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I liked the Diaz Demonettes. Not that the newer kit is bad or anything.

@ Binabik15

Slaanesh would be into gluttony wouldn’t it? I’m surprised there’s not a fat demonette model. A canbalistic one or something.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Yeah, that bothers me about these new terrain pieces, too. Especially if both armies in a game take one. Like they lined up for battle, and then just waited while both sides constructed their terrain pieces before starting the battle. Or even if you end up playing a scenario where one side is attacking, but they have their giant furnace with them somehow. Maybe the slaanesh thing floats or something.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I liked the Diaz Demonettes. Not that the newer kit is bad or anything.

@ Binabik15

Slaanesh would be into gluttony wouldn’t it? I’m surprised there’s not a fat demonette model. A canbalistic one or something.

It would.

And anorexia, bulimia, everything.

There was a very nice short story back in the Old World where a rich merchant had developed a taste for fine dining and imported the finest and most exotic foodstuffs his trading contacts could source. He got hooked on a very delicious white meat from far away. In the end he was a huge, bloated, ogre like mutant.

Don't forget most armies would have forges and smiths and ranks of carts and tents and "camp followers" and a whole baggage train. Heck you wouldn't march in full armour on the way to the battle (typically).

So a large forge or other terrain feature is actually quite easy to envision being brought along.


Of course in AoS some armies get away without - Stormcast appear able to go for days wearing armour and fighting without much in the way of a supply chain; demons can be summoned to the battlefield; skaven can break a gnawhole through etc...

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I liked the Diaz Demonettes. Not that the newer kit is bad or anything.

@ Binabik15

Slaanesh would be into gluttony wouldn’t it? I’m surprised there’s not a fat demonette model. A canbalistic one or something.

It would.

And anorexia, bulimia, everything.

There was a very nice short story back in the Old World where a rich merchant had developed a taste for fine dining and imported the finest and most exotic foodstuffs his trading contacts could source. He got hooked on a very delicious white meat from far away. In the end he was a huge, bloated, ogre like mutant.

Slaanesh as a god of excess would promote anything taken to extremes. The RPG Black Crusade Slaanesh adventure/supplement The Tome of Excess gave two examples of how gluttony might be done by a Slaanesh follower. One would be through quantity, such as sheer amount of stuff consumed, extending into things normally considered inedible. The second possibility was consumption focused on the rareness of the ingredients.

Iracundus wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I liked the Diaz Demonettes. Not that the newer kit is bad or anything.

@ Binabik15

Slaanesh would be into gluttony wouldn’t it? I’m surprised there’s not a fat demonette model. A canbalistic one or something.

It would.

And anorexia, bulimia, everything.

There was a very nice short story back in the Old World where a rich merchant had developed a taste for fine dining and imported the finest and most exotic foodstuffs his trading contacts could source. He got hooked on a very delicious white meat from far away. In the end he was a huge, bloated, ogre like mutant.

Slaanesh as a god of excess would promote anything taken to extremes. The RPG Black Crusade Slaanesh adventure/supplement The Tome of Excess gave two examples of how gluttony might be done by a Slaanesh follower. One would be through quantity, such as sheer amount of stuff consumed, extending into things normally considered inedible. The second possibility was consumption focused on the rareness of the ingredients.

I wonder where that guy that used to ear airplanes would fit on this scale?

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
The Diaz daemonettes also had the good luck of following these...



... anything looked better than those huge lobster claws

I like the massive lobster claws

Not on everyone and I also like the Diaznettes, so a MIX of beautiful and ugly, grace and grotesque, slicing claws and lobster crabs. It's not like having a fat demonette, a super tall, a very buff one, a pole dancer and a beast(wo)man 'nette and other body type variations would be excessive for, well, the god of excess.

I’m also a fan of the big lobster claws. Like the kits are old, but I like the style behind them and wouldn’t be opposed to seeing them sculpted with modern techniques for crisper detailing. I also super loved the Diaznettes and their whole look. My complaint for those would be the claws were often not much of a claw, and frequently had a hand instead. Give me Diaznettes with giant lobster claws.


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Oh, for the current plastics, I overall don’t like them. I’m not opposed to the Idea behind their design, but I think the execution of it failed.

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget most armies would have forges and smiths and ranks of carts and tents and "camp followers" and a whole baggage train. Heck you wouldn't march in full armour on the way to the battle (typically).

So a large forge or other terrain feature is actually quite easy to envision being brought along.


Of course in AoS some armies get away without - Stormcast appear able to go for days wearing armour and fighting without much in the way of a supply chain; demons can be summoned to the battlefield; skaven can break a gnawhole through etc...

Look at that forge and tell me they just had it along in the baggage train.


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 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Yeah, that bothers me about these new terrain pieces, too. Especially if both armies in a game take one. Like they lined up for battle, and then just waited while both sides constructed their terrain pieces before starting the battle. Or even if you end up playing a scenario where one side is attacking, but they have their giant furnace with them somehow. Maybe the slaanesh thing floats or something.

I am ok with the like of the Slaanesh portal, because it makes sense that it would be summoned out from nowhere as the battle began. This is the same as the Khorne and Nurgle features--they weren't there before but were conjured into being. Wyldwoods and Idoneth shipwrecks are the same way.

Iracundus wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I liked the Diaz Demonettes. Not that the newer kit is bad or anything.

@ Binabik15

Slaanesh would be into gluttony wouldn’t it? I’m surprised there’s not a fat demonette model. A canbalistic one or something.

It would.

And anorexia, bulimia, everything.

There was a very nice short story back in the Old World where a rich merchant had developed a taste for fine dining and imported the finest and most exotic foodstuffs his trading contacts could source. He got hooked on a very delicious white meat from far away. In the end he was a huge, bloated, ogre like mutant.

Slaanesh as a god of excess would promote anything taken to extremes. The RPG Black Crusade Slaanesh adventure/supplement The Tome of Excess gave two examples of how gluttony might be done by a Slaanesh follower. One would be through quantity, such as sheer amount of stuff consumed, extending into things normally considered inedible. The second possibility was consumption focused on the rareness of the ingredients.

That's pretty cool. I'm thinking about doing a super fat Obliterator or Havoc (or maybe both) with MoS with the weird FW Noise Marine head full of tubes, because that looks somewhat chubby, too. Or the weird Hellraiser/God Hand head from the DG Termis ( this one).

And because I only have 6 Diaznettes, I'm really itching now to hunt some of those 5th edition WHFB ones down and mix them with the Diaznettes. And maybe a plaguebearer or two with the sores and guts cleaned up, an Esher head and some crab claws and/or witch elf knives.

Weirdly, I also think an ascetic could easily turn into a hardcore follower of Slaanesh. Sensation by deprivation. Helmet without without eyeholes and other stuff I can't think about right now. As a sorceror, maybe?

I Think the modern plastic 'nettes are great. They combine aspects of feminine with the odd as I would expect from their description as disturbingly beautiful.

So far my plans for this release are suitably modest: one of everything we've seen plus an extra KOS.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

To be fair you can say that about Tyrion. There's a lot of people in AoS who should be dead but aren't because magic.

Tyrion got better before the end. Being pulled into the Realm of Chaos doesn't necessarily mean death.

I can't explain Teclis though. HE exploded.

I wouldn't try. A man flew through space holding a giant molten rock.

 Binabik15 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

It would.

And anorexia, bulimia, everything.

There was a very nice short story back in the Old World where a rich merchant had developed a taste for fine dining and imported the finest and most exotic foodstuffs his trading contacts could source. He got hooked on a very delicious white meat from far away. In the end he was a huge, bloated, ogre like mutant.

Slaanesh as a god of excess would promote anything taken to extremes. The RPG Black Crusade Slaanesh adventure/supplement The Tome of Excess gave two examples of how gluttony might be done by a Slaanesh follower. One would be through quantity, such as sheer amount of stuff consumed, extending into things normally considered inedible. The second possibility was consumption focused on the rareness of the ingredients.

That's pretty cool. I'm thinking about doing a super fat Obliterator or Havoc (or maybe both) with MoS with the weird FW Noise Marine head full of tubes, because that looks somewhat chubby, too. Or the weird Hellraiser/God Hand head from the DG Termis ( this one).

Someone did an okay conversion with the old Greasus Goldtooth model. If you google Greasus Goldtooth and Slaanesh, it'll pop up. He's riding a wheelchair/tank Greasus is OOP now, but if you wanted to try something similar, you can find him reasonably priced on ebay.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Yeah, that bothers me about these new terrain pieces, too. Especially if both armies in a game take one. Like they lined up for battle, and then just waited while both sides constructed their terrain pieces before starting the battle. Or even if you end up playing a scenario where one side is attacking, but they have their giant furnace with them somehow. Maybe the slaanesh thing floats or something.

Historically alot of battles begin with a long period of time as both sides get everyone into position, setting up lines and deploying - add in magic and it seems fine to me

Iracundus wrote:
Slaanesh as a god of excess would promote anything taken to extremes. The RPG Black Crusade Slaanesh adventure/supplement The Tome of Excess gave two examples of how gluttony might be done by a Slaanesh follower. One would be through quantity, such as sheer amount of stuff consumed, extending into things normally considered inedible. The second possibility was consumption focused on the rareness of the ingredients.

The 6 assassins in that book are all based on the 7 deadly sin (with wrath removed - that was a bit too Khorne-y), showing how one can base their entire existence on envy, avarice or pride.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The 6 assassins in that book are all based on the 7 deadly sin (with wrath removed - that was a bit too Khorne-y), showing how one can base their entire existence on envy, avarice or pride.

Associating Slaanesh with a classical christian teachings of cardinal sins sounds super-stupid. It's literally one of the main appeals of the 40K chaos pantheon that it's in-universe background isn't curiously based on the naughty list of medival scholars, despite having originally been designed to include some old-ish DnD figures and such GW made at the time.

There's a lot of Catholicism wrapped into 40K, why should Chaos be any different?

And here I was thinking it just make for some interesting assassin's cliques and was a nice way of showing different kinds of obsession.

The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Its AOS. Breaking immersion is pretty par for the course. Its there more for the ooh cool factor even though realism or how iit would really have gotten there to begin with I doubt is ever considered (and after having my ass tore out about complaining about immersion breaking rules, I suspect most of the fan base loves this kind of thing anyhow)

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Yeah, that bothers me about these new terrain pieces, too. Especially if both armies in a game take one. Like they lined up for battle, and then just waited while both sides constructed their terrain pieces before starting the battle. Or even if you end up playing a scenario where one side is attacking, but they have their giant furnace with them somehow. Maybe the slaanesh thing floats or something.

Historically alot of battles begin with a long period of time as both sides get everyone into position, setting up lines and deploying - add in magic and it seems fine to me

These aren't really battles. These aren't huge armies that require a large baggage train. Shouldn't take long to get like a few dozen guys into position. And why would you stand around doing nothing while you watched you enemy get their forge or magical boulder set up on the front lines? Why not just go kill them before they finish while they're distracted?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Yeah, that bothers me about these new terrain pieces, too. Especially if both armies in a game take one. Like they lined up for battle, and then just waited while both sides constructed their terrain pieces before starting the battle. Or even if you end up playing a scenario where one side is attacking, but they have their giant furnace with them somehow. Maybe the slaanesh thing floats or something.

Historically alot of battles begin with a long period of time as both sides get everyone into position, setting up lines and deploying - add in magic and it seems fine to me

These aren't really battles. These aren't huge armies that require a large baggage train. Shouldn't take long to get like a few dozen guys into position. And why would you stand around doing nothing while you watched you enemy get their forge or magical boulder set up on the front lines? Why not just go kill them before they finish while they're distracted?

Good upbringing and gentlemanly conduct? We aren't savages here, you know.

Typically if you got there first you set up in the best position so while superficially attractive to go and bash your opponent while they set up it would often mean giving up the advantage of the hill/marshy ground protecting your flank, access to drinking water etc

Plus some of those sneeky gits might pretend to be fiddling around setting up camp or whatever while a hidden second force waited to counter your attack

Yeah no, armies are not hauling around and building 15+ foot structures right before a battle. Just no. I am generally pretty flexible with justifying things, but 'its part of the baggage train' does not fly here by any means. To say nothing of the loonshrine.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Typically if you got there first you set up in the best position so while superficially attractive to go and bash your opponent while they set up it would often mean giving up the advantage of the hill/marshy ground protecting your flank, access to drinking water etc

Plus some of those sneeky gits might pretend to be fiddling around setting up camp or whatever while a hidden second force waited to counter your attack

I am sure that Khornate warhorde will wait patiently while those Fyreslayers build a forge. Or those Beastmen launching an ambush. Or countless other armies that simply do not conduct war that way.


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auticus wrote:

The terrain piece irks me in that it is a static structure; so they hauled it out and built it reallyreally fast before the battle? Most structures are 'summoned' but there are an increasing number that are just inexplicably there and it breaks immersion for me.

Its AOS. Breaking immersion is pretty par for the course. Its there more for the ooh cool factor even though realism or how iit would really have gotten there to begin with I doubt is ever considered (and after having my ass tore out about complaining about immersion breaking rules, I suspect most of the fan base loves this kind of thing anyhow)

For me there is a big difference between the actions of models breaking immersion and a model breaking immersion just from being there.

All of these wild forges and things strike me less like a 'fun unit to use' and more like 'just another kind of terrain'.

They strike me as “another thing you have to buy,” with their rules incorporated into the game, rather than flavorful additions to the terrain options.

I like the terrain. Not for the rules, but for the modeling opportunities for things like Armies on Parade and other themed dioramas.

 Geifer wrote:

These aren't really battles. These aren't huge armies that require a large baggage train. Shouldn't take long to get like a few dozen guys into position. And why would you stand around doing nothing while you watched you enemy get their forge or magical boulder set up on the front lines? Why not just go kill them before they finish while they're distracted?

Good upbringing and gentlemanly conduct? We aren't savages here, you know.

LOL - Well said, and exalted!

We wage war quite civilly here in the Mortal Realms - they'll be time enough to kill everyone over there once they're finished setting up.

Now - to the tea!

So I posted this in the 40K Daemons thread, but no-one is interested so I'll try it here;

So here's a screen-grab of the Warhammer Community video;



and here's The Violet Heart, who in terms of height is a stock Zarakynel, next to a Daemonette;



Am I taking crazy pills, or do the sizes look similar? Granted, new KoS is stood straight while Zarakynel's pose is all a bit 'done a poo' but the actual minis seem the same size to me.

Of course, this is all based on the assumption that the Infernal Enrapturess is a roughly similar size to a Daemonette.

Personally I've always viewed it that the models we play with represent regiments and armies rather than actual numbers on the table. That way it makes sense that my unit of skaven is going toe to toe with Nagash. Because that 30 rat unit is in fact 300 or more. Of course such assumptions mean that there's variation - a troop unit might represent more than a hero; whilst different armies will be represented differently. One skaven will equal many more than one stormcast. It's a messy and not precise imagination.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I am sure that Khornate warhorde will wait patiently while those Fyreslayers build a forge. Or those Beastmen launching an ambush. Or countless other armies that simply do not conduct war that way.

Unless the other army got there first and pitched camp so that they could define the battlefield against the approaching crazed Khorne Army. Or perhaps the lord of Khorne eyes the army and wishes to capture the relic forge and thus waits until it is built before launching an attack and hoping to steal it with an overwhelming victory. Perhaps only some of the Khorne army is there and the rest is still marching to join up. Even orks will wait for reinforcements or plot and scheme to ensure the battle goes in their favour.

In general you have to use a bit of imagination

The enrapturess is bigger than a daemonette. Not by a lot, but she is bigger.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yeah no, armies are not hauling around and building 15+ foot structures right before a battle. Just no. I am generally pretty flexible with justifying things, but 'its part of the baggage train' does not fly here by any means. To say nothing of the loonshrine.

What do you think the armies are fighting over? Dirt? Is it that hard to imagine that those Fyreslayers are on the defensive trying to protect a forge on the edge of their city?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
The enrapturess is bigger than a daemonette. Not by a lot, but she is bigger.

They're actually the same height from base to head (not counting the horns or the harp).

So yes, the KoS from FW is about the same size than the new plastic one. They would be easily compatible.