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GW could also easily release some ambush battleplans with a simple "no faction terrain allowed" rule.

Well the term 'pitched battles' is just a rules category, we don't know the context for any of the battles. Good point though.

Anyways this discussion is probably better suited for AoS general discussion rather than news & rumors, maybe we can take it over there?

Fyreslayers on preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/07/coming-soon-fyreslayers/

The Doomseeker gets a rerelease

I would be for battleplans that disallow special terrain. I like mixing things up.

So taking a closer look, the magma wall seems more like a conversion of the crystal wall than a new miniature. The lava spout seems like the angle is wrong as compared to how the fluid is coming off the back. Both seem to have rushed paint jobs; not the quality I would expect. The spout paint looks just... Very bad to me outright.

But the magma elemental is so awesome I don't care. It is big, but not super big, and very stout as befits a duardin conjuring. And it really looks like it is showing up to beat some face in, while being made of fire to boot! The spike design is perfect (stout, dwarfish looking spikes) and the paint choice works well to show off the detail.

Im just hoping they make the magmadroth a creature to be feared as at the moment hes not that good outside of his breath weapon.

While I think Fyreslayers were one of the releases that really did need some more units, I am hoping this battletome bodes well for them.

They are a very cool army, but they need a lot of help!

Skullhammer wrote:
Im just hoping they make the magmadroth a creature to be feared as at the moment hes not that good outside of his breath weapon.

The 'droth is good, it's paying too much for the guy on its back that hurts them. Runesmiter (the cheap one) on droth outperforms quite a lot of other monsters.

One of the earlier previews mentioned "packs of Magmadroths", IIRC. Can the model be constructed without a rider? If so, unridden 'droths might be a new unit choice.

Magma guy should just be a proper unit, he's wasted as a spell.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Magma guy should just be a proper unit, he's wasted as a spell.

I agree, would be really cool as an actual unit. There could be hope though, as it could be a unit that is essentially deployed via summon.

 DaveC wrote:
The Doomseeker gets a rerelease

Yeah, what happened there? I have no interest in Fyreslayers and I already have that one from Silver Tower. He's even painted.

But I thought they eventually just released the Silver Tower heroes on their own and that was that. I just checked and the Darkoath Chieftain is available as expected, if direct only.

What happened to the dwarf? Was he just out of stock and they're trying to upsell his return or was he really just gone?

GaroRobe wrote:
Would people bother getting them if they weren't free? I'm not sure how often 40k army specific terrain gets used on the table, seeing as how it costs point. Tau tidewalls? Probably. The Chaos Stargate and Eldar portal? I dunno.

Compared to past AoS terrain, I actually like the Forge. Though, I feel like it's odd in an army dedicated to Grimnir, since Grugni is the smith god. I get that they forge runes and put them in their skin, but still. I hope Dispossessed will get something (I'm not counting on it)

Well solution therefore would be to make them worth the points. Not like say the imperial knight or ork ones where opponent would happily pay for it from his OWN army if you were obliged to actually use it...

No wonder people don't use them when they are so bad you wouldn't take them even for free! ;-)

No idea how good the AOS terrain piece rules are though. But 40k has plenty of so bad that it's literally not worth any points.

Then comes cost of wasting entire detachment(of max 3) to fortification detachment that doesn't bring CP. So even if they were free points they wouldn't be free but would cost you CP. And certain armies like orks are often so thirsty on CP having even 1 detachment be 1 CP(nevermind 0) is expensive.

40k ones cost point AND cost potential for CP. And top of that some have so bad rules that you are actively hindering yourself by using them. Best use for knight one is in fact LOS blocking for your non-knight allies!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/08/battletome-fyreslayers-the-big-changes/

fyreslayers with 2 wounds!

Neat. They've actually become dangerous now.

And as it stands right now the ability to get 2+ save and with a priest rerollable.

zamerion wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/08/battletome-fyreslayers-the-big-changes/

fyreslayers with 2 wounds!

And the ability to attack even when slain. Love it!

And weapons with zero structural integrity... am I the only person that this bothers? Not only us the main structural support hollowed out and virtually non-existent, but it's also on fire, reducing its effectiveness even more. Gah

zamerion wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/08/battletome-fyreslayers-the-big-changes/

fyreslayers with 2 wounds!

It fits what they look like and how they are in the fluff. It also makes them a nifty parallel to bonesplittaz. I want to start a splittaz army that mimics fyreslayer motifs now. Hopefully it will also mean increasing the point costs on those units, in turn meaning less models (!) needed for an army. Currently the mass of very expensive infantry models is a huge barrier to running fyreslayers, and I think there would be a net increase in sales should they reduce that burden because of players starting armies when they otherwise would not have.

auticus wrote:
And as it stands right now the ability to get 2+ save and with a priest rerollable.

Seriously doubt that will still be a thing.

This bodes well so far for Fyreslayers. I really like the rules so far.

Funny how just a single more wound can change perception, can't it ? But yes I agree, they're more fitting with 2 wounds each. Also justifies for their 32 mm base in comparison to the other duardins (granted, with the exception of the Grundstok Thunderers).

Hearthguard Berserkers also hit harder, and have 2'' range. That is huge ! They now can strike while being behind their brother's front line, lots of dirty tricks to do with them now. I expect them to go up in points dramatically, which is fine given their price in money.

Now I wonder if they will announce unmounted Magmadroths as a separate entry...That Lofnir lodge's specific wording makes me doubt, now.

We need to see the whole book in context but i'm sure with 100% of my being that there is something busted hiding within those covers.

FEC are now super strong so I don't doubt fyreslayers can become strong to (do doubt they'll ever get kharadron overlords right though)

 Alexonian wrote:
FEC are now super strong so I don't doubt fyreslayers can become strong to (do doubt they'll ever get kharadron overlords right though)

I don't know about that. Give KO an additional battleline like Endrinriggers. Increase the saves of all the Skyvessels by +1, and give the Aether Navigator some worthwhile rules.

Making the skyvessels work like garrisons could single-handedly fix KO. But I imagine they will get fleshed out a bit more with some re-balancing of options, making sky ports work like proper sub-factions, etc.


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auticus wrote:
We need to see the whole book in context but i'm sure with 100% of my being that there is something busted hiding within those covers.

I remember thinking the same with BoC, and yeah, there is, but overall its a good battletome.

I figured the same with Gloomspite and there was nothing, even the worst element is pretty tame.

So went into the FEC & Skaven release all optimistic and... that happened.

Then Khorne came out and was really well done on multiple levels.

So I really can't be surprised here.

Thats where my train of thought comes too. Its a roller coaster, so the last book that dropped (khorne) was pretty ok, meaning the next book should be over the top busted (and that fits in with them for the most part keeping chaos at pretty ok because slaanesh would drop after and the roller coaster would put them at pretty ok if that pattern holds)

Magmic Invocations article is up
Warscrolls for 'em too!

Vulkites lose their "special" save

https://twitter.com/_devianttactics/status/1115537555624218625

Flame-spitter is gonna ruin my skellie hordes.

zamerion wrote:
Vulkites lose their "special" save

https://twitter.com/_devianttactics/status/1115537555624218625

So we're clear:

This is saying that Vulkite Berzerkers are losing their "When suffering damage, roll--if successful ignore the damage" save.
Which makes sense given that Berserk Fury allows you to make the whole unit(no matter the size!) once per game able to pile in and attack, even if the model was slain.