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2020/11/20 07:35:44
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I want to try the dickbikes, but I am hesitant. Can a SC on a Vertus give them re-rolls, or does the FW barrier exist?
I don't see any reson why he couldn't. As of now the core keyword does nothing for custodes.
And even if it did, Agamatus Bikes have Core. Until an FAQ, all the auras in the codex affect “Adeptus Custodes” (except for the banner that helps out “Imperium”). In fact, Trajan is a great buffer for them if he can keep up.
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2020/11/21 16:48:53
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: I love the laser bikes. They give you the melee of bikes and the shooting of a Caladius. I've personally had better success with 2 3-man rather than 1 6-man, simply because the smaller units are killy enough to engage most stuff and you can spread out over more of the board.
I'd also say you need less stuff to take the "outer objectives" than you'd think, and the nature of 9th edition scoring means you have to get on the objectives early and a late-game push is probably going to be too late.
That's great to hear, I think I'll take the plunge with a couple of 3 man squads.
Fair point about the scoring, might have to re-think my tactics regarding the saggitarum guard. Hopefully with the smaller board size and a bit of clever positioning I can bridge the objectives in my deployment zone with those in the mid-field using the brick of saggitarum. As keeping them at the back would be a waste of their versatility and they really benefit from Trajann's aura.
2020/11/21 23:47:28
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So im thinking about changing up my dread host a bit. With the knowledge that my grav tanks are gonna be loosing their rerolls, im gonna try phasing them out. Its gonna change the way i play the list alot, not having the ability to blow units off backfield objectives as easily, but I think overall the army will be more thematic and might have a bit more staying power against erad spam and such.
So basically im giving up most of my long range shooting for more bodies and close combat potential. The basic plan is to run the telemon and one guard squad up one flank, and trajann, the vexilla, and the saggitarum guard up another flank. This only leaves me with one shield squad to hold my home objective, which is scary, but they are pretty tanky when you keep them out of LOS and in ruins so mabey it will work.
Deep strike the terminators and the termy captain. I'll be able to put the allarus and my captain into the opponents backfield for linebreaker and use the teleport homer with the vex to bring in the aquilons near trajann to blow out any threats on that flank.
Seem pretty solid or would you just give up one flank to the enemy to keep your backfield better protected?
Would it be better to run autocannon telemon to hold the backfield and just run the 2 guard squads up the weak flank instead?
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2020/11/22 01:08:30
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
@ragnorak I’m currently just running one 3-man squad in my list, along with 4 Venetari. I’ve had success as well with 3 regular bike plus 3 agamatus, you have a lot of flexibility in tailoring that fast attack slot to whatever kind of firepower you need...the one constant I’ve found is I need 2 fast things.
@Einlazer I’d actually recommend the opposite strategy...leave your sag guard to hold homefield since they can still shoot halfway across the board and with Ever Vigilant, overwatch on 5’s and Tanglefoot they aren’t getting shifted, whereas your shield guard need to be close in to contribute and that’s where that 1+/3++ will give you the most mileage.
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2020/11/24 09:20:51
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So has anyone had any experience with bringing 2 telemons in a 2k list since the forgeworld update?
I was thinking of running one with two iliastus as a gun platform with Trajann nearby (while he still can buff him since we know the telemon isn't core) and the second one with two fists in deepstrike along a terminator captain with all seeing annihilator.
It sounds fun, but is it worth it in your opinion? The telemon is powerful to be sure, but those two models would be a quarter of my army. Anyway here's the list:
Tiberias wrote: So has anyone had any experience with bringing 2 telemons in a 2k list since the forgeworld update?
I was thinking of running one with two iliastus as a gun platform with Trajann nearby (while he still can buff him since we know the telemon isn't core) and the second one with two fists in deepstrike along a terminator captain with all seeing annihilator.
It sounds fun, but is it worth it in your opinion? The telemon is powerful to be sure, but those two models would be a quarter of my army. Anyway here's the list:
I've done double telemon. I usually run one with the twin storm cannons, and the other with a cannon/fist in deep strike with eternal penitent.
I'd consider it (with my meta) to be relatively casual considering how many points everything costs. But YMMV.
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2020/11/25 18:41:48
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So, my cousin, who is also returning to the game, is collecting chaos knights. Given the high probability that i will end up playing him repeatedly, What do guys recommend for fighting knights? Im not really sure how to deal with them. I can't think of much we have that is going to be both able to hunt them and survive long enough to kill or cripple two or three knights
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2020/11/25 20:23:09
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
xerxeskingofking wrote: So, my cousin, who is also returning to the game, is collecting chaos knights. Given the high probability that i will end up playing him repeatedly, What do guys recommend for fighting knights? Im not really sure how to deal with them. I can't think of much we have that is going to be both able to hunt them and survive long enough to kill or cripple two or three knights
Aquilons wound Knights on 3's. A surprising amount of Knight guns are AP-2 so Armor and Adamantium should let you resist them on 2+. Basically, Aquilons, Aquilons, Aquilons. You can even use Slayer of Nightmares to give them +1 to wound and wound the Knights on 2's.
Telemons with double Arachnus might help too. They only wound on 4's but the beam profile re-rolls wound rolls against vehicles.
Don't forget you can Tanglefoot Knights too (only doesn't work on FLY, TITANIC is fine).
If you've got a bunch of Jetbikes they'll slam pretty hard into a Knight as well (just don't let the Knight go first with its stomp attacks because they can't Auramite and Adamantium). Sword+Board Custodians are great for holding objectives (remember, the shield's +1 to armor saves works in melee too, but you'll be a 3++ regardless).
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2020/11/26 00:18:10
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
xerxeskingofking wrote: So, my cousin, who is also returning to the game, is collecting chaos knights. Given the high probability that i will end up playing him repeatedly, What do guys recommend for fighting knights? Im not really sure how to deal with them. I can't think of much we have that is going to be both able to hunt them and survive long enough to kill or cripple two or three knights
Aqulion Terminator Fists with Slayers of Nightmares will wound on 2s, offering no saves, and with Trajann nearby, 4-5 will drop a full strength knight a turn.
Twin Caestus Telemon Dreadnought with Eternal Penitent and Wisdom of the Ancients will Hit on 2s, rerolling 1s, wounding on 2s (Str 16), at ap-3, flat 4 damage.
Best thing to tie a knight up are sword and board Custodian Guard, as they'll still get that sweet 3++ in melee, and you can make the knights wound them on 4s for 2CP.
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2020/11/26 03:30:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
If you run full Aquillons two things will happen: 1. You will likely win
2. He will likely stop playing entirely.
Custom tailoring a list to play against a family member is rough man. I would say if you care about them having a good time, take a TAC list. Knights as a rule in 9th are pretty much gonna lose on points due to not having the ability to hold objectives well. If you run a full TAC list you should have no problem roughing them up, and saving the friendship.
2020/11/26 03:45:41
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: If you run full Aquillons two things will happen: 1. You will likely win
2. He will likely stop playing entirely.
Custom tailoring a list to play against a family member is rough man. I would say if you care about them having a good time, take a TAC list. Knights as a rule in 9th are pretty much gonna lose on points due to not having the ability to hold objectives well. If you run a full TAC list you should have no problem roughing them up, and saving the friendship.
Thank you for this. This page was really depressing me with the excesses GW leaves in game.
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2020/11/26 08:13:48
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thanks for the advice, all of it. I get that if i go pure anti knight I could table him, i was curious about what options i had and was looking at maybe adding one option to my buying list. I was already looking at some of those options anyway, like the twin cannon telemon. I was already thinking about the aquillons, mainly because I can't get hold of any allarus type at the moment with the stock shortages.
I just don't have much general experience with this the modern game and I don't really know how deadly a knights list is, or what i have that can do enough damage to Matter against something that big.
Im not particularly worried about alienating him from the game or me, apart from anything else im still so new to his that i don't think ill be any better at playing the objectives than he is. I feel i must also point out hes in his 20s, and not a wide eyed 13 year old whose dreams i am about to crush.
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2020/11/26 08:21:11
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
ok, ive decided im getting a trio of aquilllions, becuase i cant get any GW custodes for love or money, and i can fit them into my planned future lists without too much worry.
last time i got anything form forge world like this (a leman russ Executioner turret, back in the tail end of 3rd ed over 15 years ago), i had to take actual hacksaw to it in order to get rid of casting artefacts to make it assemble. Has the quality of their resin casts gone up since then? Im not adverse to the odd cast line here or thier but if i'm going to have to file every single part in order to get it to fit together, i'd at least like to know now so i can get some tools to do that with, especially since i am planning on getting both the Telemon and the spear armed dread as well.
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2020/12/02 09:26:22
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
xerxeskingofking wrote: ok, ive decided im getting a trio of aquilllions, becuase i cant get any GW custodes for love or money, and i can fit them into my planned future lists without too much worry.
last time i got anything form forge world like this (a leman russ Executioner turret, back in the tail end of 3rd ed over 15 years ago), i had to take actual hacksaw to it in order to get rid of casting artefacts to make it assemble. Has the quality of their resin casts gone up since then? Im not adverse to the odd cast line here or thier but if i'm going to have to file every single part in order to get it to fit together, i'd at least like to know now so i can get some tools to do that with, especially since i am planning on getting both the Telemon and the spear armed dread as well.
It's really hit and miss. Their large models still generally need a bit of work but most of their troop/dread sized minis are fairly decent now. Still need a knife to trim mould lines but it's generally not too painful.
2020/12/02 12:14:51
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
2020/12/02 13:46:41
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
Fun random fact: Aquillons have a bigger base size (40mm vs. 50mm)!
2020/12/02 14:01:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
Fun random fact: Aquillons have a bigger base size (40mm vs. 50mm)!
Damn, sorry. I've actually never had anyone call me on my "counts as" but I've never been in a majorly competitive environment. YMMV.
2020/12/02 15:25:35
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
Truthfully? I can buy aquillons, but i can't buy allarus as they are out of stock and not likely to be in stock for many weeks. Id have bought Allarus them if i could, but im happy enough with the aquillons, and was planning on getting the Achillus dread anyway (i just plain like the model).
anyway, my rough 2k list is
Spoiler:
Shield cap with spear (warlord: Superior creation, Capt comd: Strategic mastermind)
Shield cap with Axe (capt comd: Swift as the Eagle)
5 spear guard
3 spear guard
5 sagittarum
3 aquillon (bolter and fist)
Contemptor Achillus (eternal Penitent)
Vexilus (spear, defensor)
3 vertus (either type)
telemon (twin storm cannons)
items in Green have already been purchases, and the rest are going to be as soon as christmas funds (and GW stocking) make it possible.
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2020/12/03 01:21:47
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
Fun random fact: Aquillons have a bigger base size (40mm vs. 50mm)!
Fun fact, I ordered 9 Aquillons. FW sent 9 40mm bases with them. I know that this is likely an error on their part, but I'm not buying new bases and rebasing
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2020/12/03 02:30:32
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Just run Allarus "Counts as" anyone who is there to play a game should have zero problem. Same base size, general height is the same, you can't really argue advantage.
Fun random fact: Aquillons have a bigger base size (40mm vs. 50mm)!
Fun fact, I ordered 9 Aquillons. FW sent 9 40mm bases with them. I know that this is likely an error on their part, but I'm not buying new bases and rebasing
Ha! That does seem to be an error. Site says 50MM (and I think mine are bigger too). I definitely sympathize though.
2020/12/03 09:19:28
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Yeah - My Aquilons came in on 50mm as well when i got mine.
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2020/12/03 17:09:27
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
They are supposed to be on 50's. Its more a throwback to 30k, as all custodes have a 3" coherancy in 30k. 6 aquillons can spread out to cover a pretty large area with their 50mm bases and 3" coherancy.
In the Fluff they are used as bodyguards for the most important people in the imperium i believe so im disapointed they didnt get either a bodyguard rule or an extra wound.
I definitely am not complaining about the points reduction though. I can run them with destructors now for the same price they were previously with daggers pretty much.
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2020/12/03 20:39:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
2020/12/03 21:21:10
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
Telemons, according to the FW site, are supllied with a 100mm base.
the custodes Contemptors are on a 60MM base, the same size as the FW contemptors and GW plastic SM dreads.
the guardian varients are all conversion kits to the base plastic guardian kits, so you they should be the same base size as the standard guardians.
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2020/12/04 06:33:53
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
Telemons, according to the FW site, are supllied with a 100mm base.
the custodes Contemptors are on a 60MM base, the same size as the FW contemptors and GW plastic SM dreads.
the guardian varients are all conversion kits to the base plastic guardian kits, so you they should be the same base size as the standard guardians.
If I recall, Guardians and Sag get a bit wonky. If you buy the upgrade sprues, your Guardians and Sag have the same base, but if you just straight buy Sag, their base is smaller than a Guardian's.
Don't feel hinky though Fezzik. As long as your opponent was fine with it it's not a big deal. I did something similar on Tabletop Simulator because I couldn't find good models.
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2020/12/04 09:05:40
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
The Telemon is also much larger than a the other Custodes dreads.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
Telemons, according to the FW site, are supllied with a 100mm base.
the custodes Contemptors are on a 60MM base, the same size as the FW contemptors and GW plastic SM dreads.
the guardian varients are all conversion kits to the base plastic guardian kits, so you they should be the same base size as the standard guardians.
If I recall, Guardians and Sag get a bit wonky. If you buy the upgrade sprues, your Guardians and Sag have the same base, but if you just straight buy Sag, their base is smaller than a Guardian's.
Don't feel hinky though Fezzik. As long as your opponent was fine with it it's not a big deal. I did something similar on Tabletop Simulator because I couldn't find good models.
This is not true Sags come with 40mm bases unless you some how got the wrong bases.
All Custodes infantry models are on 40mm bases except for Aquilon which are on 50mm
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2020/12/04 12:04:02
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
The Telemon is also much larger than a the other Custodes dreads.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Feeling kinda hinky now, I've been playing "counts -as" for a while with GW as FW models, does this extrend past terminators? Are Guardians with different spears and Sag guardians different base as well? Also are the Telemons and other FW dreads not the same base as the Relic Contemptor? Now I feel really bad.
Telemons, according to the FW site, are supllied with a 100mm base.
the custodes Contemptors are on a 60MM base, the same size as the FW contemptors and GW plastic SM dreads.
the guardian varients are all conversion kits to the base plastic guardian kits, so you they should be the same base size as the standard guardians.
If I recall, Guardians and Sag get a bit wonky. If you buy the upgrade sprues, your Guardians and Sag have the same base, but if you just straight buy Sag, their base is smaller than a Guardian's.
Don't feel hinky though Fezzik. As long as your opponent was fine with it it's not a big deal. I did something similar on Tabletop Simulator because I couldn't find good models.
This is not true Sags come with 40mm bases unless you some how got the wrong bases.
All Custodes infantry models are on 40mm bases except for Aquilon which are on 50mm
Aha! FW fixed it. See page 117 of this very thread. Site used to say Sag were 32MM.
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