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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 17:46:53
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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pm713 wrote:Almost as if Games Workshop just did it for a quick cash grab with no solid plan.
but they've had like two years of abject failure to figure out a plan. Its just bizarre that they made a whole codex for a single five man kit, and then theyre setting this one up like it's just another primaris marine cash gra-
oh.
yeah, ok, it makes sense now. It's just another primaris marine cash grab.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 19:11:17
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Assuming intercessors get the same special issue ammunition presented in the current index they are going to go from zeroes to heroes. At 18 points you will have a model who can choose to have a 36 inch range rapid fire 1 s4 ap-2 weapon (kraken) or the super deadly 30 inch rapid fire 1 wounding on 2s ap - 1 weapon. This a huge jump in their killing ability. Like for 18 points a model that is actually scary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 19:19:15
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Tibs Ironblood wrote:Assuming intercessors get the same special issue ammunition presented in the current index they are going to go from zeroes to heroes. At 18 points you will have a model who can choose to have a 36 inch range rapid fire 1 s4 ap-2 weapon (kraken) or the super deadly 30 inch rapid fire 1 wounding on 2s ap - 1 weapon. This a huge jump in their killing ability. Like for 18 points a model that is actually scary.
GW aint gonna leave them anywhere near that price tag. Assume, like all things DW, like a 50% markup.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 19:34:44
Subject: Re:Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Well, I had gone insane and got most stuff on the last big release of DW way back when.
Now we stick Primarus guys into the mix.
It will feel like deploying an armored Ratling and Ogryn army.
Well, looking forward to a reason to field the Xenos killers.
I almost have my Greyfax model almost painted, Deathwatch may be a logical pairing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 19:42:31
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Reivers match fairly well with primaris Marines aesthetic and fluff wise but the rest seem like complete anathema to the DW fantasy of a specialized, highly equipped commando unit.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 19:47:17
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Aren73 wrote:Going by the price and number of pages...I doubt Harlequins will get anything more than in the index, other than the usual artefacts, strategems etc.
I was hoping that they'd be able to field one or two more units from craftworlds but I guess it's just the dudes we have now.
At least the models are nice.
I was hoping to see the option to potentially take Eldar and Dark Eldar flyers as part of the army, replacing the <<Asuryani>> and <<Drukhari>> keywords with <<Harlequin>>. While they were at it also do the same with Craftworld Heavy Support options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 20:21:01
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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the_scotsman wrote:Reivers match fairly well with primaris Marines aesthetic and fluff wise but the rest seem like complete anathema to the DW fantasy of a specialized, highly equipped commando unit.
How? Primaris are actually nearly 1:1 equivalents of existing DW stuff, with the exception of bikes every DW unit has direct Primaris lookalike. Really, all DW Primaris need to shine (especially Reivers) is GW firing Phil Kelly and giving the book to someone who will realize they have second arm that can hold a melee weapon, plus addition of a few options for said weapons, done...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 21:46:29
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Phil Kelly has been background only for ages, hasn't he?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 22:20:14
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Irbis wrote:the_scotsman wrote:Reivers match fairly well with primaris Marines aesthetic and fluff wise but the rest seem like complete anathema to the DW fantasy of a specialized, highly equipped commando unit.
How? Primaris are actually nearly 1:1 equivalents of existing DW stuff, with the exception of bikes every DW unit has direct Primaris lookalike. Really, all DW Primaris need to shine (especially Reivers) is GW firing Phil Kelly and giving the book to someone who will realize they have second arm that can hold a melee weapon, plus addition of a few options for said weapons, done...
Deathwatch (opposed to regular marines, here) are an army of individually specialized veterans, sold to the collector as the most completely customizable marine force out there. Every guy has access to a full range of gear, allowing you to personalize every marine. in their fluff, each marine is from a distinct chapter, and when the army was released, it was released with a boxed game packaged with miniatures designed to exemplify that fantasy: The A-team band of distinct heroes, all with different personalities, appearances and fighting styles, fighting as a unit in a kill team.
In game, obviously, that amounted to jackall, as the 7th ed 40k rules for the DWO models were the most hilariously pointless thing you could possibly conceive of, with a level of point inefficiency to a degree that an 8 year old equipping his marines with random gear would almost certainly have come up with a less useless squad.
But that, at least, was the concept behind the deathwatch. The way they were supposed to work.
Primaris marines have approximately the level of individuality and customizability as Tyranids. 1 sarge can take a (usually fixed) weapon, everybody else picks one weapon and theyre all equipped with that. They all look identical. They don't have any individual weapon customization at all.
You might as well release a Black Templars army with new units full of highly logical edgy atheist marines who wear purple armor and hate swords, trusting only in advanced technology and psychic prowess to save them. "But they're still marines! They mesh perfectly with the Black templars!"
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 22:54:59
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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You have the wrong Death organisation there.
From what I remember of Tyranids that's actually less customisation. That's kind of impressive making an army less customisable than faceless aliens.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 23:06:20
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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pm713 wrote:You have the wrong Death organisation there.
From what I remember of Tyranids that's actually less customisation. That's kind of impressive making an army less customisable than faceless aliens.
Yep, edited. GW got me with their incredibly repetitive naming conventions again.
"no, you're thinking of the OTHER Raven-themed black space marine chapter that uses stealth tactics and has their own unique rules in the game."
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 23:12:07
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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the_scotsman wrote:pm713 wrote:You have the wrong Death organisation there.
From what I remember of Tyranids that's actually less customisation. That's kind of impressive making an army less customisable than faceless aliens.
Yep, edited. GW got me with their incredibly repetitive naming conventions again.
"no, you're thinking of the OTHER Raven-themed black space marine chapter that uses stealth tactics and has their own unique rules in the game."
I don't know what you mean. GW doesn't have any silly naming conventions. Like a murdering dreadnought with Murderclaws and the Murderlust rule found on Omnicide called the Murderfang.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/04/30 23:58:45
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Lethal Lhamean
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Vorian wrote:Phil Kelly has been background only for ages, hasn't he?
For several years now. Irbis just has this ridiculous hard on for Phil Kelly and can't seem to stop himself name checking him in every post, no matter how little sense it makes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 01:04:53
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Imateria wrote:Vorian wrote:Phil Kelly has been background only for ages, hasn't he?
For several years now. Irbis just has this ridiculous hard on for Phil Kelly and can't seem to stop himself name checking him in every post, no matter how little sense it makes.
He had involvement with the 7th edition Eldar codex supposedly. Wouldn't shock me a bit.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 01:42:05
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 02:03:26
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
It's not like GW is averse to making stuff up just to sell it. I just want a Great Harlequin so the army has someone whose actually meant to be a general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 02:05:21
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
One thing they are missing is weapon option for death jesters. You use to be able to equip them with several heavy weapons.
You could also equip troops with 2 pistols or 2 close combat weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 02:29:40
Subject: Re:Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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I hope they will make a Great Harlequin to release but I am not holding out high hopes. GW might just make it a stat line increase to a regular Harlequin. Of course they could even do the minimum effort approach and make no real new model options compared to the last Codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 03:20:34
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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Wishlist time!
I'd like to see: Great Harlequin, gun options for death jesters, Mimes, Special character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 03:22:15
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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cuda1179 wrote:Wishlist time!
I'd like to see: Great Harlequin, gun options for death jesters, Mimes, Special character.
They kinda had one from 7th edition, which was the Death Jester from that Deathwatch/Harlequin set that had nothing special besides getting Shrouded. Not exactly a bad bonus, but nothing worth remembering for the most part.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 03:23:56
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
if we're talking models they could take in 2nd ed, we're missing the Avatar, Mimes, Master Mime, Vyper, and Dreadnought (wraithlord) which could all be taken in harlequin armies.
harlequin warlocks are shadowseers.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 03:50:58
Subject: Re:Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Harlequins aren't getting new models (unless you count the webway gate), so best get used to that. They've got 3 plastic character models (more than some factions), a Troops box, transport, bikes and a hvy support. I really don't see them adding something new (we would have seen it by now), so we'd better get used to just specific rules and strategems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 03:58:31
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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the_scotsman wrote:gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
if we're talking models they could take in 2nd ed, we're missing the Avatar, Mimes, Master Mime, Vyper, and Dreadnought (wraithlord) which could all be taken in harlequin armies.
harlequin warlocks are shadowseers.
What did Mimes do in particular? You have Shadowseers for Psyker support, the Troupe Master as a buffing guy, then Death Jesters as range support and Solitaires as just combat dudes.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 04:42:16
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:the_scotsman wrote:gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
if we're talking models they could take in 2nd ed, we're missing the Avatar, Mimes, Master Mime, Vyper, and Dreadnought (wraithlord) which could all be taken in harlequin armies.
harlequin warlocks are shadowseers.
What did Mimes do in particular? You have Shadowseers for Psyker support, the Troupe Master as a buffing guy, then Death Jesters as range support and Solitaires as just combat dudes.
Mimes were infiltrators scout types.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 04:42:50
Subject: Re:Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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bullyboy wrote:Harlequins aren't getting new models (unless you count the webway gate), so best get used to that. They've got 3 plastic character models (more than some factions), a Troops box, transport, bikes and a hvy support. I really don't see them adding something new (we would have seen it by now), so we'd better get used to just specific rules and strategems.
A HQ isn't exactly asking for much though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 04:51:42
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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clodax66 wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:the_scotsman wrote:gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
if we're talking models they could take in 2nd ed, we're missing the Avatar, Mimes, Master Mime, Vyper, and Dreadnought (wraithlord) which could all be taken in harlequin armies.
harlequin warlocks are shadowseers.
What did Mimes do in particular? You have Shadowseers for Psyker support, the Troupe Master as a buffing guy, then Death Jesters as range support and Solitaires as just combat dudes.
Mimes were infiltrators scout types.
And Master Mimes had better stealth than Callidus assassins — they have a particularly annoying habit of leaving calling cards inside time-locked, void&stasis sealed vaults, usually addressed to the person that opens the vault rather than whoever actually owns it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 05:07:26
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Despite the Harlequins' agility and acrobatics, I think GW are focusing less on that kind of supernatural stuff. The Solitaire was really the only one that had it in the last Harlequin Codex with its Blitz rule allowing travel through all terrain even normally impassable ones. In story terms, it was explained as supernatural feats of agility like running up sheer vertical walls or appearing inside locked and sealed bunkers, and the implication was that was part of the tradeoff they got in return for being a Solitaire and having their soul forfeit to Slaanesh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 05:31:14
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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clodax66 wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:the_scotsman wrote:gungo wrote:There really is very few new models harlequins have access to in lore. What are they missing just the MIMES? Maybe warlocks...they could possibly create some named high avatar and some giant stage caravan heavy support flyer. That’s about it.
if we're talking models they could take in 2nd ed, we're missing the Avatar, Mimes, Master Mime, Vyper, and Dreadnought (wraithlord) which could all be taken in harlequin armies.
harlequin warlocks are shadowseers.
What did Mimes do in particular? You have Shadowseers for Psyker support, the Troupe Master as a buffing guy, then Death Jesters as range support and Solitaires as just combat dudes.
Mimes were infiltrators scout types.
That's...something I wouldn't mind if they got. Would give pure Harlequins a way to screen.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 08:39:33
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Got my White Dwarf through the door yesterday.
Webway Portal? £25. Really. £25 for what looks to be a decent sized piece of terrain. YMMV, but I think that's a pretty decent price point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/01 12:16:53
Subject: Deathwatch and Harlequins Information / leaks rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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the_scotsman wrote:Deathwatch (opposed to regular marines, here) are an army of individually specialized veterans, sold to the collector as the most completely customizable marine force out there. Every guy has access to a full range of gear, allowing you to personalize every marine. in their fluff, each marine is from a distinct chapter, and when the army was released, it was released with a boxed game packaged with miniatures designed to exemplify that fantasy: The A-team band of distinct heroes, all with different personalities, appearances and fighting styles, fighting as a unit in a kill team.
Eh, you can do pretty much the same thing with Primaris, especially seeing terribad DW rules usually mean they are only seen with bolters and frag cannons, anyway. Give Primaris ability to take a melee weapon and you're 95% these as current DW rules stand. It wouldn't be unprecedented, even, DW veterans have access to a lot of melee weapons despite their box being rather sparse in that regard.
Vorian wrote:Phil Kelly has been background only for ages, hasn't he?
No. He wrote both Deathwatch books (well, one was with Cruddace, but the other is on him) with terrible rules* in 7th edition, and is responsible for the mess that was Eldar 6th edition book, then even greater mess when he buffed what was borderline OP into stratosphere writing Eldar 7th edition. Really, he always seem to produce terribly bad rules, unless it's Eldar, then they will be broken in all sorts of ways. His fluff is just as bad, Kelly's Tau series is one BL series I can honestly, 100% sure say was worse than most fanfiction. It was literally dud after dud after dud, with Farsight, all on his own, killing like a billion Imperial soldiers in last one (and that is not an exaggeration).
*beyond terrible, in fact, 7th edition DW faq written by him introduced two petty nerfs that broke both precedent established in Codex SM and wargear on the model, just so he could make already bad army even worse.
Really, if there is one person I wouldn't mind leaving from GW, it's him. I wonder if he even understands the rules of the game he writes for (besides making his pet faction OP so he can win lunch break matches) - Warhammer Community once published IG list he wrote for one of their live games and it was so full of errors player with it would be laughed out of game store...
Imateria wrote:For several years now. Irbis just has this ridiculous hard on for Phil Kelly and can't seem to stop himself name checking him in every post, no matter how little sense it makes.
I am sorry that unlike you I have reading comprehension and I am capable of reading, in Kelly's own words in interviews, what exactly he was working on. Have you tried turning your brain on and do the same?
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