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On the UK site everything is still available apart from the Imperial Guard faction box and a few of the older dice sets.

It hasn’t been that long since Commanders expansion and we have had Kill Team rules for Blackstone Fortress as well earlier this month. I expect next proper expansion to hit around February time.

Aeneades wrote:
On the UK site everything is still available apart from the Imperial Guard faction box and a few of the older dice sets.

Well, I'm looking at the US website and it looks like a dying game. I've been trying to get my hands on the starter box since it was released and none of my usual US retailers (or for that matter GW themselves) has been able to get them.

Aeneades wrote:
It hasn’t been that long since Commanders expansion and we have had Kill Team rules for Blackstone Fortress as well earlier this month. I expect next proper expansion to hit around February time.

That's great for people already into the game, but like I said above I still need the starter box and some of the killzone boxes that are seemingly already OOP.

Everything, including all kill zones, were restocked within the last couple of weeks on the UK Games Workshop webstore, hopefully that means they will be restocked on your online store as well soon.

 mdauben wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
On the UK site everything is still available apart from the Imperial Guard faction box and a few of the older dice sets.

Well, I'm looking at the US website and it looks like a dying game. I've been trying to get my hands on the starter box since it was released and none of my usual US retailers (or for that matter GW themselves) has been able to get them.

Is there a specific reason you want the starter box out of curiousity?

Aeneades wrote:
It hasn’t been that long since Commanders expansion and we have had Kill Team rules for Blackstone Fortress as well earlier this month. I expect next proper expansion to hit around February time.

That's great for people already into the game, but like I said above I still need the starter box and some of the killzone boxes that are seemingly already OOP.

You don't "need" any of those. The core book has the rules, everything else is optional.

 mdauben wrote:
So, other than this Kroot Kill Team, is there any other news on the game? Looking at the GW web store half the kill zones sets are marked as no longer available and as far as I can see the starter box isn't even listed anymore. Have they given up on the game already? :(

The cynical part me wants to say that GW has cleared out all the extra terrain pieces they had laying about. Now that is gone, they might finish putting out the rest of the faction starters. Hopefully, GW decides to make the faction starters a more complete purchase where the customer can field a full 100 point teams with decent amount of options. Bonus points if they include sprues from two different unit types where possible (i.e. CMS/Cultists, Marines/Scouts). It is no fun playing someone that gets a starter then has to make most of their Specialists level 4 to hit the 100 point level or dropping down in points to match. I did not know that was case with one my opponents until to well after the game and it retroactively ruined my fun since they basically played with a metaphorical hand tied behind their back.

But I don't know what the plan is. Personally, I get the feeling that Kill Team getting people interested in buying kits and playing. Kill Team might not be the gateway to full 40k like it used to though. So who knows?, maybe GW will fall back on that chestnut of, 'specialist games are cannibalizing sales of full 40k.' with Kill Team. I mean I am buying more kits for Kill Team, but almost none of them are going toward my main 40k army.

Additionally, I worry that many of their faction starters aren't moving as fast as GW would like. Personally, I don't think many of them are a very good deal. I started a Necron kill team but passed on the starter since all it had that I really wanted was the Immortals (at nearly double the cost of a regular box). If it would have been Immortals plus Warriors it would have been great as that was what I picked up instead anyways. I think giving players a full kill team with a good spread of options at slight discount (ala Start Collecting) could really get Kill Team faction starters moving off the shelf.

DarrinTheOccult wrote:
And here the kroot tactics

Spoiler:

I suppose Hyper-Evolution means they're eating their prey to absorb some of its traits. So feasting on Drones or Necrons makes them stronger and faster - must be high the iron content. Same with magnesium when eating Gretchin.

In the rogue trader novel the kroot is shown carrying small insects for that purpose. Maybe its a common custom?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Is there a specific reason you want the starter box out of curiousity?

I want the adeptus mechanics figures, I want the genstealer cult figures, I want the Imperial terrain, I want the play aides, I want the books. Even when everything was mostly available, it would have cost much more than the box set to buy everything separately

You don't "need" any of those. The core book has the rules, everything else is optional.

That is a singularly unhelpful response. I'm not interested in getting into Kill Team on the cheap. I was excited about the game and prepared to drop a lot of money on for the original box set, several of the Kill Zone sets, and building multiple factions from scratch. I Pre-ordered the original starter but GW shafted my FLGS and did not send all the sets he ordered. I tried for months to get that starter but it seemed everyone was sold out and I finally gave up.

I was just checking the GW online store yesterday to see if maybe they finally got the box set back in stock. Instead, the starter box isn't even listed anymore and several of the Kill Zones are marked "no longer available" (as opposed to "temporarily out of stock") which usually means they are permenantly discontinued. GW has already managed to kill most of my initial enthusiasm for the game but if they are already discontinuing things I wanted to buy I'll just give up and go back to the other, less frustrating (non-gw) games I play and stop caring about Kill Team.

Back when it was announced I told everyone it was just another instant cash grab and the promised 18 months of support was poppycock.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

The cynical part me wants to say that GW has cleared out all the extra terrain pieces they had laying about.

This is wrong tho. All the terrain sprues for Kill Team are dyed, so they were cast fresh for KT.

Aeneades wrote:
Everything, including all kill zones, were restocked within the last couple of weeks on the UK Games Workshop webstore, hopefully that means they will be restocked on your online store as well soon.

They just recently restocked the Kill Zones in the US store. I jumped on the Mechanicus Kill Zone as I missed it the first time around. The Munitorum already sold out again though.

 mdauben wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Is there a specific reason you want the starter box out of curiousity?

I want the adeptus mechanics figures, I want the genstealer cult figures, I want the Imperial terrain, I want the play aides, I want the books. Even when everything was mostly available, it would have cost much more than the box set to buy everything separately

That's fair. Like I said, I asked mostly out of curiosity. There were people thinking the Kill Team rules were only available via that box.

You don't "need" any of those. The core book has the rules, everything else is optional.

That is a singularly unhelpful response. I'm not interested in getting into Kill Team on the cheap. I was excited about the game and prepared to drop a lot of money on for the original box set, several of the Kill Zone sets, and building multiple factions from scratch. I Pre-ordered the original starter but GW shafted my FLGS and did not send all the sets he ordered. I tried for months to get that starter but it seemed everyone was sold out and I finally gave up.

Did your FLGS actually order them via GW or did they use another distributor?

Not to cast aspersions here, but there's a reason why I buy stuff at GW's sticker prices at their shop local to me. The independent nearest to me kept claiming they ordered stuff via GW and that "GW shorted their orders" when in reality they were ordering via a 3rd party distributor.

I was just checking the GW online store yesterday to see if maybe they finally got the box set back in stock. Instead, the starter box isn't even listed anymore and several of the Kill Zones are marked "no longer available" (as opposed to "temporarily out of stock") which usually means they are permenantly discontinued. GW has already managed to kill most of my initial enthusiasm for the game but if they are already discontinuing things I wanted to buy I'll just give up and go back to the other, less frustrating (non-gw) games I play and stop caring about Kill Team.

"No Longer Available" does not necessarily mean "permanently discontinued" these days. Keep an eye out for it to potentially return.

It's also possible that they have discontinued it in favor of releasing the contents individually soon-ish.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

The cynical part me wants to say that GW has cleared out all the extra terrain pieces they had laying about. Now that is gone, they might finish putting out the rest of the faction starters. Hopefully, GW decides to make the faction starters a more complete purchase where the customer can field a full 100 point teams with decent amount of options. Bonus points if they include sprues from two different unit types where possible (i.e. CMS/Cultists, Marines/Scouts).

What starter that is though? Sounds comple sets. Like having 2k 40k armies as starter sets

I'm still waiting for my guy to get the Killzones in stock. I've long since abandoned the idea of getting the Mechanicus one, but the Munitorum one and a pair of Deathworld ones wouldn't go astray.

I think the only logical thing to do at this point is come out with a new starter with new sprues of something (like Rogue Trader should've been) so they can get us all to double dip... again.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see a somewhat stripped down KT starter like they did with the various starter sets lately. The important thing to do is get people playing (and addicted) after all.

Prior to Christmas I finally managed to pick up the Killteam starter and two of the Killzones (unsurprisingly the one with the pipes/platforms and the one with the shipping containers and crane).

I ended up having to order direct from GW for the starter, paying full price as it was OOS at all the UK retailers, and talking to the GW staffer (yes, apply salt as ever) Killteam is getting this one last reprint then is discontinued.

This seemed odd, as I was under the impression Killteam was going to be akin to Shadespire for 40K, with a longer term, OP setup. With Commanders coming out, I was envisioning a series of similar expansions, as one of the drawbacks to kill team vs Skirmish is the limited faction choices. Say bikes, jump pack troops, lesser commanders and so on... each as a stand alone mini book.

Still, I do feel Killteam suffers a little from GW's current attempts to emulate the computer game scene, with a lot of DLC and content spread across multiple products, leaving someone like me who has a bit of a completion-ist tendency having to either buy a lot of kit they might not want, or else feel like they have an incomplete game :( Finally got to grips with Necromunda again after buying the box last year and leaving it on the shelf and the DLC model seems pretty clear there too :(

I'm going to end up working out extra unit choices as I am pretty much resigned to not being able to build/paint armies any more, so having mini forces of all the factions means I can still scratch the itch without committing to buying in vast quantities. I prefer painting infantry to tanks and big kits anyway, so it works well.

I hope there is more Killteam coming, and am eagerly awaiting seeing what changes White Dwarf is bringing for Skirmish too, but I do think GW's current model means if you don't buy in early, then games may be gone before you ever get to grips with them.

I can see it feeding the sales, but it may end up burning out players if it carries on outside of the core 2-3 games.

Yes! Kroot!

I feel like we will see more love for Kroot this way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Did your FLGS actually order them via GW or did they use another distributor?

Not to cast aspersions here, but there's a reason why I buy stuff at GW's sticker prices at their shop local to me. The independent nearest to me kept claiming they ordered stuff via GW and that "GW shorted their orders" when in reality they were ordering via a 3rd party distributor.

I don't know how he orders his stock, whether from GW or a distributor but either way, the fact remains that he could not get the product so I could not buy it. I've got a long term relationship with the manager at my FLGS and to the best of my knowledge he's never lied to me about ordering things for me.

In any case, it's not like it was just him, everyone I checked (local and online) was out of the starter set within a week of release. GW themselves has been out of stock every time I checked.

"No Longer Available" does not necessarily mean "permanently discontinued" these days. Keep an eye out for it to potentially return.

For me, the boat has sailed. I've already lost most of my initial enthusiasm for the game and this check of the GW online store was my last effort at giving them one more chance. I've got lots of other games that I can spend my time and money on. If GW doesn't want my money I'll just spend it somewhere else.

It's also possible that they have discontinued it in favor of releasing the contents individually soon-ish.

The thing is, it was all available separately at one time. Not any more, though. At least going by the online store.

 mdauben wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Did your FLGS actually order them via GW or did they use another distributor?

Not to cast aspersions here, but there's a reason why I buy stuff at GW's sticker prices at their shop local to me. The independent nearest to me kept claiming they ordered stuff via GW and that "GW shorted their orders" when in reality they were ordering via a 3rd party distributor.

I don't know how he orders his stock, whether from GW or a distributor but either way, the fact remains that he could not get the product so I could not buy it. I've got a long term relationship with the manager at my FLGS and to the best of my knowledge he's never lied to me about ordering things for me.

In any case, it's not like it was just him, everyone I checked (local and online) was out of the starter set within a week of release. GW themselves has been out of stock every time I checked.

"No Longer Available" does not necessarily mean "permanently discontinued" these days. Keep an eye out for it to potentially return.

For me, the boat has sailed. I've already lost most of my initial enthusiasm for the game and this check of the GW online store was my last effort at giving them one more chance. I've got lots of other games that I can spend my time and money on. If GW doesn't want my money I'll just spend it somewhere else.

It's also possible that they have discontinued it in favor of releasing the contents individually soon-ish.

The thing is, it was all available separately at one time. Not any more, though. At least going by the online store.

I was in L.A. last week and ran into a gaming store. They had at least one copy of the starter still.
https://www.irvinespectrumcenter.com/shopping/stores/the-game-chest
Call them and see if they will ship it or how you can get it?

 mdauben wrote:

It's also possible that they have discontinued it in favor of releasing the contents individually soon-ish.

The thing is, it was all available separately at one time. Not any more, though. At least going by the online store.

The AdMech, GSC, and that specific terrain bundle were only available in Kill Team's starter set.
The scenery bundle from KT is 2 of the $50 sets it seems.
I wouldn't be surprised to see AdMech and GSC get separate releases later on.

The Kill Team starter as well as the Kill Zones have been in and out of stock since they launched months ago. That is how popular they are. Still, I've seen all of them come into stock both on GW's web store and other online retailers for several days each time, at least once or twice a month. If it really is discontinued then I guess there won't be another chance to get that starter, but it wasn't exactly impossible to get ahold of until now.

 mdauben wrote:

The thing is, it was all available separately at one time. Not any more, though. At least going by the online store.

It wasn't. There is no other source for the AdMech and GSC tokens, for example, since there is no separate AdMech or GSC team box.

Such a cynical lot.

A small period of time with no release and suddenly the game is dead.

After the starter box you may remember: Rogue Trader. Commanders. Inquisition.
We’ve had two of them. So the third will come.


I’m not surprised by a small gap over Christmas.
And we just haven’t necessarily had the next leaks yet.

zamerion wrote:
rules

Spoiler:

Sweet, bent, illegible, glared images. It's like we're in the 80s.

 mdauben wrote:


Well, I'm looking at the US website and it looks like a dying game. I've been trying to get my hands on the starter box since it was released and none of my usual US retailers (or for that matter GW themselves) has been able to get them.

I still need the starter box and some of the killzone boxes that are seemingly already OOP.

The starter box sold out every production run. It was never going to be produced forever, but that also doesn't equal a dying game. If anything, it shows how popular the game was. They sold the starters to get enough people into it. Now anyone who wants to start can buy the rulebook and the models for whichever faction they're interested in. You don't "need" the starter box, literally every single item in the box is available in some other way. Anything that is temporarily out of stock on the GW site or wasn't sold separately can be purchased on ebay. Thousands of people around the world have managed to get into kill team without the starter box. I bought the rulebook, commander expansion, advance team starpulse, box of stealth suits, box of pathfinders, and cadre fireblade commander pack. My gf bought a box of plague marines and a box of easy build poxwalkers. We bought a few different boxes of terrain and a 30x22 mat from Fat Mats. We now have everything we need to play the game, no starter box involved. Even if you like ad mech or GSC you can just go buy the models for those, a rulebook, and a token set off ebay. The game is more popular in my area than normal 40k or AoS. Our campaign had the highest participation of any event we've run. The game is as far from a dying game as it could be.

 Toofast wrote:
The starter box sold out every production run

So one.

 JonWebb wrote:
Still, I do feel Killteam suffers a little from GW's current attempts to emulate the computer game scene, with a lot of DLC and content spread across multiple products, leaving someone like me who has a bit of a completion-ist tendency having to either buy a lot of kit they might not want, or else feel like they have an incomplete game :( Finally got to grips with Necromunda again after buying the box last year and leaving it on the shelf and the DLC model seems pretty clear there too :(

I'm going to end up working out extra unit choices as I am pretty much resigned to not being able to build/paint armies any more, so having mini forces of all the factions means I can still scratch the itch without committing to buying in vast quantities. I prefer painting infantry to tanks and big kits anyway, so it works well.

I hope there is more Killteam coming, and am eagerly awaiting seeing what changes White Dwarf is bringing for Skirmish too, but I do think GW's current model means if you don't buy in early, then games may be gone before you ever get to grips with them.

I can see it feeding the sales, but it may end up burning out players if it carries on outside of the core 2-3 games.

For an industry that inherently sells a hobby in which you pick the parts you like, GW does take the DLC vibe very far. In my opinion anyway. I have yet to see a game of Necromunda played at my local store. Kill Team saw a few demo games one day, and that's that. Seems to me people are waiting for the complete experience before they commit. But unlike video games that only get cheaper and better over time, the risk with GW games is that they just go away and you missed your chance.

I had high hopes both for AoS Skirmish and Kill Team, but they are only met with apathy. Oh well.

It's especially irritating when you consider that GW sells a complete experience with Shadespire, including completely new and flavorful models. And by all accounts that game is a hit. I've seen it played more than 8th ed. If only the mainline skirmishes could be considered complete and competently made.

Danny76 wrote:
Such a cynical lot.

A small period of time with no release and suddenly the game is dead.

Cynicism and GW go hand in hand, but their abysmal online store really isn't helping. What is a customer supposed to take away from visiting the Kill Zone page and not even seeing many of them listed anymore?

It's not a recent development either. There are some items you can still find via search that aren't listed normally, and out of stock messages are not exactly intuitive or applied consistently.

This is GW's primary means of communicating with a lot of customers. Saying in White Dwarf or a seminar once that they will support a game for a year or two is easily missed or forgotten. Seeing a blank space in the online store is not.

Sadly for wargames a one and done release is never going to please people either,

if they'd releases all of Necromunda or Kill Zone at once people would have been screaming the game was dead within a month as there were no new release planned (even though most would not have bought everything for their faction of choice yet anyway)

we live with a hobby that demands MORE NEW STUFF add -nfenitum

There is a middle ground. You can easily have a solid foundation in a core rulebook with some core factions and still leave plenty of things to release later. Old Necromunda and Mordheim did this and with those games I never got the feeling I bought half the game. Unlike with the limited customization in core Kill Team and Commanders as a separate release, for instance. Or buying a Gang War book that doesn't even have a chainsword in its trading post. Or while we're on the topic of chainswords, Primaris not getting an iconic 40k/Marine weapon until it appears on an upgrade sprue or Primaris Lieutenant.

GW is pushing it.

 Geifer wrote:

It's especially irritating when you consider that GW sells a complete experience with Shadespire, including completely new and flavorful models. And by all accounts that game is a hit. I've seen it played more than 8th ed. If only the mainline skirmishes could be considered complete and competently made.

Shadespire is constant releases that you need to buy for the cards even if you don't want that faction's models. It's more of a DLC model than KT is...

It makes me wonder if they have a new starter set in mind for it. New teams and new terrain would be a good way to keep the money train rolling.

a ordo xenos inquisitor team and some xeno themes ruins (not necessarily eldar- Tau, Necron or something entirely different. (blackstone fortress terrain would be pretty cool for example)