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Well that's dumb.

stratigo wrote:
It’s a beautiful model, and often that’s enough of a reason to play with it. It is why I would take it out for a spin. The problem is that unless you rock three, one will collect every las cannon, Melta, bright lance, or other anti tank gun on the table, and even non competitive play can collect a lot of that

I thought that was exactly why you always hold it in reserve and deep strike it with FGLTC.

Hopefully the index for talons will be out sooner rather than later. Really looking forward to rules for some more of that heresy and some pts drops for the existing stuff.

Picked up the telemon recently. My god it's a beautiful model and is a lottt of fun in game.

Forge world is massively fethed up right now, so don’t count on anything. They are waaaaay behind on literally everything based on their 40k and heresy range

Yea, hopes and dreams of a larger index of the other custodies models is long dead. We would be lucky if we got even beta rules this year

I need help from all you Custodians. I am building a first army for my son and he wants to get into warhammer competitively and hes a mono army kinda guy.

I know that custodes struggle as a mono force but what are some good builds for 2000 points and are musts.

I told him from my limited knowledge of custodes that one detachment outrider one shield captain on bike with 3 units of 3 bikers is a must am I wrong?

No, there isn't a must.

Bikes are the best unit overall in the codex, but you can certainly win without spamming them.

Custodes happen to be one of the cheapest armies to build as well, so definitely not the worst startup army.


two box's of guardians gets you 3 squads of 3 troops and a vexillus (banner guy). You can then pick up one box of the jetbikes and make 2 biker captains for your HQ's. That's a very nice battalion and is a good core for any custodies list for $180.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
No, there isn't a must.

Bikes are the best unit overall in the codex, but you can certainly win without spamming them.

Custodes happen to be one of the cheapest armies to build as well, so definitely not the worst startup army.


two box's of guardians gets you 3 squads of 3 troops and a vexillus (banner guy). You can then pick up one box of the jetbikes and make 2 biker captains for your HQ's. That's a very nice battalion and is a good core for any custodies list for $180.

Bike spam is required to be semi competitive. I suggest a battalion of three by three guard, three bike captains, a vexilus, and a squad of nine bikes

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2019/01/leaked-new-winged-custodes.html?m=1

Reasons to be excited?

 Ideasweasel wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2019/01/leaked-new-winged-custodes.html?m=1

Reasons to be excited?

Well they are almost certainly HH, being called Legio Custodes units and judging by the tech. There's a faint glimmer of hope for 40k in that these guy might be tied in with the release of the Custodes, SoS and GK index coming from FW. But I'm not getting excited just yet.

Spartacus wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2019/01/leaked-new-winged-custodes.html?m=1

Reasons to be excited?

Well they are almost certainly HH, being called Legio Custodes units and judging by the tech. There's a faint glimmer of hope for 40k in that these guy might be tied in with the release of the Custodes, SoS and GK index coming from FW. But I'm not getting excited just yet.

It was confirmed on the Forge World Facebook page that they will be released with 40K rules. But the rules will only be for these models and not the Talons book.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2019/01/leaked-new-winged-custodes.html?m=1

Reasons to be excited?

Nope....

To be honest, I'd rather have something a tad bit more shoot-ier! Custodes have the H2H combat thing down already. I don't see jump units giving any real value to the 40K side of things since jetbikes and Teleporting make up for speed....at least IMHO.

Dakka is what AC is lacking and Dakka is what is needed..


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Speaking of Adeptus Custodes, I'm currently in a campaign league and not doing too badly. With 3 weeks down, I've managed to win my games at 500pts (two) and 750pts (one). We are now getting into the 1000pts week and I'm a starting to wonder if this is where things may go wrong for the Custodes.

I think I've had success BECAUSE of the low points and high stats of these guys vs most Codices troopers. The quality of my opponent's troops at lower point games tend to be lower in stats (mostly) compared to a basic Custodes Guardian. I've managed to win the attrition game for now, even with the games being all objective based. But with that said, now we'll be going into a higher points bracket which usually means more vehicles. That also usually means more and better AP weaponry. Something I'll be lacking (shooting-wise) since I think bringing a Land Raider to a fight at this level would be very risky. Even Bikers seem too risky at this point. (I know, I said bikers are risky... ). Maybe a Venerable Dread?

What do you Shield Captains out there think about point levels and Custodes success rates? Is it better at lower points or worse for you? Should I just stick to Infantry for now?

A bunch of 40k beta rules for Custodes have just gone up on the Forgeworld site, most of the HH range now has rules!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forgeworld_Custodes_Datasheets.pdf

str00dles1 wrote:
So I just checked the download from warhammer community.

A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought is a single model. It is equipped with two Telemon Caestus, two twin plasma ejectors and a Spiculus bolt launcher. Only one Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may be taken in an army.WEAPON

That's what it says in description. So only 1 an army

I just checked the new beta rules they just put out, and that restriction appears to be gone.

These new points costs and units are super super exciting.

My personal bet for a new “plug and play” Imperium detachment is Trajann, 3 Telemon and a -1 to hit banner. Costs just under 1200 points, but it’s one hell of a “come at me” castle.

The Aquillon Terminators look super interesting with the 12” flamer at str 6, -1. Bit expensive for the units though.

Galatus is touch and go I think, pretty cheap, but only str 7 in combat is just mind boggling.
I think someone said the Orion is like 432 points which seems ok, but it’ll be a massive target on the table top if you load it up with 7 Infantry and a Dreadnought.
Not too sure about the new flying guys. 3+ armour save at 62-66 points a model seems criminally over costed. They do count -1ap weapons as ap0 though.

Going to be interesting!

Kdash wrote:
Not too sure about the new flying guys. 3+ armour save at 62-66 points a model seems criminally over costed. They do count -1ap weapons as ap0 though.

The 3+ save is a little baffling to me, I've got to be honest. I understand it from a fluff perspective, but as you say, at the price point it feels really hard to justify over other options available (Dawneagle bikes...). It just makes them more vulnerable to the Custodes' greatest weakness, weight of fire.

Jarval wrote:

Kdash wrote:
Not too sure about the new flying guys. 3+ armour save at 62-66 points a model seems criminally over costed. They do count -1ap weapons as ap0 though.

The 3+ save is a little baffling to me, I've got to be honest. I understand it from a fluff perspective, but as you say, at the price point it feels really hard to justify over other options available (Dawneagle bikes...). It just makes them more vulnerable to the Custodes' greatest weakness, weight of fire.

I also just did a check on 5 Sagittarum. Works out at 3 points more expensive than a Telemon dreadnought, and has weaker horde clearing shots (but with an additional 3 shots).

Storn cannon array or culverins in new update? Culverins seem to take a big hit.

Twin Storm cannons by far. 4x S9 -4AP Dmg3 shots with rerolls to wound should reasonably expect to kill a Leman russ commander per turn if next to a shield captain. Considering the Telemons great durability stayed the same as before, and the price went down, the Telemon with Storm Cannons is now A-Tier anti-tank, where it was still a kind of multipurpose heavy dakka before. It can still kill trash infantry ok, but some types of targets it will struggle against. The Culverins howver just aren't versatile enough anymore against the most common targets, with only S7 and 4 shots each.

Bit bummed that the Sagittarum aren't troops, they're cool but I don't really see much room for them to be honest, nor the jump pack guys(and where's the double pistol loadout D.

Just great to see fresh new rules and units to think about though. Im sure there will be plenty of interesting ways to make use of some of these things.

Sagittarum seem the ideal place to actually take a misericordia: Assault heavy bolters plus a bunch of S5 power sword attacks.

 cole1114 wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
So I just checked the download from warhammer community.

A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought is a single model. It is equipped with two Telemon Caestus, two twin plasma ejectors and a Spiculus bolt launcher. Only one Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may be taken in an army.WEAPON

That's what it says in description. So only 1 an army

I just checked the new beta rules they just put out, and that restriction appears to be gone.

It's gone!

Though it doesn't seem any of the new guys get +1 invuln.

Audustum wrote:
It's gone!

Though it doesn't seem any of the new guys get +1 invuln.

The Emperor's Chosen is an army-wide rule that applies to all Infantry and Biker units with the Adeptus Custodes faction keyword, so it should apply to all of the relevant Forge World units as well. (As long as they're in a Battle-Forged detachment.)

Jarval wrote:

Audustum wrote:
It's gone!

Though it doesn't seem any of the new guys get +1 invuln.

The Emperor's Chosen is an army-wide rule that applies to all Infantry and Biker units with the Adeptus Custodes faction keyword, so it should apply to all of the relevant Forge World units as well. (As long as they're in a Battle-Forged detachment.)

Derp, right. Hurray there then!

I actually really like the look of the Aquilon.

i don't get why the Twin Arachnus heavy blaze cannon on the Caladius Grav-tank has less range and shots then the Telemon with it's Arachnus storm cannon.

the tank is much bigger as a platform and should pack a bigger punsh.

It's a shame you can't take double fist Telemons. I'd of happily taken a Mr. Fisto.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame you can't take double fist Telemons. I'd of happily taken a Mr. Fisto.

you can. costs 40 points

Holy. The point drop on the Telemon is nuts. 180 base + Illiastus is dropping to 25 per arm. I feel like I’m reading this wrong. Wow.

 nordsturmking wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It's a shame you can't take double fist Telemons. I'd of happily taken a Mr. Fisto.

you can. costs 40 points

Oh, duh. Misread.

Assuming an appropriate cost, the gunners would actually have a legit role, which is exciting.

Jump pack dudes are lame. That's a shame.

I don't really know what the roles of the other dudes are so I can't really comment. Seems like just random variations of wargear here and there, but the 12" Flamer option dudes would mostly likely have a place. Somewhere.

KampfKrote wrote:
Holy. The point drop on the Telemon is nuts. 180 base + Illiastus is dropping to 25 per arm. I feel like I’m reading this wrong. Wow.

You partially are, but not by a lot. It's 180 base + 50 for the two Illiastus and then 12 for the Spiculus. 242 total. With Arachnus Storm he's 272.

With re-rolling wounds against vehicles being part of the Arachnus Storm weapons, you can probably just take a regular or Allarus Captain instead of Trajann. Wounds re-roll is wasted.

The Caladius Grav-Tank is now Heavy Support instead of Fast Attack. With the Twin Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon it's 220 points. I think it's definitely worth bringing one since it can move + shoot and subtracts 2 from enemy charges (use it to wall off part of your Telemons, it still has Fly so it can Fall Back and shoot even if they get in melee). It costs 220 points.

So an 'affordable' (in Custodes terms) Spearhead could be:

Shield-Captain (Axe): 114
Telemon with Arachnus Storms: 272
Telemon with Arachnus Storms: 272
Caladius: 220
Total: 878


EDIT: Actually, the Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon is 10 points cheaper and averages slightly more wounds against a 3++ Imperial Knight. Might want that instead on a Caladius.