the Shaman that's 3"+6"+D6"+3"+1"+2d6"+3". That totals 16+3d6 and that's not counting cogs or anything else that might improve their speed. That's pretty sweet....

I'm trying to find the beastlord info you speak of? I tried going through the last several pages of the thread and couldn't find anything. Could you elaborate please?

There hasn't been anything directly stated about the beastlord, but I do believe that they are referring to this image.


The basic stats appear to be the same but it only has weapon stats and abilities for the duel wielding configuration. This has people believing the other configurations no longer exist. On the plus side it looks like they have made changes to its Command ability, I haven't been able to make out what it says but the text doesn't line up with its original text.

Does anybody know which items will be available from discount retailers? Obviously the new Start Collecting box and book will be, will there be anything else?

At the moment it doesn't seem that any Beastmen/BOC stuff is available anywhere other than GW.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Does anybody know which items will be available from discount retailers? Obviously the new Start Collecting box and book will be, will there be anything else?

At the moment it doesn't seem that any Beastmen/BOC stuff is available anywhere other than GW.

They were pulled presumably to re-box for AoS 2

Brayherd Gors
Warherd Bullgors
and Warhounds of Chaos


get a re-release as well so presumably go back into the normal retail chain.

Any more info on the Realm of Chaos expansion?

 Venerable Ironclad wrote:

 Zarroc1733 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm more excited now. The Beastlord info kinda started to kill my joy but this article restored it even if we have to take specific artifacts if we choose a great herd.

Also bloodstoked Gor/Bestigor are a thing with running and charging in that battalion. If they don't change the Shaman that's 3"+6"+D6"+3"+1"+2d6"+3". That totals 16+3d6 and that's not counting cogs or anything else that might improve their speed. That's pretty sweet....

I'm trying to find the beastlord info you speak of? I tried going through the last several pages of the thread and couldn't find anything. Could you elaborate please?

There hasn't been anything directly stated about the beastlord, but I do believe that they are referring to this image.

Spoiler:

The basic stats appear to be the same but it only has weapon stats and abilities for the duel wielding configuration. This has people believing the other configurations no longer exist. On the plus side it looks like they have made changes to its Command ability, I haven't been able to make out what it says but the text doesn't line up with its original text.

Interesting. I'll see if I can pretty up the picture enough to read and if I can I'll post that command ability

from the twitch stream they talked about the chaos aligned warherds.

Khorne was already shown on the website.
Tzeentch they talked of each unit being able to dispel magic.
Nurgle something about handing out mortal wound if enemy get to close to units.
And Slaanesh apparently get rerolls to charge and maybe to hit against characters holding relics which seems the weakest of the 4 to me.

nagash42 wrote:

And Slaanesh apparently get rerolls to charge and maybe to hit against characters holding relics which seems the weakest of the 4 to me.

Its definitely more subtle, but rerolls to charge for a relatively fast army is pretty handy. The last half is a bit situational.

Rerolls to charge on units that can already run & charge is pretty strong. Especially when ambush is considered; no need to have a character nearby and expend a command point. If anything it could be the strongest or tied with Khorne for such. Re-roll to hit on artifact-bearing heroes could be very useful if it applies to shooting and affects cygor.

 Fango wrote:
Any more info on the Realm of Chaos expansion?

It'll likely be the next thing after the Beasts of Chaos stuff is done, but there might be some other things in the way (Shadespire 2: Shade Harder might get some love before they delve back into AoS proper).

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Rerolls to charge on units that can already run & charge is pretty strong. Especially when ambush is considered; no need to have a character nearby and expend a command point. If anything it could be the strongest or tied with Khorne for such. Re-roll to hit on artifact-bearing heroes could be very useful if it applies to shooting and affects cygor.

This is what I was thinking. Being able to have units 9" away after the 1st movement phase puts you into charge range. Being able to re-roll that makes it a lot more reliable. That could make for some realy nutty 1st turns.

Edit: In regards to the beastlord profile. I hope that the card is just only referencing the one weapon profile since it's the one they sell ATM? I still own a bunch of old great weapon and sword/board beast lords... I don't own any two hand weapon beast lords.

How do Minos...err, sorry, "Bullgors", fare in actual games instead of math hammer currently? They are kinda squishy on paper and not that hard hitting unless they hit with all attacks compared to other heavies. Yes, they soon will have another weapon and a weaker Bloodgreed, but overall they should be similiar to now.

A 1000 pts list with a Doombull, a shaman Mino (using either Thaumaturge or Sorc Lord on Chimera rules*, **) , 3 units of Bullgors and a Ghorgon might be a nice little side project, but Bull Centaur warcrolls look waaaay more interesting and their hero way stronger. Maybe two units of Bulls and something else, but the list with 3 units and the chimera is 1000 on the nose. At least at this moment.

At least the points reduction allows for easy 1:1 swapping of an unit of Blight Kings for Plague Cows.


*the fly ability would obviously represent some sort of teleporting ability

**the mini I want for this is the Zealot shaman cow, which is udderly cool, but they just said they'll need two months to finish KS pledges. I already have the Thaumaturge, so that would habe to be the version I run in the beginnig

I have played them a bit, and they are like a cannonball. If they are able to charge, buffed by a Doombull, they melt anything they enter in contact with.
Always armed with two hand axes, of course.

But they also are very vulnerable and a bit squishy. They soak Mortal Wouds very well, because they have low armour and a good amount of wounds. Not as well as Blight Knights, but Blight Knights are an A+ unit and Bullgors are a B- one.

Things will be better for them with the changes and the new battletome. Just by being able to be Khorne and having access to Bloodstoker buff will be bananas.

Endeless spells for beasts

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/14/14th-sept-beasts-of-chaos-getting-started-and-endless-spellsgw-homepage-post-4/


And some interesting concept arts:



This is a real mushroom goblin!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/14/14th-sept-the-way-of-the-miniatures-conceptualisergw-homepage-post-3/

 Binabik15 wrote:
How do Minos...err, sorry, "Bullgors", fare in actual games instead of math hammer currently? They are kinda squishy on paper and not that hard hitting unless they hit with all attacks compared to other heavies. Yes, they soon will have another weapon and a weaker Bloodgreed, but overall they should be similiar to now.

A 1000 pts list with a Doombull, a shaman Mino (using either Thaumaturge or Sorc Lord on Chimera rules*, **) , 3 units of Bullgors and a Ghorgon might be a nice little side project, but Bull Centaur warcrolls look waaaay more interesting and their hero way stronger. Maybe two units of Bulls and something else, but the list with 3 units and the chimera is 1000 on the nose. At least at this moment.

At least the points reduction allows for easy 1:1 swapping of an unit of Blight Kings for Plague Cows.


*the fly ability would obviously represent some sort of teleporting ability

**the mini I want for this is the Zealot shaman cow, which is udderly cool, but they just said they'll need two months to finish KS pledges. I already have the Thaumaturge, so that would habe to be the version I run in the beginnig

The new bullgors are much better IMO. They cause slightly more damage on average, but much more consistent damage (old bloodgreed was a spike of 3 damage if, after rolling a 6+ to wound, you hit, wound, and get past armour again, while new bloodgreed is a mortal wound as soon as you roll a 6 to wound on more attacks).

Cool.

Depending on availability of the Zealot Minos I might just have to built that list. I wish I had gotten the 5th ed Minos back in the day. At least the Doombull.

Or I'll repeat the conversion I did for my skirmish band several times over and run a horde of stallion War"bulls". I'd need something bigger than Thamaturge plus Warboss plus horse-Dorghar for the Doombull, though. Khorgorath as the base, maybe. And I need to take some pics of him without my messy table in the back

Has anyone got a feeling for the size of the endless spell bull? I want to give him hindlegs and mount a knight on it to use as a Varanguard for the Order of the Fly. Or a Ghorgon if he's too big.

NZ preorders are up. The bull spell is stronger than I anticipated.

And they buffed the chimera! 20 pts more still fits into my 2000 pts list of Gutrot's Viking pirates with Chaos Lord and "Chimera" - aka the Maw Krusha I got earlier this week - as a Warhammer version of Drago Bludvist. Making it 2000 instead of 1980, actually Can't wait to burninate stuff with it.

And the bull is on a 70 mm base so he's huuuuuuuge. Probably too big for my knight. Unleas I put an ogre on it. Hmh. But could make for a nice - if slightly confusing - Ghorgon.

So I'll get the spells and nothing else. Yet.

When does this come out?

Preorders tomorrow, release next week.

Random Gutbuster stuff getting reboxed and up for preorder on the Aussie site too. Only 2 kits, but its strange to see.

 nels1031 wrote:
Random Gutbuster stuff getting reboxed and up for preorder on the Aussie site too. Only 2 kits, but its strange to see.

If the stock was low enough for a new production run before a battletome was ready, then it makes perfect sense to rebox with round bases.