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 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

 BrookM wrote:
He's not getting the box, not until they do 30k rules for the Armigers.

Well, in that case I'm sure FW will get right on it.


Sometime in the mid-2020s.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Lets take a look at box sets, Death Masque, full kits other than the HQ choices. Deathstorm, much the same. Stormclaw also the same. Blightwar, also the same.

Dark Imperium and its smaller sets have the easy to build because they are ment to be an intro to the game for new people, as well as a 'cheap' way for existing players to start up. The above sets, and this newest set, seem to be a way to get people to expand collections and get new models. With a secondary bonus of being able to perhaps get new players to join in that want an army that isnt Marines.

Additionally, since the instructions show specifically the Deathmarks as well as the Immortals, it would be foolish to think one side gets all their options, while the other does not.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options.

Yeah, and those people are basing it off the Renegade boxed game--which outright stated it included a Knight-Warden and a Knight Paladin/Errant. People just seemed to not know that there are two different Knight boxes available; one with the Warden sprue(costing $157USD) and one without(this is old stock still being sold at $140--the original Knight pricepoint).

Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

Dark Imperium is a starter product, not rebadged existing stock. It's also worth mentioning that you could have looked up at the OP and seen the sprue shots.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

In the case of Dark Imperium and other starter products, they have always made it clear that those are "easy to build variants" with limited loadouts fairly early on. It's also kind of telling that you have to reach for the starter product as an example. Like it's never been established that the edition's starter sets have what are effectively 'easy build' variants in them these days?

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Stormclaw, Deathstorm, Death Masque, and Blight War would all like you to pay attention to them.

Because that's what this box is. It's a 'variant' starter set with no special game/whatever attached to it, just repacking existing product with new product.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Sure, okay. You just go on and do that. You can go ask them on Facebook and get an official answer.

Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

We know for a fact that the Immortals are the full kit, because there was a photo with the instruction booklet showing how to build the tesla/deathmark variants. It'd be weird for just the Immortals to be the genuine article.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Basic logic, why machine brand new expensive moulds for a limited 1 time run box set, or instead include old excess stock. Do you really think they'll recut 4 existing kits just for this 1 box for a splash release?

Now that we have a clear photo of the knight sprue, whose size we know, we can figure out exactly how tall the legs are, and with that how tall the model is.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Now that we have a clear photo of the knight sprue, whose size we know, we can figure out exactly how tall the legs are, and with that how tall the model is.

Not without some kind of realistic reference for the instructions or something like that

I'm ballparking a 60mm base for the model though. Compare the promo photos GW put out with the Skitarii Ranger and Transauranic Arquebus to the base; they look roughly equivalent in terms of length and that fits with a 60mm.

tneva82 wrote:
Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

*slaps tneva82*

Do you know the price it would cost GW to remake the Skitarii and other Necron forces as 'push fit/simple' minis for a single boxed set? Plus, dude, learn your frickin' history. This isn't the first campaign box they've put out and ---every single one of them--- has come with the regular kits included.

Push-fit models are for the starter boxes. This is not a starter box.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

It may be worth mentioning that Start Collecting kits have been known to skip a sprue. Off the top of my head SC Khorne Bloodbound only has 3 Skullcrushers (6 in the solo kit) and SC Slaves to Darkness only has 5 Chaos Knights and 12 Chaos Warriors (10 and 16 in their respective kits). That said, having one less sprue than the stand-alone kit is a far cry from being a mono-pose or easy-build kit.

Yessss, this is a campaign boxed set, they need to do loads more of these, as I am quite a sucker for the booklets that come with these detailing a short linked campaign to play through. We're always in need of more data to mine when it comes to scenarios.

I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

 EnTyme wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Dollars to donuts, it's going to be "These are all full kits"--same as it is every time someone gets in a tizzy over a Start Collecting or discounted set. The only real time, lately, that this has been an exception to the rule has been the Vanguard Start Collecting set and the Blight War set--both contain sets of 5 Hunters rather than 10 the boxed set contains.

This is, surprisingly enough, a Good Thing since they come in unit max sizes of 15 but get sold in boxes of 10.

It may be worth mentioning that Start Collecting kits have skip a sprue. Off the top of my head SC Khorne Bloodbound only has 3 Skullcrushers (6 in the solo kit) and SC Slaves to Darkness only has 5 Chaos Knights and 12 Chaos Warriors (10 and 16 in their respective kits). That said, having one less sprue than the stand-alone kit is a far cry from being a mono-pose or easy-build kit.

Worth mentioning that Skullcrushers used to be 3 to a box, Knights used to be 5 to a box, and the sprues for Warriors allowed for those weird numbers(they came 4 bodies to a sprue, with the capes separate).
The Hunters are, while half the content, still the same kits. They come 3 and 2 to their sprues so it's not like you're getting less content. Same goes for the Gryph-Hounds(sold in boxes of 6; come 3 to the SC--no parts missing) in the Start Collecting: Vanguard set as well.


So yeah, while they sometimes leave off some of the models--you're never not given the parts to make a specific variation unless it is something like the Knight Renegade set where it literally was two separate products that had a missing sprue. And even then, Knight Renegade has basically been the only time they did that in recent memory.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

I'm kind of starting to lean towards them being two in a box since the bases don't look to be larger than 60mm. I've been toying around a bit with my Arquebus Rangers in comparison to base sizes and perspective and that's the size that seems to fit.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

*slaps tneva82*

Do you know the price it would cost GW to remake the Skitarii and other Necron forces as 'push fit/simple' minis for a single boxed set? Plus, dude, learn your frickin' history. This isn't the first campaign box they've put out and ---every single one of them--- has come with the regular kits included.

Push-fit models are for the starter boxes. This is not a starter box.

Not to mention that you can see the sprues, and they do not look like push fits.

 BrookM wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

I was just thinking of them being boxed more like the Carnifex Brood but man, them being fielded in squadrons would be kinda neat...if annoying for FOC purposes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if the mini-knights are meant to be taken in pairs?

as it does seem a bit odd to have two in the box, might explain the slightly unexpected LoW slot

The article mentions that you could take a regular Knight alongside two of these for a super-heavy detachment to meet minimal requirements (3-5 per detachment), but fielding these in "squadrons" would be neat indeed.

I was just thinking of them being boxed more like the Carnifex Brood but man, them being fielded in squadrons would be kinda neat...if annoying for FOC purposes.

It would be a great(ish) way to cram more models into your list, just like with other squadrons and whatnot, set up together, split upon starting the game.

Though it remains to be seen just how expensive these models will be, power / points wise, Knights and most vehicles out there aren't the cheapest, so these would have to be really cheapo, or have you play in really big games, to truly field a bunch of them.

Would be fun though, fielding a single Knight accompanied by a massive swarm of the little guys ranging ahead like beagles.


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I do hope that the top-mounted peashooters are optional, as I kinda want to run these with banners on their carapaces, proclaiming who they belong to and all that.

The proportions of the base the Armigers are on looks more like an 80 or 100mm base rather than a "60mm" base.

"Neva go full tneva82, neva"

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The proportions of the base the Armigers are on looks more like an 80 or 100mm base rather than a "60mm" base.

Yeah, looks about twice the span of HQ models with their 40 mm base, so 80 mm would be my guess, too.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So yeah, while they sometimes leave off some of the models--you're never not given the parts to make a specific variation

Unless the army in question is Deathwatch - then you're given the models/bits, but in deliberate middle finger, not the rules, so you can't field them. Thanks, Kelly

the sprue is 8.25 inches wide, which means the Knight leg is about 3" from hip to ankle. That means the Knight is around 7" tall total. I think the base is probably 120mm.

Both HQ models are on 50mm bases

 axisofentropy wrote:
the sprue is 8.25 inches wide, which means the Knight leg is about 3" from hip to ankle. That means the Knight is around 7" tall total. I think the base is probably 120mm.

Honestly, the issue I have with that is that seemingly everything was photographed together...and 120mm doesn't fit for it based upon the size of the Arquebi guy. That's a 60x35mm base and going off the picture, it seems like it would fit the proportions correctly.

You can also go off this picture and compare it to a Munitorum Armoured Cargo Container:

The MACC is around 4 and a half inches long and 2 and a half inches tall--it really puts the thing in perspective when you look at it back with the Electropriests and the like.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

Looks like the 100mm round base for the armiger. Going from there, it should be about as tall as the ironstrider, though a much bulkier upper half.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

did they kill 'em all or ride the lightning or ...and justice for all?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
and shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Sadly that forgeworld was eaten by Hive Fleet Some Kind of Monster.

when was that? latest I can find is nurgle invaded and house raven saved em

Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Like there was any chance they wouldn't...

Pretty sure others will have clocked it, but the weapons for the Armiger appear to be a separate sprue?