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2019/04/27 19:05:25
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Overread wrote: To be fair if chaos mortals are your thing sounds like you're more wiating for Slaves to Darkness Battletome
The other gods have their own mortals. What makes it worse is the fact that the keeper's command ability won't even work on slaves to darkness since it works off the hendonite keyword. Stop trying to justify GW's mishandling of this release. For many the loss our lords have caused them to lose all interest in the tome.
Mortals are our window into the setting. For christ sake they haven't even reboxed the hellstriders. This book is a gloried daemon battletome.
The keeper's ability only worked on daemons before, so that isn't a change.
DaveC wrote: Also for those thinking the Fane can be assembled without the face the face sits into the portal so not so easy.
Smoothing it out with a bit of putty should be easier than carving the face off would have been.
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2019/04/27 19:22:13
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Well, I bought all the new stuff on pre-order. Just one KOS for now, though. I want to experiment with the parts first before buying another as I'll probably be doing some heavy conversion work and re-posing. It wasn't to bad I came in under $300 for everything with shipping.
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2019/04/27 19:22:59
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Overread wrote: To be fair if chaos mortals are your thing sounds like you're more wiating for Slaves to Darkness Battletome
The other gods have their own mortals. What makes it worse is the fact that the keeper's command ability won't even work on slaves to darkness since it works off the hendonite keyword. Stop trying to justify GW's mishandling of this release. For many the loss our lords have caused them to lose all interest in the tome.
Mortals are our window into the setting. For christ sake they haven't even reboxed the hellstriders. This book is a gloried daemon battletome.
The keeper's ability only worked on daemons before, so that isn't a change.
It works on hellstriders because they have the hedonite keyword. My point is people yell at us to do slaves to darkness if we want more mortals. The issue is the clear lack of syrnegy for slaves to darkness in the book and vice versa.
GW could of made it affect all chaos mortals like the daemon prince character but chose not to. Unless you are doing daemons the book is bare bones. Lets not forget the lack of syrnergy the hellstriders have with slaves to darkness as well.
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2019/04/27 19:26:32
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Sylvaneth are an army that has tempted me since before AoS with the WE Tree lord model, and the Gloomspite do look like fun. So this new box(if it is one) could definitely get added to my pile.
2019/04/27 21:09:43
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
If Gloomspite is coming next week then it seems that really was all there was for the Slaanesh release, no second week of reveals like some speculated.
2019/04/27 21:10:34
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Ghaz wrote: I'm looking forward to the Gloomspite side of the box. I'm hoping for a new Loonboss on a Giant Cave Squig and a new Madcap Shaman.
From the Art, this looks like the case!
The art we have looks like it could be a Loonboss or a Boingrot Bounder. It's not clear enough to make a call either way, but we'll hopefully know tomorrow.
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2019/04/27 21:12:29
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Overread wrote: To be fair if chaos mortals are your thing sounds like you're more wiating for Slaves to Darkness Battletome
The other gods have their own mortals. What makes it worse is the fact that the keeper's command ability won't even work on slaves to darkness since it works off the hendonite keyword. Stop trying to justify GW's mishandling of this release. For many the loss our lords have caused them to lose all interest in the tome.
Mortals are our window into the setting. For christ sake they haven't even reboxed the hellstriders. This book is a gloried daemon battletome.
The keeper's ability only worked on daemons before, so that isn't a change.
It works on hellstriders because they have the hedonite keyword. My point is people yell at us to do slaves to darkness if we want more mortals. The issue is the clear lack of syrnegy for slaves to darkness in the book and vice versa.
GW could of made it affect all chaos mortals like the daemon prince character but chose not to. Unless you are doing daemons the book is bare bones. Lets not forget the lack of syrnergy the hellstriders have with slaves to darkness as well.
Hellstriders have the daemon keyword, still no change. Everything the book got that benefits Mortal Slaanesh or just Slaanesh benefits marked StDs so there is a considerable amount of synergy in there for them. Hellstriders do have good synergy with StDs as fast melee cavalry--marauder horsemen are fast but can't hold up in melee (and are best run with javelins), while chaos knights are much slower.
It sucks (hard) that the book does not have mono-Slaanesh mortal support (and it sucks especially hard that 2/3 of such units got dropped) but it is still important to criticize rules based on what they are.
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Did the other god books prevent allying with each other or is this the first one?
Did GW just release a boxed set then stop the battle tomes for those models allying?
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2019/04/27 23:00:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Overread wrote: To be fair if chaos mortals are your thing sounds like you're more wiating for Slaves to Darkness Battletome
The other gods have their own mortals. What makes it worse is the fact that the keeper's command ability won't even work on slaves to darkness since it works off the hendonite keyword. Stop trying to justify GW's mishandling of this release. For many the loss our lords have caused them to lose all interest in the tome.
Mortals are our window into the setting. For christ sake they haven't even reboxed the hellstriders. This book is a gloried daemon battletome.
The keeper's ability only worked on daemons before, so that isn't a change.
It works on hellstriders because they have the hedonite keyword. My point is people yell at us to do slaves to darkness if we want more mortals. The issue is the clear lack of syrnegy for slaves to darkness in the book and vice versa.
GW could of made it affect all chaos mortals like the daemon prince character but chose not to. Unless you are doing daemons the book is bare bones. Lets not forget the lack of syrnergy the hellstriders have with slaves to darkness as well.
Hellstriders have the daemon keyword, still no change. Everything the book got that benefits Mortal Slaanesh or just Slaanesh benefits marked StDs so there is a considerable amount of synergy in there for them. Hellstriders do have good synergy with StDs as fast melee cavalry--marauder horsemen are fast but can't hold up in melee (and are best run with javelins), while chaos knights are much slower.
It sucks (hard) that the book does not have mono-Slaanesh mortal support (and it sucks especially hard that 2/3 of such units got dropped) but it is still important to criticize rules based on what they are.
They no longer have the daemon keyword. They have the hedonite keyword.
my criticism is they should focus more on the chaos slaanesh keyword so that our new models can work with slaves to darkness because GW in their infinite wisdom decided to barely give us anything for those who run mainly humans. Doesn't help either that those who want hellstriders have to put up extra money because they didn't bother to rebase them either considering they are batteline units.
Honestly this complaint would almost be non-existent if they didn't axe our slaanesh chaos lords.
Edit:*Sigh*, sorry to snap at you I don't like getting salty. >_< Working on grabbing the warscrolls for those who want them. Perhaps doing something productive will help ease my annoyance.
The warscrolls for the chaos lord on foot and daemonic mount is STILL UP. Found them through google, it's the first two links GRAB THEM NOW.
If you are playing with friends, I think they would be more than happy to let you use the warscrolls/old points or perhaps people can convert their own lords. I already downloaded them.
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2019/04/27 23:32:53
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Overread wrote: To be fair if chaos mortals are your thing sounds like you're more wiating for Slaves to Darkness Battletome
The other gods have their own mortals. What makes it worse is the fact that the keeper's command ability won't even work on slaves to darkness since it works off the hendonite keyword. Stop trying to justify GW's mishandling of this release. For many the loss our lords have caused them to lose all interest in the tome.
Mortals are our window into the setting. For christ sake they haven't even reboxed the hellstriders. This book is a gloried daemon battletome.
The keeper's ability only worked on daemons before, so that isn't a change.
It works on hellstriders because they have the hedonite keyword. My point is people yell at us to do slaves to darkness if we want more mortals. The issue is the clear lack of syrnegy for slaves to darkness in the book and vice versa.
GW could of made it affect all chaos mortals like the daemon prince character but chose not to. Unless you are doing daemons the book is bare bones. Lets not forget the lack of syrnergy the hellstriders have with slaves to darkness as well.
Hellstriders have the daemon keyword, still no change. Everything the book got that benefits Mortal Slaanesh or just Slaanesh benefits marked StDs so there is a considerable amount of synergy in there for them. Hellstriders do have good synergy with StDs as fast melee cavalry--marauder horsemen are fast but can't hold up in melee (and are best run with javelins), while chaos knights are much slower.
It sucks (hard) that the book does not have mono-Slaanesh mortal support (and it sucks especially hard that 2/3 of such units got dropped) but it is still important to criticize rules based on what they are.
They no longer have the daemon keyword. They have the hedonite keyword.
Had* apologies. The point being that the Keeper command ability could previously hit daemons and hellstriders but not StDs, something it still does. One can argue that it SHOULD affect any Slaanesh, I am just saying it never did so that is not a change. If I had to guess I'd say there will be new mortal hedonite models one day and they are pre-preemptively addressing that.
My criticism is they should focus more on the chaos slaanesh keyword so that our new models can work with slaves to darkness because GW in their infinite wisdom decided to barely give us anything for those who run mainly humans.
Yeah, I think they should have done more to enable STDs. Especially considering that all Slaanesh has on the mortal side barring hellstriders.
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Baragash wrote: Did the other god books prevent allying with each other or is this the first one?
Did GW just release a boxed set then stop the battle tomes for those models allying?
There are limits to what Khorne can ally with.
Such as?
I don’t play AoS.
I was considering a Slaanesh/Khorne alliance based on W&R so I don’t end up shelving a load of Daemonettes when the book eventually gets re-released in 2-3 years with some mortal kits, but that looks like a non-starter, unless I wait until GA Chaos is updated?
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2019/04/27 23:42:32
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Baragash wrote: Did the other god books prevent allying with each other or is this the first one?
Did GW just release a boxed set then stop the battle tomes for those models allying?
There are limits to what Khorne can ally with.
Such as?
I don’t play AoS.
I was considering a Slaanesh/Khorne alliance based on W&R so I don’t end up shelving a load of Daemonettes when the book eventually gets re-released in 2-3 years with some mortal kits, but that looks like a non-starter, unless I wait until GA Chaos is updated?
If you want to run them in the same army you will need to do generic Chaos allegiance; the only god each can't ally with is each other.
Ignoring for a second the discussion on the shocking variety of Nurgle and Tzeench mortal armies (which consist of blightkings+blightkings on flies and arcanites and tzaangors as far as units go, for staggering 2 units per god)
Maybe mortals will just go into their own book later on? I can see StD having much wider selection of god-themed but mortal units for all sides of the pointy start personally.
2019/04/27 23:51:37
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Cronch wrote: Ignoring for a second the discussion on the shocking variety of Nurgle and Tzeench mortal armies (which consist of blightkings+blightkings on flies and arcanites and tzaangors as far as units go, for staggering 2 units per god)
Maybe mortals will just go into their own book later on? I can see StD having much wider selection of god-themed but mortal units for all sides of the pointy start personally.
They have way more than that if you add in the heroes as well and how you can kit them out especially blight kings. This post is quite disingenuous in my opinion.
2019/04/28 01:07:44
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
Blightkings are all one weapon option; hellstriders have more mechanical variety than they do.
Anyways, the character diversity needs to be included in the picture, that is the place Nurgle rotbringers shine in variety. There is also the matter of how "mortals" is defined; the keyword, or simply mono-god options that are not daemons (or only have the daemon keyword due to their mount) Tzaangors don't have the mortal keyword, for example.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Blightkings are all one weapon option; hellstriders have more mechanical variety than they do.
Anyways, the character diversity needs to be included in the picture, that is the place Nurgle rotbringers shine in variety. There is also the matter of how "mortals" is defined; the keyword, or simply mono-god options that are not daemons (or only have the daemon keyword due to their mount) Tzaangors don't have the mortal keyword, for example.
Yup, I should of been more clear the diversity and how you can tinker with the look of each blight king is pretty great.
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2019/04/28 02:20:50
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
nagash42 wrote: Yeah but each group got to keep their mounted lords while GW purposely removed Slaanesh lords.
Each god has mortal units in their book except Slaanesh. Tzeentch even got to repurpose a named character into a standard one.
All Slaanesh got was 3 new characters and endless spells/terrain
I was a lot more forgiving before I found out they were dropping those two. Slaanesh mortals, even just from using StDs + Hellstriders, did get a lot of new tools here. But it's lame mono-slaanesh mortals did not get new models, and downright sucks that they lost two of their three options. Great times for the daemon side though with a bunch of new hero options and improved diversity of the ones already available. Herald on Hellmower has me seriously tempted. If there is a way to make hellmowers battleline...
Can someone explain to me how the mark of slaanesh works? If a unit outside the hedonites book has a mark of slaanesh can they be added to the army like any unit from the book without being counted as allies? Would adding say a slaanesh marked soulgrinder take the hedonites of slaanesh allegiance abilitys away? As soulgrinders are currently not in a section that can be taken as allies for the hedonites book.
P. S. I will move this to the AOS chat if this is not the place to ask this.
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2019/04/28 05:06:46
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumors : Hedonists of Slaanesh
It would be better for the AoS general discussion forum, but the answer is simple anyways; yes. The four god-specific allegiances are based off the Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh keywords specifically. Note that there is no "Maggotkin" or "Disciples" keyword. So if it has the Slaanesh keyword, it is part of the allegiance. Marked StDs and Chaos Daemons have the keyword, so they are fully part of the allegiance and not allies.
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