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The PA comes out this weekend right?

Still not any Custodes news :(

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Yes.

There's whole bunch of factions covered. All factions will get preview before saturday. Same as every PA book

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tneva82 wrote:
Yes.

There's whole bunch of factions covered. All factions will get preview before saturday. Same as every PA book


Fair enough, just seemed like quite a squeeze to fit Custodes, SoS and Assassins all into 2 days, considering Chaos have had a full 3 days of previews now.

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nemesis464 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Yes.

There's whole bunch of factions covered. All factions will get preview before saturday. Same as every PA book


Fair enough, just seemed like quite a squeeze to fit Custodes, SoS and Assassins all into 2 days, considering Chaos have had a full 3 days of previews now.


Each PA book has had one faction get the lion share of the upgrades. In this case, it appears to be Death Guard.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is the heavy weapons that all random dice equal max hits? Because that is a massive let down. We don't have much in the way of random shot heavy weapons. The Plasma Flamers are nice for anti hordem but that telemon will get nuked on the first turn, Also, given GW's threat to re-do all FW model rules, I doubt you will see this thing survive it's current state in 8th into 9th. 24 S7 AP3 autohitting shots? Yeah, call me crazy but I don't see that making the cut.


We can safely tell it's not blanket random shots is blast. For starter rulebook will have appendix telling by weapon which has blast. Not needed if it's blanket. Also blast can't be used in melee and heavy flamers were called out as nasty for vehicles in melee


So Punishers with 3 heavy flamers is what 350ish points, jesus. That is disgusting for charging hordes now.
   
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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is the heavy weapons that all random dice equal max hits? Because that is a massive let down. We don't have much in the way of random shot heavy weapons. The Plasma Flamers are nice for anti hordem but that telemon will get nuked on the first turn, Also, given GW's threat to re-do all FW model rules, I doubt you will see this thing survive it's current state in 8th into 9th. 24 S7 AP3 autohitting shots? Yeah, call me crazy but I don't see that making the cut.


We can safely tell it's not blanket random shots is blast. For starter rulebook will have appendix telling by weapon which has blast. Not needed if it's blanket. Also blast can't be used in melee and heavy flamers were called out as nasty for vehicles in melee


So Punishers with 3 heavy flamers is what 350ish points, jesus. That is disgusting for charging hordes now.


Where do you get the number 350 from? A Punisher with 3 heavy flamers is 179p ATM and with the 20 percent point increase in 9th it will be 200ish
   
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One would hope it's more than 20% for that sort of seeing the things it is killing are getting more than 20%...Then again GW isn't being subtle in pricing so having hordes suffering nerfs AND getting higher than average point increase % fits the bill

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From the Twitch stream:
Shield Hosts will get warlord trait and relic's and strat's.
Dreadnoughts can become characters.
Chapter-master like upgrade strat for Shield-captains to make them shield-captain -commander with different ability's.
SoS can be in a detachment with Custodes. The detachment will still be a Custodes detachment it works like incubi in a drukhari detachment
And lots of new strats. One of them lets a unit make heroic intervention.
assassin rules will also be in war of the spider and will be updated. But no details on those. Guess we already new that

I am so pumped

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Also warlord traits and relics too! Just to be explicit on that.


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/11/new-rules-for-the-imperiumgw-homepage-post-2/

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Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high

That Lockwarden Warlord Trait paired with Victor of the Blood games could make for a very interesting Dawneagle Jetbike Captain to assassinate enemy characters.

Considering the trait, that means most HQs only get a 5+ invuln save. If they don't have an invuln, anything but 2+ armor, has no save at all......now if only we could get past those stupid d3 damage rolls.

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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. 
   
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From the Twitch stream:

SoS can be in a detachment with Custodes. The detachment will still be a Custodes detachment it works like incubi in a drukhari detachment

Drukhari Obsession are like chapters or shield-host

From the codex:

BLADES FOR HIRE DRUKHARI BEASTS, INCUBI, Mandrakes and Scourges units can be included in a Drukhari Detachment without preventing other units in that Detachment from gaining a Drukhari Obsession. Note, however, that these units listed can never themselves benefit from a Drukhari Obsession.

So that means SoS can be in a Custodes detachment without negatively affecting the Custodes. but the SoS don't get the inv. save


   
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I didn't see any mention of Shield Hosts getting chapter tactics equivalent rules. Did they mention if they would get anything like that on the stream or just specific relics, WLTs, and stratagem?
   
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I think a big winner for the "Superior Fire Patterns" stratagem is going to be Aquilon Terminators. Their storm bolters are rapid fire weapons, which will go from Rapid Fire 2, to Rapid Fire 4, giving you a whopping 8 str 5 AP-1 shots per model out of deep strike.

Not too shabby.

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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. 
   
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Venetari and Allarus shooting at characters are gonna love it too!
   
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I hope there’s a lot more to come, felt a bit underwhelming.

Our already-top-tier bike captain became stronger and there’s a good shooting stratagem for a small handful of units, but no sign of the army-wide rules we badly need.
   
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nemesis464 wrote:
I hope there’s a lot more to come, felt a bit underwhelming.

Our already-top-tier bike captain became stronger and there’s a good shooting stratagem for a small handful of units, but no sign of the army-wide rules we badly need.

all points will change so that could help us. And they said the will be Shield Host and i think there will be sub faction rules for those.
   
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Well I'm rather suspicious about the shield host rules. The article says there will be a (as in singular) stratagem, relic and warlord trait.
No mention of a shield host specific trait that applies to all units who belong to said shield host....

To me the stuff revealed so far seems...fine I guess? Making our characters better at killing stuff and/or more durable won't fix our most glaring issues.
But hey, we haven't seen everything so maybe I'm suspicous about the whole thing for no reason.

I really hope we get an advance and charge stratagem for our units though.

Edit: I meant of course a singular strat, relic and warlord trait per shield host

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I don't think they have ever listed new things in a preview but omitted a huge arny-changing feature without a hint. I could be wrong, but when they say Shield Hosts unlock a strat, relic, and warlord trait, I believe they mean just that. It's the same as Thousand Sons, who can choose from 9 different cults, none of which unlock any army-wide benefits :( Still, I'm stoked to see the rest of what we gain
   
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My main hope is that the FW units are brought into line with the GW models. Some of the FW units are pretty overcosted (Venatari), and are overall lacking compared to what you pay for them. The Strats are nice, and I doubt we'll see a full re-boot of the datasheets, but here's what I'd like to see.

- Better ranged output from standard Custodes
- Change the DS Strat to "1CP per unit" instead of "1/3CP for 1/2 units".
- Access to better re-rolls, particularly wounds.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
My main hope is that the FW units are brought into line with the GW models. Some of the FW units are pretty overcosted (Venatari), and are overall lacking compared to what you pay for them. The Strats are nice, and I doubt we'll see a full re-boot of the datasheets, but here's what I'd like to see.

- Better ranged output from standard Custodes
- Change the DS Strat to "1CP per unit" instead of "1/3CP for 1/2 units".
- Access to better re-rolls, particularly wounds.


If my Galatus, Achillus and Venatari get better rules I'd be really, really happy. I'm skeptical though to be honest.

I agree with your points in general, though I feel what we need most of all is help charging. Advancing and charging (via a stratagem for example), and something to make charges from deepstrike more consistent. Those I feel would be the most important points.

All things aside the lockwarden warlord trait is really cool I think. I'm a bit doubtful that it is going to be worth it, but reducing the armor save as well as invuln save of enemy characters is really badass.
   
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I think the sister’s strat is probably one of the big winners...note that it’s after any denies. Having a way to shut down psychic stuff is going to help a lot. But I think the most useful preview is the heroic intervention for one CP. We already have the warlord trait, but being able to use it on any Custodes unit anywhere is a nice thing to have in your back pocket.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. 
   
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How do you read this strat? For one CP you basicly ignore everything except for LOS

Spoiler:


now that i have watched the preview another time and read everything again, i think will not get SM chapter like subfaction rules for the Shield Hosts :(

I am not native english speaker and in the twitch preview at 25:05 wade talk's about something with a WL trait and something about "adds to the attacks of the dread... reroll charge.." can anyone figure out waht he is saying? Thanks

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/647760405

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Assuming you can make a Telemon dreadnought a character as has been reported, you could give him the Lockwarden trait. It applies to ranged attacks as well, so if there's anything targetable with the character keyword he could blow it to smithereens with -1 invuln dakka.

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Superior Fire Patterns looks disgusting. Guess who's 3 boxes of unpainted bikes just became very relevant. Bikes now shoot possibly up to 24 shots each. For a squad of 3 thats 72 shots per shooting phase. Add in 2-4 more bikes in that unit, and thats a dead horde. Sisters are slightly less worthless than they were. Sword maidens are still hot garbage, bolter variants are cheap backfield objective campers, and the Witchseekers are not slightly less garbage where you need to waste a CP to get 4-6 shots per model. So from average 15 up to 19 hits, for 1 CP or 2 if the unit is over 6 models. Worthless. Still, I think the Caladus Tanks are going to be hot, and the bikes are back on top again. Can you give them the +2 attack ability or is that only the non-bike SC?

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Superior Fire Patterns is INFANTRY only
   
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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Superior Fire Patterns looks disgusting. Guess who's 3 boxes of unpainted bikes just became very relevant. Bikes now shoot possibly up to 24 shots each. For a squad of 3 thats 72 shots per shooting phase. Add in 2-4 more bikes in that unit, and thats a dead horde. Sisters are slightly less worthless than they were. Sword maidens are still hot garbage, bolter variants are cheap backfield objective campers, and the Witchseekers are not slightly less garbage where you need to waste a CP to get 4-6 shots per model. So from average 15 up to 19 hits, for 1 CP or 2 if the unit is over 6 models. Worthless. Still, I think the Caladus Tanks are going to be hot, and the bikes are back on top again. Can you give them the +2 attack ability or is that only the non-bike SC?


It's only useful for aquillons with their special storm bolters.
   
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 nordsturmking wrote:
How do you read this strat? For one CP you basicly ignore everything except for LOS

Spoiler:


now that i have watched the preview another time and read everything again, i think will not get SM chapter like subfaction rules for the Shield Hosts :(

I am not native english speaker and in the twitch preview at 25:05 wade talk's about something with a WL trait and something about "adds to the attacks of the dread... reroll charge.." can anyone figure out waht he is saying? Thanks

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/647760405


Does it ignore "cannot be wounded better than X+" type of things is what I'm trying to get my heads around. Is that negative modifier for to wound roll? I would say no but not 100% on that one.

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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Superior Fire Patterns looks disgusting. Guess who's 3 boxes of unpainted bikes just became very relevant. Bikes now shoot possibly up to 24 shots each. For a squad of 3 thats 72 shots per shooting phase. Add in 2-4 more bikes in that unit, and thats a dead horde. Sisters are slightly less worthless than they were. Sword maidens are still hot garbage, bolter variants are cheap backfield objective campers, and the Witchseekers are not slightly less garbage where you need to waste a CP to get 4-6 shots per model. So from average 15 up to 19 hits, for 1 CP or 2 if the unit is over 6 models. Worthless. Still, I think the Caladus Tanks are going to be hot, and the bikes are back on top again. Can you give them the +2 attack ability or is that only the non-bike SC?


The stratagem is keyed to "Adeptus Custodes Infantry', so sadly, we won't be able to use it on Bolter Bikes


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Spartacus wrote:
Assuming you can make a Telemon dreadnought a character as has been reported, you could give him the Lockwarden trait. It applies to ranged attacks as well, so if there's anything targetable with the character keyword he could blow it to smithereens with -1 invuln dakka.


Woah, i missed this entirely. I would use this every single bloody game.

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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. 
   
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Is it confirmed that dreadnoughts can be characters? I haven’t seen anything official about it so far
   
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Nothing official yet, just some vague words during the daily stream about something giving dreadnoughts more attacks and rerolling charges. I'd rein in the excitement about that in particular until we see something definitive.
   
 
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