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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 14:29:44
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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How do our Jetpack boys run against them? I'm guessing lances over bucklers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 14:39:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Damsel of the Lady
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:In the interest of meeting the request to talk more about tactics and strategies:
'm a little hesitant to throw big cost units like telmons into a horde fight against DG, with their new weapon profiles. I'd rather try and tie them up with Shield boys and maybe chip away with swords while they try desperately to kill me.
It's funny how this change changes the meta on autocannon-like weapons. 48"+ D2 weapons. I mean, they are still great primaris killers, but now the DG basically invalidate Plasma, ACs, and HBs. You either roll LCs Meltas. I'm saying Melta Spears and Sags for TAC lists against DG?
What is the cost difference of an all melta spear guardian squad vs. a Blight Terminator squad? Is it more efficient to just SAG them off the table?
Melta is probably more efficient. It also makes an interesting choice between our Arachnus loadouts (flat 3 damage for Telemons and Grav-Tanks I believe) vs. Accelerator loadouts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 14:49:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Audustum wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:In the interest of meeting the request to talk more about tactics and strategies:
'm a little hesitant to throw big cost units like telmons into a horde fight against DG, with their new weapon profiles. I'd rather try and tie them up with Shield boys and maybe chip away with swords while they try desperately to kill me.
It's funny how this change changes the meta on autocannon-like weapons. 48"+ D2 weapons. I mean, they are still great primaris killers, but now the DG basically invalidate Plasma, ACs, and HBs. You either roll LCs Meltas. I'm saying Melta Spears and Sags for TAC lists against DG?
What is the cost difference of an all melta spear guardian squad vs. a Blight Terminator squad? Is it more efficient to just SAG them off the table?
Melta is probably more efficient. It also makes an interesting choice between our Arachnus loadouts (flat 3 damage for Telemons and Grav-Tanks I believe) vs. Accelerator loadouts.
close. str8, D 3 for the beam setting on the telemon, Str 9, D3+3 on the tank (which seems to have "heavy" versions of the Arachnus and Accelerator weapons, unless battlescribe is lying to me, as i dont have the new FW book until my sis gets it me for christmas)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 15:03:18
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Damsel of the Lady
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xerxeskingofking wrote:Audustum wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:In the interest of meeting the request to talk more about tactics and strategies:
'm a little hesitant to throw big cost units like telmons into a horde fight against DG, with their new weapon profiles. I'd rather try and tie them up with Shield boys and maybe chip away with swords while they try desperately to kill me.
It's funny how this change changes the meta on autocannon-like weapons. 48"+ D2 weapons. I mean, they are still great primaris killers, but now the DG basically invalidate Plasma, ACs, and HBs. You either roll LCs Meltas. I'm saying Melta Spears and Sags for TAC lists against DG?
What is the cost difference of an all melta spear guardian squad vs. a Blight Terminator squad? Is it more efficient to just SAG them off the table?
Melta is probably more efficient. It also makes an interesting choice between our Arachnus loadouts (flat 3 damage for Telemons and Grav-Tanks I believe) vs. Accelerator loadouts.
close. str8, D 3 for the beam setting on the telemon, Str 9, D3+3 on the tank (which seems to have "heavy" versions of the Arachnus and Accelerator weapons, unless battlescribe is lying to me, as i dont have the new FW book until my sis gets it me for christmas)
That sounds right. Can't check right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 15:03:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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I would love to run a flight of storm tanks against terminators, but even that is liable to get messed up by Mortarian or Blight Haulers. They are looking like a really great codex. I hope Custodes will be equally shocking.
Is Mortarian still best countered by Terminators/bikes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/11 16:30:33
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Hi guys
I have decided to build a small Custodian detachment since I can't seem to be able to sell the few models I have.
I've written up a list, in the spoiler, but I cant seem to decide if I want Wardens or Allarus.
What's the concensus on these two as units?
I feel they do a very similar job on paper, only clear distinction is FNP & need the strat to Deep Strike against baked in Deep Strike and an extra wound.
The rest of the list:
Any ideas?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 13:38:07
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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IHateNids wrote:Hi guys
I have decided to build a small Custodian detachment since I can't seem to be able to sell the few models I have.
I've written up a list, in the spoiler, but I cant seem to decide if I want Wardens or Allarus.
What's the concensus on these two as units?
I feel they do a very similar job on paper, only clear distinction is FNP & need the strat to Deep Strike against baked in Deep Strike and an extra wound.
The rest of the list:
Any ideas?
Your list looks fine, saggitarum and bikes are awesome. Just scrap the shield captain with the gatekeeper and play either Trajann Valoris or a terminator captain. Our normal shield captains are good units in a vacuum, but our other shield captain variants are better at the moment.
Regarding wardens vs allarus: go allarus terminators always. They are straight up better that the wardens because of their awesome stratagem support.
On another note, I had a friendly game against space wolves this weekend and brought a double fist telemon and it was hilarious. If that guy reaches the enemy he just smashes everything. My telemon chewed through 4 blade guard veterans, a judiciar and ragnar.....I love that chunky bastard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 16:15:11
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Tiberias wrote:
Your list looks fine, saggitarum and bikes are awesome. Just scrap the shield captain with the gatekeeper and play either Trajann Valoris or a terminator captain. Our normal shield captains are good units in a vacuum, but our other shield captain variants are better at the moment.
Regarding wardens vs allarus: go allarus terminators always. They are straight up better that the wardens because of their awesome stratagem support.
Any strats in particular make Allarus that much better? I'm probably just being thick to be honest, but a few mild pointers wouldnt go amiss
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 16:46:29
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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IHateNids wrote:Tiberias wrote:
Your list looks fine, saggitarum and bikes are awesome. Just scrap the shield captain with the gatekeeper and play either Trajann Valoris or a terminator captain. Our normal shield captains are good units in a vacuum, but our other shield captain variants are better at the moment.
Regarding wardens vs allarus: go allarus terminators always. They are straight up better that the wardens because of their awesome stratagem support.
Any strats in particular make Allarus that much better? I'm probably just being thick to be honest, but a few mild pointers wouldnt go amiss
Most notable is maybe "Auramite and Adamantium" for 1CP which makes Allarus (and Aquilons) ignore AP -1 and AP -2 which can be a truly massive boost in survivabilty. Allarus have access to the "inescapable vengeance" strat which lets them target characters in shooting, which is really nice with their dmg2 axes. Their innate deepstrike is very handy with the dread host stratagem "golden light of the moraides", which lets them charge with 3d6 picking the two highest.
All this combined with the new strats that all our units have access to like "arcane genetic alchemy" and "the emperors auspice" makes them better than wardens in almost every way.
Hope that helps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 17:32:25
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Are these all in War of The Spider? Because I have no yet got my hands on that book
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 18:16:22
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Many of our best strats are in war of the spider, though our main codex also has very, very important strats like stooping dive, vexilla teleport homer or the aforementioned inescapable vengeance.
If you can't get your hands on war of the spider, I think goon hammer did a rundown of all the strats, shield host traits and relics from that book to give you an overview.
War of the spider really gave us a push though, strats like superior firing patterns single handedly made venatari viable for example. The archeotech ammunition strat made salvo launcher bikes viable and very dangerous to tanks for example.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 19:19:17
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Ok.... I think I can get a copy of the book from a friend.
But I'm seeing this thing on Battlescribe, "Captain-Commander"
Would you think thats a better use of a CP than a second relic? I was only running Gatekeeper to make the mid-board dakka brick a bit more potent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/15 19:52:30
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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IHateNids wrote:Ok.... I think I can get a copy of the book from a friend.
But I'm seeing this thing on Battlescribe, "Captain-Commander"
Would you think thats a better use of a CP than a second relic? I was only running Gatekeeper to make the mid-board dakka brick a bit more potent
its pretty useful, it adds one a set of not-quite warlord traits to the character. of note is "Swift as the eagle", which is can advance and charge, and +1 to adavance and charge rolls.
also of note is "ten thousand heros", for 1cp, which lets one other character pick a warlord trait, in addition to the actaul warlord.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/16 10:59:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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iGuy91 wrote:So its confirmed today from GW
Disgustingly Resilient is a flat -1 reduction of incoming damage, to a minimum of 1.
So....2 damage weapons will do 1 damage to a plague marine.
Actually. It means our D3 wound weaponry might start spiking in effectiveness for those 5-6 damage rolls, and the rest are going to be 1 damage.
It appears to be replacing the old FNP mechanic.
But. That does mean Accelerator Culverins, and Sag Guard 2 Damage Bolter Calivers are not particularly efficient at killing a plague marine.
With their terminators getting +1 wound, and damage reduction, you'll be needing flat 4 damage to drop them easily.
This means, roughly, Custodes will always suck against Death Guard. There's no way to effectively point out an army that is relying on d3s or damage 2 verse an army that hard counters that throughout the entire roster. If Death Guard is pointed at all aggressively, there's not a lot custodes are going to be able to do, now or in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/16 11:59:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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stratigo wrote: iGuy91 wrote:So its confirmed today from GW
Disgustingly Resilient is a flat -1 reduction of incoming damage, to a minimum of 1.
So....2 damage weapons will do 1 damage to a plague marine.
Actually. It means our D3 wound weaponry might start spiking in effectiveness for those 5-6 damage rolls, and the rest are going to be 1 damage.
It appears to be replacing the old FNP mechanic.
But. That does mean Accelerator Culverins, and Sag Guard 2 Damage Bolter Calivers are not particularly efficient at killing a plague marine.
With their terminators getting +1 wound, and damage reduction, you'll be needing flat 4 damage to drop them easily.
This means, roughly, Custodes will always suck against Death Guard. There's no way to effectively point out an army that is relying on d3s or damage 2 verse an army that hard counters that throughout the entire roster. If Death Guard is pointed at all aggressively, there's not a lot custodes are going to be able to do, now or in the future.
Our galatus dread would in theory be good against plague marines with a bunch of S7 flat3dmg attacks and a double fist telemon would be awesome against 3wound terminators with its flat 4dmg fists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/16 12:27:11
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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All our dreads will effectively mulch through DG lists, and bikes will still drop Morty with relative efficiency. Our tanks and our Terminators still outclass theirs, we just can't run full Footstodes against them anymore.
There is no sky is falling moment here. They are good, but not that good. We still have multiple ways of, as Vegeta says: "Wrecking their gak."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/16 18:53:44
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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I just recently realized why the fists were dropped in points during the forgeworld update on the telemons.
Redemptor fists were changed to be 3+d3 so are just flat out better than telemon fists damage-wise.
Why? I have no clue, but it is what it is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/16 19:10:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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GW wants to offload inventory cluttering up warehouses? Since their launch no one ever really took to the redemptor, I mean there were always a bunch of leftovers at any store I went to. I'm guessing this is GW wanting to clear the 2018 inventory out to make way for the new stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 02:28:11
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:All our dreads will effectively mulch through DG lists, and bikes will still drop Morty with relative efficiency. Our tanks and our Terminators still outclass theirs, we just can't run full Footstodes against them anymore.
There is no sky is falling moment here. They are good, but not that good. We still have multiple ways of, as Vegeta says: "Wrecking their gak."
Dreadnoughts are not a good choice for killing plague marines. They don't actually do it cost effectively.
Durable infantry getting a minus 1 damage is pretty brutal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 10:48:25
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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stratigo wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:All our dreads will effectively mulch through DG lists, and bikes will still drop Morty with relative efficiency. Our tanks and our Terminators still outclass theirs, we just can't run full Footstodes against them anymore.
There is no sky is falling moment here. They are good, but not that good. We still have multiple ways of, as Vegeta says: "Wrecking their gak."
Dreadnoughts are not a good choice for killing plague marines. They don't actually do it cost effectively.
Durable infantry getting a minus 1 damage is pretty brutal.
So...Saggitarum with their flat 3 dmg shots? Seems like the next best thing, though I still think the galatus would be a good fit when you know you are up against death guard, he might not be super cost effective, but his weapon profile is really nice against plague marines and he now has quite a lot of attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 13:11:23
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tiberias wrote:stratigo wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:All our dreads will effectively mulch through DG lists, and bikes will still drop Morty with relative efficiency. Our tanks and our Terminators still outclass theirs, we just can't run full Footstodes against them anymore.
There is no sky is falling moment here. They are good, but not that good. We still have multiple ways of, as Vegeta says: "Wrecking their gak."
Dreadnoughts are not a good choice for killing plague marines. They don't actually do it cost effectively.
Durable infantry getting a minus 1 damage is pretty brutal.
So...Saggitarum with their flat 3 dmg shots? Seems like the next best thing, though I still think the galatus would be a good fit when you know you are up against death guard, he might not be super cost effective, but his weapon profile is really nice against plague marines and he now has quite a lot of attacks.
And he will eat like 5 multimeltas to the face. Death guard are gonna be going pretty hard on blight haulers I predict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 13:45:49
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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stratigo wrote:Tiberias wrote:stratigo wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:All our dreads will effectively mulch through DG lists, and bikes will still drop Morty with relative efficiency. Our tanks and our Terminators still outclass theirs, we just can't run full Footstodes against them anymore.
There is no sky is falling moment here. They are good, but not that good. We still have multiple ways of, as Vegeta says: "Wrecking their gak."
Dreadnoughts are not a good choice for killing plague marines. They don't actually do it cost effectively.
Durable infantry getting a minus 1 damage is pretty brutal.
So...Saggitarum with their flat 3 dmg shots? Seems like the next best thing, though I still think the galatus would be a good fit when you know you are up against death guard, he might not be super cost effective, but his weapon profile is really nice against plague marines and he now has quite a lot of attacks.
And he will eat like 5 multimeltas to the face. Death guard are gonna be going pretty hard on blight haulers I predict.
Dreadhost makes a comeback! I don't think Death Guard will spam Poxwalkers too much, unless they get a solid buff too, so the stuff they're using to screen ( PM's) are things you'd like a Galatus to slam into. FGLTC, re-rolling 3D6, drop 2 or 3 of those as your deep strike component. Should clear out a fair amount.
It'll be up to the rest of your army, about 1,450 points if you took 3 Galatus (note: 2 is probably optimal) to deal with the rest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 16:41:42
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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See the beauty of the new Blood Angels codex is that we all missed how powerful that will be in exchange for DG, which still are just really hard to kill Chaos marines. I'm still worried about a bunch of two wound assault marines with their +1 to almost everything super chapter tactic.
I'm guessing until our codex drops in late 2021, I'm going with all bikes again. It's still not as cheese as the current lists we will be seeing in 9th.
Go full BN, shield guardians squads x3 two Biker captains, rest bikers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 17:00:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Damsel of the Lady
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:See the beauty of the new Blood Angels codex is that we all missed how powerful that will be in exchange for DG, which still are just really hard to kill Chaos marines. I'm still worried about a bunch of two wound assault marines with their +1 to almost everything super chapter tactic.
I'm guessing until our codex drops in late 2021, I'm going with all bikes again. It's still not as cheese as the current lists we will be seeing in 9th.
Go full BN, shield guardians squads x3 two Biker captains, rest bikers.
Consider Solar Watch for pure Jetbike lists. Advance+fire Hurricanes is incredibly powerful and intensely mobile. 21" movement on ObSec units, pumping out 100+ shots (even low S ones) that hit on 3's, re-rolling 1's is crazy board control. I actually mirror matched a Custodes terminator list with that setup and won by just avoiding him and playing the corner objectives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/17 18:21:08
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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I love bike lists because you control so much. Not just board space, but with your strats, you basically can choose when and where you fight, and how. Unless you are going against another high speed flier list (See: Blood Angels Assault lists/Eldar bikes) you can agressively push anywhere on the board, and your opponent HAS to respect you. You can't be deleted easily, and you need dedicated high value shooting to even threaten you, so basically I assume if we don't see more Terminator lists, 9th with be Bikes, bikes, bikes. Or until the nerf the crap out of SMs. Automatically Appended Next Post: I recently saw a box of Sanuinary guard in the store I play at, and wanted to know if they would make an acceptable "counts as" for our Custodian Jetpacks? Paint the wings gold, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/18 18:33:55
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Did anyone get a look at the new Drukari Incubi stat line? Without knowing the cost, they now have a basic unit with +2WS, and all their weapons are flat 2 damage, with 3 attacks each.
I feel like this is a pretty great indicator of where 9th is heading. Melee is now becoming a larger focus for a lot of armies. They want more assault focused games, less stand back and shoot. That bodes very well for our chosen faction.
Now for those much more verse in Dark Eldar, what are we needing to worry about with a group of 1 wound models with no invuln?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/30 11:09:16
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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@Fezzik
I think if you get charged by a unit of incubi you kinda need to worry due to flat D2, especially if they get buffed by drazhar with +1 to wound.
If you can tanglefoot them and counter charge they're dead. Incubi have a decent armor save, but I think a squad of our bikes would shred them with hurricane bolters due to sheer weight of dice and being able to wound on 3+, due to incubi still being T3.
So I think we definitely shouldn't ignore them as a potent melee threat, but they fold over pretty easily to both our melee and shooting.
This is just my opinion of course and take it with a grain of salt because the new dark eldar codex could change all of my assessments. Maybe incubi get an amazing strat that massively boosts their survivability for a turn....we'll just have to wait and see.
On an unrelated note, many of our (imo) coolest units got better with the FW update (venatari, telemon for example) but how do you guys feel about the coronus? I've been thinking about getting one for some time now, but I am not sure our faction benefits that much from transports. It's also rather epensive both money and points wise.
We have rather good delivery mechanisms with vexilla teleport homer and the dread host deep strike, would a transport offer any additional value?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/31 00:28:46
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tiberias wrote:@Fezzik
I think if you get charged by a unit of incubi you kinda need to worry due to flat D2, especially if they get buffed by drazhar with +1 to wound.
If you can tanglefoot them and counter charge they're dead. Incubi have a decent armor save, but I think a squad of our bikes would shred them with hurricane bolters due to sheer weight of dice and being able to wound on 3+, due to incubi still being T3.
So I think we definitely shouldn't ignore them as a potent melee threat, but they fold over pretty easily to both our melee and shooting.
This is just my opinion of course and take it with a grain of salt because the new dark eldar codex could change all of my assessments. Maybe incubi get an amazing strat that massively boosts their survivability for a turn....we'll just have to wait and see.
On an unrelated note, many of our ( imo) coolest units got better with the FW update (venatari, telemon for example) but how do you guys feel about the coronus? I've been thinking about getting one for some time now, but I am not sure our faction benefits that much from transports. It's also rather epensive both money and points wise.
We have rather good delivery mechanisms with vexilla teleport homer and the dread host deep strike, would a transport offer any additional value?
Honestly, outside of large games (3,000 points or more) I don't see transports working for Custodes. At least not the ones we have now. 250 for a Coronus, or 300 for a Landraider is silly. I'd rather have 5 footsloggers. The only way I see either working is if they had the old-school assault vehicle rules. What I'd really like to see is an open-topped version of the Pallas with a transport capacity of 4.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/12/31 00:57:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Or a inherent ability that lets us DS for free, preferably on turn 1, like maybe FGLTC used to do?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 16:57:59
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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new points values for 2021 have been release, and the PDF is free:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/76UtmPgtSCGKJAnW.pdf
some points of note for us:
generally, they've added the cost of the default wargear onto the unit agian, so that the "Points a model" now is the cost to put that guy down with no upgrades
for example sheild cap has changed to 100pts, but thats just the cost of 95pt cap with a 5pt spear
guardian squads appear to be cheaper now. 45pts with spear, 52pts sword and shield. thats about 5pts cheaper unless i cant count.
Allarus are now 5pts more expensive, 70pts base. Wardens are also more, about 3 pts more.
on the other hand, vertus jetbikes are now only 85ps each, a drop of 10 points.
some intresting changes thier.
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To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
Coven of XVth 2000pts
The Blades of Ruin 2,000pts Watch Company Rho 1650pts
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