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I just noticed a few of the Orruk kits have 'Sold Out Online' status on GW's website. I'm especially miffed that the Boar Boyz kit is gone... Could they be getting re-packaged?

 NidLifeCrisis wrote:
I just noticed a few of the Orruk kits have 'Sold Out Online' status on GW's website. I'm especially miffed that the Boar Boyz kit is gone... Could they be getting re-packaged?

Possibly. There is a rumour that the Ironjawz are getting a new book. The Greenskins could well be getting folded in as the Spiderfang were with the Moonclan.

Made to order
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/20/coming-soon-made-to-order-orcs-and-goblins/

Funny enough I already have a Finecast copy of that Black Orc Big Boss; he came in a ziplock bag with 4 other pre-built Black Orcs from a bitz seller at Gencon last year for ten bucks. Even in Finecast, that's not particularly bad for 2 dollars, when i remember how much he used to cost in the package!

Funny things going on with the availability of Warscroll cards, too. In the EU the Nighthaunt and Gloomspite are sold out and all the rest are just straight up deleted.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Funny things going on with the availability of Warscroll cards, too. In the EU the Nighthaunt and Gloomspite are sold out and all the rest are just straight up deleted.

I believe warscroll cards are one of those splash items that when they sell through the initial print run then they're gone.

Yeah, the warscroll cards have always been one and done.

Is it just me or is the Greenskins Start Collecting gone? A bit concerning, I might need to go and pick one up to round out my Orcs...

Everything Orcs is gone now, and conveniently GW will be selling a limited run metal casting of the Wyvern Warboss.

WTF? That is unbelievable. Orcs are a cornerstone of GW to me. Man.

I suppose Mantic still do Orcs and Shieldwolf do as well, in that style roughly. But it is still shocking.

fear not there are still plenty about

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=647457687+4090686932+281339644&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1548018420000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1548018420000%5D&view=all

Ironjaws are ugly garbage, and overpriced. Savage Orcs are fine, but they are not the same thing as traditional GW orcs. Ach, I will not post anymore about it but I am honestly shocked that GW would axe basic Orcs like this. And the Common Goblins are already gone.

 Da Boss wrote:
Ironjaws are ugly garbage, and overpriced. Savage Orcs are fine, but they are not the same thing as traditional GW orcs. Ach, I will not post anymore about it but I am honestly shocked that GW would axe basic Orcs like this. And the Common Goblins are already gone.

Ironjaws are objectively better models than the current "orruks". You're entitled to your opinion but if they're axing the crappy orruk models then it's probably to replace them with something better. I just wish they'd redo the current 40k boyz too. They're the weak link in the current ork range and I say that as someone with 100 of them.

Rockgut Troggoths are probably my new favorite kit. The previews really didn’t do justice to the amount of possibilities in one box.

Zachectomy wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Ironjaws are ugly garbage, and overpriced. Savage Orcs are fine, but they are not the same thing as traditional GW orcs. Ach, I will not post anymore about it but I am honestly shocked that GW would axe basic Orcs like this. And the Common Goblins are already gone.

Ironjaws are objectively better models than the current "orruks". You're entitled to your opinion but if they're axing the crappy orruk models then it's probably to replace them with something better. I just wish they'd redo the current 40k boyz too. They're the weak link in the current ork range and I say that as someone with 100 of them.

Personally, I feel the Ork boyz kit still holds up well, and I say that as someone who has avoided collecting entire 40k armies due to the quality of some of their core unit choices against modern kits (CSM especially).

They could definitely redo them, but I'd really hope they keep the same basic proportions and character, just with more/new options. I know some people dislike the poses, but for me that is simply the pose Orks have, they aren't supposed to conform to human anatomical norms.

Zachectomy wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Ironjaws are ugly garbage, and overpriced. Savage Orcs are fine, but they are not the same thing as traditional GW orcs. Ach, I will not post anymore about it but I am honestly shocked that GW would axe basic Orcs like this. And the Common Goblins are already gone.

Ironjaws are objectively better models than the current "orruks". You're entitled to your opinion but if they're axing the crappy orruk models then it's probably to replace them with something better. I just wish they'd redo the current 40k boyz too. They're the weak link in the current ork range and I say that as someone with 100 of them.

I don't think the word objectively has any place in this discussion, but you are also entitled to your opinion. I hate the Ironjawz, I think they look terrible for a Fantasy game.

What? They're literally just heavier armoured versions of the older orcs.

 Da Boss wrote:

Zachectomy wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Ironjaws are ugly garbage, and overpriced. Savage Orcs are fine, but they are not the same thing as traditional GW orcs. Ach, I will not post anymore about it but I am honestly shocked that GW would axe basic Orcs like this. And the Common Goblins are already gone.

Ironjaws are objectively better models than the current "orruks". You're entitled to your opinion but if they're axing the crappy orruk models then it's probably to replace them with something better. I just wish they'd redo the current 40k boyz too. They're the weak link in the current ork range and I say that as someone with 100 of them.

I don't think the word objectively has any place in this discussion, but you are also entitled to your opinion. I hate the Ironjawz, I think they look terrible for a Fantasy game.

I second this opinion.
As much as I love what is now the "classic" orcs (and goblin) range, I can't stand the Ironjawz. I hate the armor design, the weapons, well... everything.
From the day they were realeased I feared that GW would axe the older range... Looks like this day has come.
Sad indeed.

The bright yellow doesn't do 'em any favours, but apart from that they look exactly like whatever Orcs in full plate armour were called. There's one of them in the Made to Order list.

I genuinely don't get how folk can look at the Ironjawz and say "those are basically the same as Orcs". They have radically different anatomy - Orcs are modelled on great apes, the Orruks look like hunchbacked bodybuilders with rickets.

The detailing on the newer kit is obviously sharper, but Ironjawz have about as much in common with an Orc as a Gobbo does.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I genuinely don't get how folk can look at the Ironjawz and say "those are basically the same as Orcs". They have radically different anatomy - Orcs are modelled on great apes, the Orruks look like hunchbacked bodybuilders with rickets.

The detailing on the newer kit is obviously sharper, but Ironjawz have about as much in common with an Orc as a Gobbo does.

The change in anatomy was probably because AoS kits are more dynamic. The gorilla anatomy is fine but Orcs are supposed to move more like humans. Articulating the older proportions to the degree needed was probably more trouble than it was worth.

The new kits also lack the awful flat shoulder joint. Always makes me laugh when people praise the old kits for being poseable.

That black orc is pretty sweet. I'll probably grab that and a few shamans. I just got Azhag yesterday, so I'm not going to consider the Wyvren. I like the Azhag sculpt more anyway and I don't think you'd ever run 2 Wyvrens.

I think the Ironjawz kits look a lot better, as does our gaming group. Actually this is the first I've encountered of anyone who thinks the old ones look better.

I don't mind the classic Ape look but I feel that was partly a restriction of having to rank up your models due to square bases and how regiments worked backed then. With round bases freeing up space, as others have said, it gives more posing options for the models and I personally find the Ironjawz sculpts fantastic. I'm sad to see the old Greenskin range go if it is permanent, rather than them consolidating them either under Ironjawz or with regular gobbos to recreate the old Orcs and Goblins theme, but if it makes more space to expand Ironjawz I'm okay for that. If anything, I'd like more Ardboyz options since they seem more likely to use different types of weaponry than the less-crafting oriented brutes. It'd be great to see Ruglud's armoured orcs return with Ardboys with big crossbows or some other forms of weaponry.

Well I do prefer the older kit, I agree that design backs to 6th ed WH for the most part,
but I can't stand the anatomy used on the newer brutes and above all the armor
and weapon design.

For people who actually like the new style, more power to them.

I actually like the standard Orcs and Ardboyz (or Black Orcs if you are older like me) over the Brutes. I always thought the armor on the Brutes looks less like beaten metal and more like some sort of wierd crustacean shell strapped on.

But who am I kidding, I still have some of the old plastic Arrer Boys, and I love 'em.

JSG wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I genuinely don't get how folk can look at the Ironjawz and say "those are basically the same as Orcs". They have radically different anatomy - Orcs are modelled on great apes, the Orruks look like hunchbacked bodybuilders with rickets.

The detailing on the newer kit is obviously sharper, but Ironjawz have about as much in common with an Orc as a Gobbo does.

The change in anatomy was probably because AoS kits are more dynamic. The gorilla anatomy is fine but Orcs are supposed to move more like humans. Articulating the older proportions to the degree needed was probably more trouble than it was worth.

The new kits also lack the awful flat shoulder joint. Always makes me laugh when people praise the old kits for being poseable.

Err, who says Orcs are meant to move like humans? Quite the reverse in my experience, the fiction is full of descriptions of their "loping gait" and apeish proportions, and the depictions of them in games follow that. In fact, a great example of how you can update the "classic" look very nicely is the second Warhammer Online cinematic trailer.

Regardless, it's a matter of taste, and for me unlike the more modern version of the classic "Chaos barbarian" style, the modern version of Orcs misses the mark.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually like the standard Orcs and Ardboyz (or Black Orcs if you are older like me) over the Brutes. I always thought the armor on the Brutes looks less like beaten metal and more like some sort of wierd crustacean shell strapped on.

But who am I kidding, I still have some of the old plastic Arrer Boys, and I love 'em.

Same here.

I like to think of Ironjawz as some type of Mok'nathal like in Warcraft, a kinda of hybrid style between Ogres and Orcs.

In my mind (And in the fluff to be honest) they are a completely different type of greenskin and they basically are just like black orcs where compared with normal orcs, and snotlings are to gnoblas and to hobgoblins and to goblins.

All orcs are beautiful.