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Seems like cleaning out old stock to me.

As somebody who backs a lot of CMON campaigns I can say SMOG: Rise of Moloch is better than most, so you may want to check it out if the miniatures appeal to you at all.

ya. Seams like the end of clearing out the warehouse. I'd buy a bloodrage all in to get all the extras.

I wonder how they're going to set up pledges so they don't 'oversell' stuff that's limited?

There's certainly a few bit's i'd be interested in, but I don't want to have to spend on digital art books or other odds and sods to get them (and what will the shipping look like?)

Oh man, that is very interesting. I recently bought HATE second hand and was blown away by the miniature quality. I might have to pick up some of those extras.
I also still need bloodrage...

How was Rising Sun once everything shook out? I remember being tempted, but my funds at the time forced me to miss it. Was the game itself actually good?

If you liked Blood Rage or Chaos in the old world you'd like Rising Sun. It's a different take as it's more about alliances and breaking them but similar zone control concept as above.

Game's good, but it depends on your gaming group. It's a hybrid game, so won't work for the "short game, no conflict" Eurogamers, but also won't work for the "why aren't monsters the most powerful units on the board" Ameritrashers. Also, if you have someone in your group who doesn't play strategically (frex, you need players who understand that allying with someone is not always a good thing), the game will be a predictable loss for the other players.

Hopefully they institute some sort of maximum number of items any one backer can buy so some goblin doesn't buy all the Blood Rage Wolfman expansions, etc.
I'm curious if they will require you to do a base pledge for the game you want extras from our if it truly a ala carte ordering setup...

I sounds like from the FB page that there will be bundles per game for the old stuff. No piecemeal.

So the exact reasons we didn't buy last time will apply this time, too? Cool.


PS: Rising Sun was a well-sculpted game, decently cast, with mechanics best described as "more firm" and "more detailed" than Reaper Bones.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
If you liked Blood Rage or Chaos in the old world you'd like Rising Sun.

Definitely not true for everyone!
A lot of people in my gaming surroundings (me included) love Blood Rage, but Rising Sun fell pretty flat for a lot of us. Some people liked it, and some loved it. And lots of people who didn't like BR loved RS.
So it's definitely not as easy as that ...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


PS: Rising Sun was a well-sculpted game, decently cast, with mechanics best described as "more firm" and "more detailed" than Reaper Bones.

Eh, what?

 Alpharius wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


PS: Rising Sun was a well-sculpted game, decently cast, with mechanics best described as "more firm" and "more detailed" than Reaper Bones.

Eh, what?

ER, huh?

...You implying someone was seriously buying Rising Sun for the game? I read an implied wink into that post...and every post where someone pledged in a later CMON campaign for the "game". I mean, game. Game. CMON game. See, I can say it with a straight face.

The zone control games from Eric Lang are hands down the best thing he does. Lots of people buy those for the game first.

If NewTruthNeomaxim wanted to know how the minis were he could have stated that as lots of us, as Bob stated, buy things not for the game they're intended for.

Perhaps I need to use more emojis. Having waited until his question had been seriously answered, I didn't expect my jest to be taken seriously. This is Dakka, after all.

My confusion was with your description of the ‘mechanics’ and the comparison then shifting to Reaper Bones.

Sorry?

But then I’m sure it made sense inside your head?

It does make a little more sense now.

Thanks?

Are... they actually kicstarting anything? Or is it just old merch?

sounds like its some pdfs (existing art assembled in to art books so whether they might have to write some text too I don't know)

Music as well.

 Alpharius wrote:
My confusion was with your description of the ‘mechanics’ and the comparison then shifting to Reaper Bones.

Sorry?

But then I’m sure it made sense inside your head?

It does make a little more sense now.

Thanks?

The common wisdom being that no one really pledges a CMoN. Project based on the game, but on the pile of minis.

That is...not entirely true?

Any way, with nothing new of note this time around, I think many will give this a pass?

And ever since CMON abandoned their best two games, I’m kinda OK with them...not doing so well.

Maybe it will incentivize them to sell those IPs who will then get them back on the market.

Dare to dream!

I'd be interested in the Green Horde Rat King pack or whatever it's called, but shipping costs and whatever base pledge you might need. Ehhh.

Zombicide 2.0 I'm not sure about, either. I'm glad now that I never bought the locally very expensive later Seasons as a gift for my brother*, but the €/$ isn't what it used to be and shipping is getting sooo bad. I should've pledged for the original campaign.

*we're still not done with a single Black Plague campaign so far

ecurtz wrote:
Seems like cleaning out old stock to me.

As somebody who backs a lot of CMON campaigns I can say SMOG: Rise of Moloch is better than most, so you may want to check it out if the miniatures appeal to you at all.

In what way? You've got me curious. I've only been backing campaigns where the game looks genuinely appealing (Project: Elite - surprisingly after watching some gameplay videos of 1e and CMON 2e) or the models look like excellent Warhammer Proxies (HATE). I didn't look into SMOG because of the large CMON buy-in and Steampunk isn't usualy my bag thematically.

I liked Rising Sun a lot, but it's longer than Blood Rage and if anything slightly more opaque as to who is winning at any given time. At least with Blood Rage, if someone gets a sneaky and unexpected win, you can at least see with hindsight that they planned it.

These are quibbles akin to the notion that the Bugatti Veyron is not quite as responsive on corners as you might expect for a car that costs as much as a modest stately home in Yorkshire though. Rising Sun is still a superb game, and different enough to Blood Rage that I am happy to own both.

I am not convinced that you need any expansions for Rising Sun unless you love the minis, though, whereas Blood Rage really benefits from the KS-added monsters.

 Azazelx wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
Seems like cleaning out old stock to me.

As somebody who backs a lot of CMON campaigns I can say SMOG: Rise of Moloch is better than most, so you may want to check it out if the miniatures appeal to you at all.

In what way? You've got me curious. I've only been backing campaigns where the game looks genuinely appealing (Project: Elite - surprisingly after watching some gameplay videos of 1e and CMON 2e) or the models look like excellent Warhammer Proxies (HATE). I didn't look into SMOG because of the large CMON buy-in and Steampunk isn't usualy my bag thematically.

If you don't like the theme you're probably better off with something else, but pros for me were: Two player, asymmetric but pretty well balanced (a couple of the scenarios aren't), quick playing, fairly strategic without being bogged down with a lot of fiddly bits, nice art and design. It's not the world's greatest skirmish game, but compared to the other CMON big box of minis games I felt that it played better than most. If you have a regular group with enough people for Blood Rage or Dogs of War those are objectively better games, but I often don't so 2p is a big factor for me.

 Binabik15 wrote:

Zombicide 2.0 I'm not sure about, either. I'm glad now that I never bought the locally very expensive later Seasons as a gift for my brother*, but the €/$ isn't what it used to be and shipping is getting sooo bad. I should've pledged for the original campaign.

I've got pretty much everything Zombicide except for the S1 KS exclusives, and though we haven't played it in awhile, the idea of a 2e coming along without being compatible with the mounds of stuff I already have isn't exactly sppealing.


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ecurtz wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
Seems like cleaning out old stock to me.

As somebody who backs a lot of CMON campaigns I can say SMOG: Rise of Moloch is better than most, so you may want to check it out if the miniatures appeal to you at all.

In what way? You've got me curious. I've only been backing campaigns where the game looks genuinely appealing (Project: Elite - surprisingly after watching some gameplay videos of 1e and CMON 2e) or the models look like excellent Warhammer Proxies (HATE). I didn't look into SMOG because of the large CMON buy-in and Steampunk isn't usualy my bag thematically.

If you don't like the theme you're probably better off with something else, but pros for me were: Two player, asymmetric but pretty well balanced (a couple of the scenarios aren't), quick playing, fairly strategic without being bogged down with a lot of fiddly bits, nice art and design. It's not the world's greatest skirmish game, but compared to the other CMON big box of minis games I felt that it played better than most. If you have a regular group with enough people for Blood Rage or Dogs of War those are objectively better games, but I often don't so 2p is a big factor for me.

Thanks for that. I might go and take a look. CMON launch so many campaigns these days that I'm mostly happy to let anything that doesn't immediately catch my eye just wash over me and pass. I'll take a peek now.

 Alpharius wrote:
That is...not entirely true?

Any way, with nothing new of note this time around, I think many will give this a pass?

And ever since CMON abandoned their best two games, I’m kinda OK with them...not doing so well.

Maybe it will incentivize them to sell those IPs who will then get them back on the market.

Dare to dream!

Which games are you referring to? Also, doesn't CMON produce boxed games, rather than ongoing product lines where 'support' is essentially a drip-feed of product?

Nurglitch wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
That is...not entirely true?

Any way, with nothing new of note this time around, I think many will give this a pass?

And ever since CMON abandoned their best two games, I’m kinda OK with them...not doing so well.

Maybe it will incentivize them to sell those IPs who will then get them back on the market.

Dare to dream!

Which games are you referring to? Also, doesn't CMON produce boxed games, rather than ongoing product lines where 'support' is essentially a drip-feed of product?

Dark Age and Wrath of Kings.

Well I expect the time machine thing to be an absolute cluster f for CMON based off what they were posting in Facebook.

Obviously limited quantities -- people were expecting that.

But apparently if you want KS exclusives for things that are one of the big all in pledges you just put $1 down and then see if you can get one in the pledge manager--first come first served. I'm not even sure how to respond to that and hope it's just some miss communication between one internal group and the Social Media team.