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pm713 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I have to say the only thing I dislike about Magmadroths is their really old-world style "chairs" that they are ridden with. They just look so unsuitable for battle having a dwarf sitting on a little high backed chair atop a rolling powerful beast of a dragon.

It's one design choice I've never liked - heck the old dragons had huge backs to their dragon chairs - if the dragons were ever in flight those chair backs must have been like putting the brakes on the whole time due to the wind resistance.

I find them appropriately overdone for a throne. I find the name FyreSLAYER the weird part personally.

They're warhammer slayers. Not calling them that is dropping an identifiable part of the brand, one of its most recognisable parts. That they're now part fire and naked greek wrestlers is the weird part.

Voss wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I have to say the only thing I dislike about Magmadroths is their really old-world style "chairs" that they are ridden with. They just look so unsuitable for battle having a dwarf sitting on a little high backed chair atop a rolling powerful beast of a dragon.

It's one design choice I've never liked - heck the old dragons had huge backs to their dragon chairs - if the dragons were ever in flight those chair backs must have been like putting the brakes on the whole time due to the wind resistance.

I find them appropriately overdone for a throne. I find the name FyreSLAYER the weird part personally.

They're warhammer slayers. Not calling them that is dropping an identifiable part of the brand, one of its most recognisable parts. That they're now part fire and naked greek wrestlers is the weird part.

That's why I dislike it. They aren't slayers. They have no Slayer Oath, none of the old worship of Grimnir and none of the wider culture. They're a completely different thing. Which is completely fine but calling them Slayers is like me giving you an orange and telling you it's an apple.

What's weird is that Dispossessed still have Slayers. They're just called Unforged and they're just unstable duardin.

And Fyreslayers also have Slayers, a la that rereleased Silver Tower model. Whose fluff is basically just Old World Slayers]

KO don't have slayer variants, since they're all just a bunch of oathbreakers

The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

The most important part of the look of the miniatures was the orange mohawk and no armor and axes. The most important part of their identity was the taking the slayer oath to redeem themselves from a prior shame.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Their aesthetic was the mohawk. Their character was to make up for shame they were dying in battle by seeking the most dangerous thing there because that was the dwarfen way and had been since the War of Vengeance. The smaller parts of their identity was rituals like bungee jumping and worshipping Grimnir. But now they're happy to literally steal Grimnirs power who has somehow died in a way I find inexplicable, work for Chaos because they want gold and build cities.

Stealing your gods power is not worship, working for Chaos is incredibly against what Slayers would do and building a city doesn't help you find a worthy doom.

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

Agreed 100%

pm713 wrote:

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

That's why their name is Fyreslayers, and not just Slayers. They're not Slayers. They don't seek death for their past mistakes, they want to get closer to their god.

So yeah, the helmet is just a wink. It felt weird at first, I don't deny it, but now it grew on me.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Just to say, with that Greek style helmet I think they actually look a lot better with black hair as in that one picture in the preview article.

Fyreslayers are just goofy as all get out. Why they went and gave them helms, and took away their trousers, and embedded them with gold runes, And thought that all was a good idea, I’ll never know. But they’re good for a chuckle.

Dread Master wrote:
Why they went and gave them helms, and took away their trousers, and embedded them with gold runes, And thought that all was a good idea, I’ll never know.

For the same reason they're called "Fyreslayers" now, no doubt.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Why they went and gave them helms, and took away their trousers, and embedded them with gold runes, And thought that all was a good idea, I’ll never know.

For the same reason they're called "Fyreslayers" now, no doubt.

I actually think they are pretty cool. I like the idea of crazy-gold and fire fueled berzerker dwarves. If the Tome is pretty good, and I can reduce the model count some I may start collecting them.

 Sarouan wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

That's why their name is Fyreslayers, and not just Slayers. They're not Slayers. They don't seek death for their past mistakes, they want to get closer to their god.

So yeah, the helmet is just a wink. It felt weird at first, I don't deny it, but now it grew on me.

Fyreslayer is pretty bad when there's nothing slayer in them.

 Sasori wrote:
I actually think they are pretty cool. I like the idea of crazy-gold and fire fueled berzerker dwarves. If the Tome is pretty good, and I can reduce the model count some I may start collecting them.

Well that's just a matter of taste. Personally I think Fyreslyrys are the most Kirby-esque of all of AoS, something far removed from its original concept just because the original concept isn't something you can slap a million ™s on. The extreme expense of their infantry and virtual complete lack of any posing whatsoever also paints them with a big Kirby brush.

But as I said, that's just a matter of taste.

Personally I hope that one of their special rules is called "Fyre Fystivyl".

Taking away their pants was a strange move...

 Alpharius wrote:
Taking away their pants was a strange move...

Naw it makes sense to me - its building on the idea of the heat of the faction. That the earth boils and turns to magma; that they ride atop burning dragoncritters; that they beat burning metals into their bodies. They don't need clothing for anything more than the most mundane of decency and (extravagant) practicality. They burn from the inside, their bodies are raging with rage and heat and dwarfish grumpiness.

 Alpharius wrote:
Taking away their pants was a strange move...

I'm pretty sure I've seen Slayer cheeks in Warhammer Fantasy long before Fyreslayers were a thing.

Let's face it, those pants only exist for the benefit of worried parents anyway. The only thing a true Slayer needs to wear is blue body paint.

 Geifer wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Taking away their pants was a strange move...

I'm pretty sure I've seen Slayer cheeks in Warhammer Fantasy long before Fyreslayers were a thing.

Let's face it, those pants only exist for the benefit of worried parents anyway. The only thing a true Slayer needs to wear is blue body paint.

And the blood of his vanquished foes.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Why they went and gave them helms, and took away their trousers, and embedded them with gold runes, And thought that all was a good idea, I’ll never know.

For the same reason they're called "Fyreslayers" now, no doubt.

I actually think they are pretty cool. I like the idea of crazy-gold and fire fueled berzerker dwarves. If the Tome is pretty good, and I can reduce the model count some I may start collecting them.

Gotta agree. I run them in Nightvault to get my little orange anger hit. Doubt I'd ever get round to making a full army though... there's too much Death out there.

 lare2 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Why they went and gave them helms, and took away their trousers, and embedded them with gold runes, And thought that all was a good idea, I’ll never know.

For the same reason they're called "Fyreslayers" now, no doubt.

I actually think they are pretty cool. I like the idea of crazy-gold and fire fueled berzerker dwarves. If the Tome is pretty good, and I can reduce the model count some I may start collecting them.

Gotta agree. I run them in Nightvault to get my little orange anger hit. Doubt I'd ever get round to making a full army though... there's too much Death out there.

I agree as well. I find them a lot more interesting than the old Slayers. Their running off to get killed after some supposed slight got dull after the first few times. I'd consider an army if I wasn't in the middle of my Daughters of Khaine right now. Painting two skin heavy armies at the same time would not do my sanity well.

https://www.focus-home.com/en/news/1938-focus-home-interactive

These videogames may be interesting, specially the age of sigmar one.

 Mothman wrote:

new art

Am I the only one who sees the daemonette on the right-hand side, and wonders if she's about to yell for someone to fetch her walker? The wrinkles on her face make her look like she's the equivalent of a human in its 60s (if not older).

They have quite a Warcraft female ork look to their faces



Which is sort of neat if you consider the Tolkien history link between orks and elves of that world and how Warhammer today has evolved from it.

pm713 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Their aesthetic was the mohawk. Their character was to make up for shame they were dying in battle by seeking the most dangerous thing there because that was the dwarfen way and had been since the War of Vengeance. The smaller parts of their identity was rituals like bungee jumping and worshipping Grimnir. But now they're happy to literally steal Grimnirs power who has somehow died in a way I find inexplicable, work for Chaos because they want gold and build cities.

Stealing your gods power is not worship, working for Chaos is incredibly against what Slayers would do and building a city doesn't help you find a worthy doom.

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

Gotrek said pretty much the same thing - he has as little to do with them as possible.

 Overread wrote:
They have quite a Warcraft female ork look to their faces



Which is sort of neat if you consider the Tolkien history link between orks and elves of that world and how Warhammer today has evolved from it.

Sure, in general facial structure. But I don't remember orc (no 'k' since it's Warcraft...) faces looking that old and decrepit - unless the orc in question was old and decrepit, of course. This daemonette looks like she's well past the wrong side of 50.

Well daemonettes have always been seducers that look pretty on first glance but on closer inspection are hideous slashing fiends.

So the fluff is indeed that the forge is summoned to the battlefield. It may seem small but I really appreciate that move, one big thanks to GW.

pm713 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Their aesthetic was the mohawk. Their character was to make up for shame they were dying in battle by seeking the most dangerous thing there because that was the dwarfen way and had been since the War of Vengeance. The smaller parts of their identity was rituals like bungee jumping and worshipping Grimnir. But now they're happy to literally steal Grimnirs power who has somehow died in a way I find inexplicable, work for Chaos because they want gold and build cities.

Stealing your gods power is not worship, working for Chaos is incredibly against what Slayers would do and building a city doesn't help you find a worthy doom.

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

Sorry I was being sarcastic and forgot to label it as such. I do agree with you.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So the fluff is indeed that the forge is summoned to the battlefield. It may seem small but I really appreciate that move, one big thanks to GW.

pm713 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Their aesthetic was the mohawk. Their character was to make up for shame they were dying in battle by seeking the most dangerous thing there because that was the dwarfen way and had been since the War of Vengeance. The smaller parts of their identity was rituals like bungee jumping and worshipping Grimnir. But now they're happy to literally steal Grimnirs power who has somehow died in a way I find inexplicable, work for Chaos because they want gold and build cities.

Stealing your gods power is not worship, working for Chaos is incredibly against what Slayers would do and building a city doesn't help you find a worthy doom.

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

Sorry I was being sarcastic and forgot to label it as such. I do agree with you.

Oh that's my bad. I'm sorry if I came across as being harsh.


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Sotahullu wrote:
Well daemonettes have always been seducers that look pretty on first glance but on closer inspection are hideous slashing fiends.

One of my favourite parts of Warhammer Fantasy lore (I think it's from Daemonslayer) is where Daemonettes are assaulting a city wall and even though everybody sees them as monsters they think they're beautiful and run towards them, killing each other to be first there.

Eumerin wrote:

 Mothman wrote:

new art

Am I the only one who sees the daemonette on the right-hand side, and wonders if she's about to yell for someone to fetch her walker? The wrinkles on her face make her look like she's the equivalent of a human in its 60s (if not older).

Nah... She's just snarling at something off screen. It's a Buffy monster face thing, their just putting their game faces on. When you look at the minis the are both snarling and placid looking faces. Plus Daemonettes can morph body parts at will, like changing claws to human hands, etc.

pm713 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So the fluff is indeed that the forge is summoned to the battlefield. It may seem small but I really appreciate that move, one big thanks to GW.

pm713 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The most important part of the slayer identity was an immense orange mohawk and oversized axes, so I don't see how someone could look at Fyreslayers and say they do not hold true to what a slayer is.

Their aesthetic was the mohawk. Their character was to make up for shame they were dying in battle by seeking the most dangerous thing there because that was the dwarfen way and had been since the War of Vengeance. The smaller parts of their identity was rituals like bungee jumping and worshipping Grimnir. But now they're happy to literally steal Grimnirs power who has somehow died in a way I find inexplicable, work for Chaos because they want gold and build cities.

Stealing your gods power is not worship, working for Chaos is incredibly against what Slayers would do and building a city doesn't help you find a worthy doom.

Fyreslayers aren't slayers at all, they're directly opposed to what Slayers did at times. I'm not saying they're a bad faction lorewise or that they should be removed or anything like that. I'm just saying Fyreslayers is a bad name for things that aren't slayers.

Sorry I was being sarcastic and forgot to label it as such. I do agree with you.

Oh that's my bad. I'm sorry if I came across as being harsh.

Not at all, it was well said.